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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:19 AM
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Attorney General nominee Eric Holder opposes RKBA so he would be in heaven if H.R. 1022 passes.
H.R. 1022: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

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`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

H.R. 1022 gives the Attorney General unilateral authority to ban the most popular semiautomatic firearms used by 80+ million gun-owners.

If a bill with a provision like that passes and Obama signs it, IMO that would cost we Dems many seats in the House in 2010.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:48 AM
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1. Holder signed the amicus curiae brief claiming a collective rights interpretation of the 2nd.
BRIEF FOR FORMER DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICIALS AS AMICI CURIAE
SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT

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The decision was also unwise. Recognition of an expansive individual right to keep and bear arms for private purposes will make it more difficult for the government to defend present and future firearms laws. With gun violence continuing to plague the United States, this Court should adhere to the position it staked out nearly 70 years ago in Miller and construe the Second Amendment to protect a right to keep and bear arms only to the extent the exercise of such a right is related to the “preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.” 307 U.S. at 178.


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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:41 AM
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2. Rather more than the 94 AWB

On reading the text, that's not the only change to the 94 AWB- private sales basically go away.

But what I really love is this bit of orwellian doublespeak-

and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.

Define 'sporting', then? *snort*
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 02:31 PM
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5. And also define...
And also define what makes a firearm "particularly suitable for sporting purposes"?

The thing that makes a firearm particularly suitable for sporting purposes is its ability to shoot a projectile. Everything else is related to cosmetics or durability.

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WWFZD Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:36 PM
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6. JHC that's funny
If I didn't know better I might have thought that verbiage had been puked up from the bowels of the Patriot Acts "and other purposes".
I'm keeping one good eye on this garbage. I voted for him but Obama didn't win this election by appealing to only the left.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 01:34 PM
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3. I do find it particularly charming
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 01:34 PM by iverglas

to see one Democrat saying that another Democrat, with whom s/he disagrees on the interpretation of a provision of their common Constitution, "opposes" the thing they interpret differently.

Echoes of "anti-American" ...


Reasonable people of goodwill do disagree from time to time. Name-calling is commonly an indication of unreasonableness and ill will.



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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 03:40 PM
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7. You must bear a lot of ill will then.
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 03:41 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
What name calling are you referring to?

David
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 01:43 PM
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4. A suburban Philly area police Chief said it best," Assault weapons are what
we say they are."

Don't confuse me with "facts", and stop bitching about those silly "rights" you claim to have. We know what's best for you, and if you don't agree, look out.

Sorry, Obama - I have not said a word against anything he has done so far, but I'll look into this further and try to change your mind.

mark
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 09:51 PM
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8. The bill will never make it past congress...
if you remember, the original AWB of 94 was (esp by comparison to this one) a watered down version that barely passed in a democratic controlled congress. After the '94 elections, I doubt they would be more (most likely less) willing to consider gun control laws.
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:53 AM
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9. Not the same people voting on it this time N/T
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