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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:26 AM Original message |
75% Believe Constitution Guarantees Right To Own A Gun (Rasmussen) |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. gun owners should be required to join the militia - "A well regulated militia being necessary..." nt |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. What makes you think they wouldn't? |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So just males 17-45 can be gun owners? Thats how the law is now. |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Incorrect. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. they just forget about the "well-regulated militia" part ... |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The Supreme Court said otherwise, until they reverse themselves that is the law of the land. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Context is everything. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Great! Can I have a nuke? |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. No. n/t |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. That's kind of a silly question. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
95. How old are you? |
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Transmorgify (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
107. lol |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
52. it doesn't matter |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Nobody's forgetting anything. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
51. except it's not a qualifier |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
80. You do know what "militia" means in a constitutional context, right? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yes, as we had no standing army or police force when the Constit. was written.Join a 'well-organized |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I love that movie. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It's a documentary in so many ways. nt |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. and you're not jumping on him for using a term which wasn't in the |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Naa - 'well organized' is a sub-condition of "well regulated", ' well armed' and |
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Transmorgify (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
108. I can just imagine it :P |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. No, some times it's better to just kid around a bit. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Not a chance. They treat the Constitution like a salad bar. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. "the second amendment is an antique." ... Really? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. No point to repeal it. It simply doesn't apply anymore. |
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valhalla (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Try again... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. I didn't fucking say we were at war at that time. |
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valhalla (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. We were at war with the British in antiquity. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You should go back to whoever taught you US history |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. You're the one that needs a refund. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I have never said that the US was at war with England when the Constitution was written |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. DOH! |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. See post #33. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Reply #33 doesn't begin to address the depth of your misunderstanding of our history |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Really? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No, you didn't say we are at war with Britain |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Who? The Klan? Joe's Militia? The NRA? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Already answered in reply #11 by me, and by others |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Oh, yeah. Title 10. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Thomas Jefferson never owned an iPod |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Of course. The Militia of the United States, and the Militias of the several states. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. And that's why I have the "right" to buy a consumer item? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. No, militia membership is not a prerequisite for your right to buy a firearm |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Then why an amendment? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. To prohibit the government from infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Read the constitution - the reasons are right there. If you still can't figure |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. Note |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. No - freedom gives you the right to buy things. YOU brought up the militia, not me. |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Jeebus H Christ on a crutch |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So you were there? You asked them to clairify? |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. the 2nd Amendment |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I think it's about keeping the squirrels at bay in my yard. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. The right to keep squirrels at bay in your back yard is protected |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
109. Should we take the pledge, then? |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
103. Bingo! |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. You studied at the John Yoo school of Constitutional scholarship, I see |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
53. ah, the gun industry canard |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
59. You Need A Refresher Course... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Actually, I did know that. And I did not cite dates. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. How ignorant.. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. I've addressed this elsewhere and will not continue on this tangent. nt |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Actually... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I've addressed this elsewhere and will not continue on this tangent. nt |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Of course there is a militia - several in fact. Which is only part of the reason the right was |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Nice |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. This country isn't very old |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. antique rights |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Buy a gun. I don't care. |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Damn that ancient first Amendment... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:26 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. See reply #55. nt |
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LuisCipher (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Wow...just wow |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Who was talking about the Bill of Rights? See reply #55. nt |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. wow |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I was talking about a specific part of the second amendment and you know it. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Oh, so its just about the parts you don't like? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I didn't say I didn't like it. I think it's quaint. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. ironically |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
94. Interesting choice of words, |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. good point |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. It's a Wal-Mart amendment. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. it's no more a consumer issue |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Where's my iPod amendment? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. A ban on paper, pens, or printer's ink would be unconstitutional... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. But I have NO GUARANTEE of a right to own an iPod! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Yes you do |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Not specific enough. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Get a constitutional amendment passed saying |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Wrong |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. Get a movement going - secure that right specifically via an amendment and you are good! |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I dunno. An amendment to protect the right to purchase a specific consumer item. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. If you protected only a specific manufacturer or type |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Good... Good... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Is there a concerted effort to restrict the manufacture, sale, and ownership of music players |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. It might be an interesting case but I expect that would be covered under the first amendment. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. Why? If the govt was given certain powers that could be abused to inhibit |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. We are all in the militia |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Looked into joining the Texas State Guard just this morning... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Do you know what "militia" means in a constitutional context? |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-10-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Why not all 'the people' then - as intended? That way the |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. it's a prefatory clause |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Psst. The Heller case kinda killed our argument there. |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
49. Believe........... |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
67. polls |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. POLLS |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Are you saying that some people want to limit my consumer options? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. And what percentage of those actually knew that automatic weapons are already banned... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-11-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Those poll results are invalid, and here's why |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-12-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
106. 15%+ ignore inalienable/unalienable rights and the same percent believe Dubya was a good president. |
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