Cedar Hills teacher tries to give student a 9mm handgun (AZ)

[davepc]

When Kristine and David Patrykus' 12-year-old son comes home from Cedar Hills School, they expect him to have homework. On Feb. 25, he carried an offer of a 9 mm handgun from his teacher.

"I'm absolutely shocked that she offered the gun," Kristine said. "Of course I was upset."

On Feb. 25, fifth- through eighth-grade language arts teacher Germaine Brockett offered the gun to a group of students in the class, Kristine said. The following day, Kristine called Cedar Hills Principal Brad Ellico to discuss the situation.

"He said he was shocked by it as much as we were," Kristine said. The parents said that Ellico told them that he had sent the teacher an e-mail regarding the incident.

The next day, Feb. 27, Brockett called David to ask if his son was allowed to have the handgun. David told her no and hung up the phone. "I feel if he (Ellico) had gone to her and said the family was upset, she never would have called," David said.

According to the Mohave County Sheriff's Office, Ellico on Monday said he was aware of the situation. He told the deputy that he was investigating the incident and it would be taken care of.

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http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1&articleID=30153

[jody]

1. Why would a teacher do that? It sounds too stupid for any teacher but such things do happen. n/t

[panader0]

2. I think it was foreplay.

First the gun, then the holster.

[TWiley]

3. Wouldn't guns make the school safer?

Maybe that is what she was thinking.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. Who has ever proposed the idea that arming middle school students would be a good idea?

[TWiley]

7. If everyone at the school was armed, would it be safer dave?

Remember, the gun always has to be loaded, easy to reach and easy to get a hold of. Would the school be safer with all those guns laying around?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. You are the only person I know that has proposed that idiotic idea.

[yay]

13. I think it's just a poor attempt....

To discredit the mindset of people who support the idea of concealed carry at collage.

I do think giving teachers the option to carry wouldn't be a bad idea, but that's for a different thread.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. This idiot is talking about middle school kids though.

[TWiley]

15. No Dave, you did not understand the question.

I am curious to know if you feel that there is a level at which increasing the number of guns will cause a decrease in safety. As I know your opinion is "more guns = more safety" I was only wondering if there was a top limit on your thesis.

[TheWraith]

16. Any time a gun is in the possession of someone who's not responsible enough to use it

Then it decreases safety. It doesn't matter whether there's one gun or one hundred.

[Taitertots]

18. Simple minded straw man

No one advocates middle school students carry concealed weapons. It is illegal, and obviously not a good idea. Why don't you try to attack a position someone actually holds.

[TWiley]

19. Evidently, the middle school teacher advocates it.

I thought we were guessing why a teacher would do something like that. Evidently the Middle School Teacher did advocate middle school students carry weapons. Otherwise, a gun would not have been offered to the student by a teacher. I am truly sorry that you did not pick up on that fact.

Now, instead of attacking me with your conjecture, try answering the question. "Why would a middle school teacher offer a gun to a student"? They are "advocating" the practice by default are they not?

[Taitertots]

22. No one advocated the student carry it anywhere

If you could read, the teacher never made any mention of the student carrying it anywhere. I am truly sorry that you didn't pick up that fact. The teacher advocated the student own a gun, and reportedly made no mention of illegal behavior. The teacher called his parents and asked if it would be alright before even showing the gun to him.

Giving someone a gun is not advocating them to carry it. It is not default that by having a gun you must carry it. That only exists in the fantasies of the simple minded.

"Why would a middle school teacher offer a gun to a student"? To engage in the sport shooting, hunting, or legal self defense. I had guns when I was 12 for all those reasons.

[TWiley]

28. Give it to the student so .... it can lay right there and not move?

[Taitertots]

33. Give it to the student so...

They can enjoy firearms the same way the millions of other people who enjoy them without carrying do.

[TWiley]

41. How do you enjoy it while never carrying it?

Does it sit on the table and get admired? One could argue that simply picking it up would constitute carrying it.

[Taitertots]

48. The same way the millions of people who don't CCW do

Carrying, not in the literal picking it up sense, but the legal definition in a firearms context.


Millions of people are enjoying their guns while not carrying them. We sport shoot, hunt, and some do sit them on a table and admire them. Maybe it is not your thing, but there are plenty of ways that people enjoy firearms without carrying them.

[TWiley]

54. I am, and have been, talking about the literal picking it up sense.

Eighth grade children cannot get CCW permits, so I did not suspect that it needed to be clarified. Just because someone does not have a permit does not mean that they will not carry it around.

[yay]

72. And just because they can carry it around does not mean they will.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. My thesis? I'd love to see a link to me saying that more guns in anyones hand=more safety.

[TWiley]

29. so, more guns in anyones hand = less safety, or more danger?

which is it dave? try to state your position clearly. Is it one .... or the other?

this is dave the self-defense-shooting-example poster isn't it?

[Taitertots]

32. It is neither, Duh

Only a fool would think those are the only options

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

35. I have never taken a position on either.

[TWiley]

37. Think outside the box dave. Which is the correct answer?

There are only four possible choices with two options dave. Which do you prefer?

A and not B
B and not A
Both A and B
Neither A nor B

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

42. Let's try this again you accused me of a belief that I never espoused and now you want me..

to answer a question concerning a belief I have never had. I believe you may need medication.

David

[TWiley]

52. Clarify your position then Dave. I am tired of asking.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

56. Why didn't you just ask what my position was instead of trying to state my position for me?

My position on this issue is, I believe it was wrong for this teacher to bring a handgun to school to give to a middle school student.

David

[TWiley]

61. your tactics never change dave

blurr, blow smoke, strawman, red herring, distract, and distort. when someone gets tired of your style, you declare "victory"

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

64. I refused to play your rigged little game and now you are pouting about it. Grow up.

[TWiley]

68. No dave, you refused to discuss a topic like an adult ...now go away

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

76. You got your ass handed to you...deal with it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. So again where is the link of my citing that as my thesis?

[TWiley]

55. You are not that important to me anymore dave.

I have sincerely lost any desire to try to have an adult conversation with you.

good bye dave.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

57. I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it smells like VICTORY.

[TWiley]

59. dave, you won nothing because you contributed nothing.

you just spoke in circles like you normally do until the other person gets tired of listening to you. Some victory. Most adults consider it being ignored.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

63. I refused to play your rigged little game and now you are pouting about it.

I treated you with far more respect than you treated me with, I even answered your question when you finally asked it. Is there anything else I can help you with?

David

[TWiley]

69. no thanks dave, lets make this the last discussion we ever have.

trying to discuss anything with you has proven to be unproductive. you posting this same nonsense in several places is proof of that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

75. I've quite enjoyed this discussion, I look forward to our next one.

[TWiley]

86. While I have enjoyed kicking your ass, it does feel morally wrong.

It feels a bit like how picking on a retarded child must feel. I would never want to do that, and never have, but conversations with you seem to have that peculiar flavor to them dave. I have tried to explain simple concepts to mentally challanged children before, and it is always important to speak calmly and simply. Please do not confuse my generosity with weakness dave. You would be wrong.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

88. You got your ass kicked just go away and quit kicking this to the top.

I'm very clear on how weak you are.

David

[TWiley]

87. uh, by the way duh duh duh dave ....

here dave, why not look up the word "offer then"

of⋅fer   /ˈɔfər, ˈɒfər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA
–verb (used with object) 1. to present for acceptance or rejection; proffer: He offered me a cigarette.
2. to propose or put forward for consideration: to offer a suggestion.
3. to propose or volunteer (to do something): She offered to accompany me.
4. to make a show of intention (to do something): We did not offer to go first.
5. to give, make, or promise: She offered no response.
6. to present solemnly as an act of worship or devotion, as to God, a deity or a saint; sacrifice.
7. to present for sale: He offered the painting to me at a reduced price.
8. to tender or bid as a price: to offer ten dollars for a radio.
9. to attempt or threaten to do, engage in, or inflict: to offer battle.
10. to put forth; exert: to offer resistance.
11. to present to sight or notice.
12. to introduce or present for exhibition or performance.
13. to render (homage, thanks, etc.).
14. to present or volunteer (oneself) to someone as a spouse.

Holy shit dave, it uses the word propose all over the place in there. Now be a good boy and apologize. It will be good for your soul

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

90. You said she wanted to arm kids at school, show me the quote.

[TWiley]

20. The school teacher in the story did Dave.

[Taitertots]

23. So you have an inside connection?

It must be that you have some sort of inside connection on this story to produce all the information you conjured up for it.

Where in the article does the teacher mention giving the gun to be carried at school?
Where in the article does the teacher mention the gun be carried anywhere?
Where in the article does the teacher mention that the student do anything outside of the legal and safe uses of firearms?

It doesn't because you just made that up.

[TWiley]

26. Gee trots, you see nothing even remotely wrong here do you?

So, is it a good idea to give a middle school child a 9mm hand gun or isn't it? I happen to think it is a bad idea. But please do elaborate on your reasoning here.

[Taitertots]

34. There is nothing wrong with it

I had guns when I was in middle school. My dad, mom, and grandparents all did also. All my friends had guns before high school. No one got hurt by any of us. We all went hunting where we carried openly in the woods alone, no one was hurt. To my knowledge none of them ever carried their guns illegally concealed.


What is not alright is for them to carry them concealed. Which is good because no one advocated that at all.

[TWiley]

38. Good answer tots

It is easier to understand your position without those porkie pine quills. Typing is an inexact science, and it is easy to miss what someone else is trying to say. Thank you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

25. I missed that quote please link to it.

[TWiley]

27. "Teacher wanted to give a 9mm pistol to student"

How is this offer not the same as "arming a student"? Where are you coming from anyway? One post you say it is a bad idea to give guns to middle schoolers, and now you seem to indicate that it is a perfectly natural thing to do. So, which is it dave?

Even a fire-hydrant-psychic could find that bit of information dave, it is right in the title of this thread.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. You are the one that proposed arming middle schoolers at school, not me.

I'm personally a fan of following the law. You see it's illegal for middle school student's to own guns. In most state's it is illegal for anyone other than law enforcement to carry a concealed weapon on school grounds. If you have a big desire to change those things then contact your state legislature.

David

[TWiley]

39. No dave, the teacher proposed it. This is why we are discussing it.

And yes, it is generally illegal (and also not a good idea) for children between 9 and 13 to own a 9mm pistol. I don't understand why this teacher was offering it to the students. If she wanted to ditch it, then she could have sold it. Whoever was the registered owner of that particular handgun is probably relieved that it did not wind up in a childs lunch pail.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

43. I missed the teachers proposal could you link to it with her quotes.

[TWiley]

70. dave, i missed the quote that says she did not offer a gun to students.

would you get that for me please? And, I will only accept it if it is a direct quote from her dead grandmother.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

78. I'm not the one that accused her of making a proposal to arm middle school students, you did.

[TWiley]

85. here you go dave

duh dave quote: "I missed the teachers proposal, could you post a link to it?"

sure dave. Please read the following information carefully. I think it is possible that you have attention deficit disorder, so please read it more than once if necessary. I will begin with word definations.

pro⋅pos⋅al  –noun

1. the act of offering or suggesting something for acceptance, adoption, or performance.
2. a plan that is proposed

Now count how many times the word "offer" is used in the story dave. Yes, you may use your fingers.
(hint: there are three (3) dave)

When Kristine and David Patrykus' 12-year-old son comes home from Cedar Hills School, they expect him to have homework. On Feb. 25, he carried an offer of a 9 mm handgun from his teacher.

"I'm absolutely shocked that she offered the gun," Kristine said. "Of course I was upset."

On Feb. 25, fifth- through eighth-grade language arts teacher Germaine Brockett offered the gun to a group of students in the class, Kristine said. The following day, Kristine called Cedar Hills Principal Brad Ellico to discuss the situation.

"He said he was shocked by it as much as we were," Kristine said. The parents said that Ellico told them that he had sent the teacher an e-mail regarding the incident.

The next day, Feb. 27, Brockett called David to ask if his son was allowed to have the handgun. David told her no and hung up the phone. "I feel if he (Ellico) had gone to her and said the family was upset, she never would have called," David said.

Quote from the article can be found here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I will accept your apology to me now dave. You are obviously wrong ..... again.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

89. You said she wanted to arm kids at school, show me the quote.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. That's not a quote from the teacher.

[TWiley]

40. Cedar Hills teacher tries to give student a 9mm handgun (AZ)

Quote: On Feb. 25, fifth- through eighth-grade language arts teacher Germaine Brockett offered the gun to a group of students in the class. End Quote

The title is from the O.P. as is the quoted text dave.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

44. Again that is not a quote from the teacher.

[TWiley]

60. You get a quote from the teacher dave.

to my knowledge there are NO quotes from the teacher.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

65. You are the one who credited her with a proposal, a quote or documentation would be necessary to...

substantiate that.

David

[pipoman]

45. Well, Dave has more patience

for bullheaded condescension than I do. The manner in which you repeatedly use his name in your sentences is not dissimilar to the way a person may talk to an ADD child. Hint, try talking respectfully to others here, even though you disagree with them, you will get more reasoned responses and you won't sound like an ass...unless of coarse you are an ass, in which case 'you can't blame an ass for being an ass'.

[TWiley]

53. well pip, your request has fallen on deaf ears by the regulars here.

I must say that there are more than a few assholes on this board. If you read all of my responses, you will notice I have been trying very hard to get a straight answer out of more than a handful of posters in this thread. I have been attacked time and time again and I still remain polite, even as I am being polite to you right now.

Dave is busy avoiding every question that I have posed with stupidity. Me "Teacher offers a gun" ..... Dave "That is not a quote from the teacher" Me: oh for fuck' sake.

It is possible, although rare, to actually engage in an intelligent discussion on this board. I have met a few who actually try to understand and respond sincerely. My experience has lead me to believe that Dave is not one of these people. My instincts tell me that you are not one of those either.

[pipoman]

67. As stated below

you started this subthread by making a fallacious statement often thrown around here in the gungeon implying someone has ever advocated arming 7th graders.

Wouldn't guns make the school safer? Maybe that is what she was thinking.

Dave asked you a question:

Who has ever proposed the idea that arming middle school students would be a good idea?

You answered with the condescending speak I am referring to, repeated your completely fallacious assertion and failed to address the question asked:

If everyone at the school was armed, would it be safer dave? Remember, the gun always has to be loaded, easy to reach and easy to get a hold of. Would the school be safer with all those guns laying around?

Then in your next post in the sub thread you quoted Dave:

As I know your opinion is "more guns = more safety" I was only wondering if there was a top limit on your thesis.

Dave responds denying he has made the statement you attributed to him and asking for a site:

My thesis? I'd love to see a link to me saying that more guns in anyones hand=more safety.

Then you respond with what appears to be what I refer to as an idiot trap, stating that Dave's position has to be one you have ascribed to him:

so, more guns in anyones hand = less safety, or more danger? which is it dave? try to state your position clearly. Is it one .... or the other? this is dave the self-defense-shooting-example poster isn't it?

Dave didn't fall for your idiot trap:

I have never taken a position on either.

You persist with your idiot trap, this time addled with nonsense (and your condescension):

Think outside the box dave. Which is the correct answer?

There are only four possible choices with two options dave. Which do you prefer?

A and not B
B and not A
Both A and B
Neither A nor B

Dave answers:

Let's try this again you accused me of a belief that I never espoused and now you want me..

to answer a question concerning a belief I have never had. I believe you may need medication.

David

Then, finally, after all your word game silliness, distortion, and accusation, you ask the question which should have been asked in the very beginning to eliminate all of this shit:

Clarify your position then Dave. I am tired of asking.

Dave answers:

My position on this issue is, I believe it was wrong for this teacher to bring a handgun to school to give to a middle school student.

and you explode into a hissy fit:

blurr, blow smoke, strawman, red herring, distract, and distort. when someone gets tired of your style, you declare "victory"

See how you appear to be the one who is instigating, asserting, and making false claims? If someone uses these tactics on you, how do you react? Further in looking at this exchange again it looks like a feeble attempt at iverglas tactics, however she can likely think circles around you.

[SsevenN]

47. Read your own quote

"On Feb. 25, he carried an offer of a 9 mm handgun from his teacher."

On Feb. 25, fifth- through eighth-grade language arts teacher Germaine Brockett offered the gun to a group of students in the class.

Before you go about attacking Dave about something he didn't say, and didn't allude to, at least read the story and understand the action in question.

jeez.

[TWiley]

58. Dave is asking for "a quote from the teacher"

As dave is not interested in discussing the story at hand, then neither am I at this point. Now live by your own criticism steve, and go find a quote from that teacher that will satisfy dave. Good luck with that one. dave is choosing a quote that does not exist to prove a point that HE brought up. Most people call that a strawman.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

66. Your strawman started in post #3, I only questioned you about it.

[TWiley]

71. Your strawman began with the typing of your first vowel

Quote" On Feb. 25, fifth- through eighth-grade language arts teacher Germaine Brockett offered the gun to a group of students in the class, Kristine said End Quote.

This is the story that everyone else ... except you dave, is discussing. Why you insist on "where is a quote from the teacher" is the strawman dave. The quote indicates that a 9mm hand gun was offered to a group of students in the class. Why not switch your position to "where does it say the gun was black" "show me a quote where the nephew of his girlfriends neighbor said the gun was black" You could go on like this all day long, and I suspect that you have done exactly that in past discssions with others unfortunate enough to have met you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. Your strawman is there for everyone to read in post #3. You didn't like being challenged on it.

My request for a quote was in response to you accusing the teacher of making a proposal to arm middle school students (strawman).

David

[Hoopla Phil]

4. Something doesn't sound right with this whole situation. I'll wait for more info to come out.

[yay]

6. interesting to say the least.

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get it.... A teacher just decides randomly to give a student a handgun?

EDIT:Ahhh ok I get it. She was offering to buy the student a gun to "break out of his shell" as a reward for being a good student. She didn't physically bring the pistol onto campus.

I'm guessing he's one of those shy teachers pet type kids and she just wanted to help "put some hair on his chest" so to speak.

I think the parents are over reacting.

[aikoaiko]

8. Any sensible person would have asked the parents first and not given the firearm directly

to the 12-year old.

[yay]

9. She didn't

She gave the kid an offer for a handgun. Not an actual gun.

[aikoaiko]

10. I misunderstood/misread it -- I thought she tried to actually give the gun to the kid.

Still, I would have asked the parents first.

[yay]

50. I think that was the idea

Give the kid an offer so he can run home and ask them. The way the parents are reacting I don't think it would have made a difference if she asked them in person or sent a singing telegram via penguin.

[Tim01]

11. Kids today have all the cool stuff in school.nt

[TheWraith]

17. What the hell is the point of that?

I'm sure there were plenty of other people who she could have given it away to who would be more responsible if that was her goal.

[Taitertots]

21. No crime was even committed

Sounds to me like some uppity over protective parents getting their panties in a twist over nothing. Self righteous jerk offs want to destroy the lively hood of someone who didn't do anything wrong, if anything was making a generous offer to them. The teacher called the next day and asked if the parents if the child could have the gun. They said no and that should have been it.

[pipoman]

46. You will be hard pressed to find

a more vocal advocate of RKBA than I, but this story, if accurate, involves a teacher who is very simply too stupid to teach children. She deserves censure at least and dismissal is probably more appropriate. Keep in mind that elementary students across the country have been suspended for drawing guns, holding their hand like a gun, talking about guns, taking a fruit knife to school in their lunch box, taking aspirin to school, and other completely harmless acts.. Any teacher who thinks it is alright to offer a semiauto (or any other) handgun to elementary students while at school is a complete moran...and for RKBA advocates to defend her actions (again assuming that the story is accurate and there isn't more to it) harms the RKBA cause IMHO.

[Taitertots]

49. I would agree with you if...

She had brought a gun into the school
She had given him a gun without parental consent
She hadn't called the parents to ask them


People who sidestep defending the RKBA are what hurts the cause far worse. We have stood down as elementary students get suspended for drawing guns, talking about guns, and making gun hand gestures. This teacher has not broken the law or any stated rules of the school, yet you want her fired.

[pipoman]

51. Again, IF this story is as written

then yes, she should be fired for being a complete imbecile. Tell me when the last time you asked the neighborhood kids or their parents if they could have a pistol? Under what conditions would you offer a pistol to an elementary aged child with or without contacting the child's parents? You say she didn't break the law. I am not advocating she be jailed, just not be entrusted with children who she obviously isn't as smart as.People loose their jobs regularly for non criminal acts, this is no different. She should loose her job for being unimaginably stupid. Furthermore if she did follow through with giving this minor a handgun, she likely would have committed a criminal act.

[TWiley]

62. That is not a quote from the teacher pip

oops, sorry. I forgot who I was and thought I was dave.

[yay]

73. She should be fired... for being nice?

She offered to buy/give a handgun for a kid in middle school, unless the article left something out it never states anywhere that she physically brought the handgun to the school. From what I can gather is all she did was give the kid an offer, so the kid could run home an ask his parents permission before giving him/them the gun.

There is nothing wrong with a child learning to shoot. Millions do every day, I myself just bought a cricket .22 for my niece who is only 2(for her 3rd birthday). Hell this kid is 12, 7th-8th grade certainly isn't "elementary".

I think people are overreacting to a harmless act.

[pipoman]

74. My mistake, 6th grade would be elementry, 7th grade is middle school

Who advocates a 9mm pistol as anyone's first gun? Had she offered a .22 or even a shotgun maybe, she offered a 9mm pistol! There is hardly any real sporting use for a 9mm, oh, yes, I suppose a person can target shoot with a 9mm, but it's primary use is a defensive weapon. Ask your firearms instructor what would be a good first gun for a 12 year old, I would guess a 9mm pistol would come somewhere between a 30-30 rifle and a .44 magnum revo...way, way down the list. This was a stupid gesture even if it was simply her way of being nice.

There is nothing wrong with a child learning to shoot.

Agreed, who starts at 12 years with a 9mm? And shouldn't that sort of be a parents job? What if the teacher invited the child go to church with her? Would that be appropriate?

[yay]

80. Well actually.

9mm isn't a bad caliber to start shooting with. Recoil in most guns is mild, ammo is inexpensive, and it (used to be) readily available. Not as cheap as 12Guage or .22lr but not bad. There's hardly any sporting use for a .22 pistol besides plinking?

Competition shooting like the ISPC and the USPSA are just as much of a "sporting purpose" as hunting and trap shooting.

Yeah, I think she was just trying to get the ball rolling. Certainly not something to lose her job over.

I do wonder what kind of pistol she had in mind?...

[pipoman]

81. I own a 9mm

you're right it isn't bad recoil or expensive ammo, it isn't (by anyone who I know) a proper gun to start a 12 year old out with. I know a few adults who have started shooting with a pistol but only after attending a class or 2. A 12 year old who has never shot before should start with a long gun not a pistol. Should only shoot under competent adult supervision, and frankly it doesn't sound like this kid's parents are shooters so where is this kid going to learn proper firearms safety? If he shows up at the local range to take an age appropriate basic firearms course I doubt they would even allow him to shoot his 9mm pistol. Were not talking about a kid who started shooting at 5 years with a BB gun, this appears to be a kid who has never shot a gun before, I doubt he is going to be ready to shoot ISPC or USPSA anytime soon. I wouldn't even comment if she had offered to get him started shooting or even offered to give him a .22 bolt action or a single shot shotgun. A 9mm handgun? She is an idiot.

This doesn't even get into the question of legality. If she bought the gun for him and gave it to him, that is, I believe, a straw purchase. You can't buy guns for ineligible people. If she was offering to give a 12 yo a pistol she already owned, I am not so sure that isn't a violation of federal law as well.

[yay]

83. I'll agree to a point.

But really the report is about vague as it can be. We really don't know all the circumstances other than the teachers offered the student a gun and the parents went "ZOMG TEACHER+GUN=EVIL!!!!". Maybe she offered to take him shooting as well, who knows. Who knows if she really offered them a 9mm in the first place. I find it kind of funny that she offered him a handgun to "practice hunting like the other boys"

I wasn't saying he's ready for ISPC or USPSA, but you said there was no "sporting" use for a 9mm.. Just wanted to correct you on that one.

[Taitertots]

79. I'm not that generous

to offer the neighborhood children guns.

She didn't give a pistol without parental consent.
She made the offer, and called within two days to ask the parents.
I have taken an under 12 year old to the range with me multiple times.
If I had excess of money and generosity I know several people who would be more than happy to have me buy their child a gun.


Around here 6th grade is middle school.

[pipoman]

82. I have taken an under 12 yo with me too,

My son and step son, both had been shooting since they were very young, attended hunter's safety and had firearms safety hammered into their heads since they were toddlers. They shot my pistols on occasion but only under my (a lifetime shooter) close supervision. To advocate giving introverted, never shot a gun before, parents don't shoot, 12 year olds 9mm pistols is completely, off the charts, idiotic IMHO.

[yay]

84. Agreed