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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:17 PM
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News-Mexico's Ministry of Defense considers opening regional gun stores
Finally.

Please remember that the Ministry of Defense is the only place (in Mexico City at this moment) where a firearm can be purchased legally in Mexico.

If the inhabitants of Mexico can legally purchase firearms, this should alleviate some of the black market problem.

(Warning: In Spanish, I couldn't find an article in English, sorry.)
http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/415898.planea-la-sedena-abrir-mas-armerias.html

Xela
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:33 PM
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1. Link below is to an automated translation.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:32 AM
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3. Thanks jody...
I generally don't trust and/or like these online translators, but this one doesn't look that bad.

Good job.

Kind regards,

Xela
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:50 PM
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2. guns/weapons - america's biggest export and gift to humanity. gee thanks, america nt
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:55 AM
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5. Are they our biggest export?
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:07 AM
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6. Not even close
The entire "Made in the USA" firearms industry is only about $3 to $4 billion in annual sales. Americans spend about that much on Potato chips and snack food every year.

Plus the guns made in the USA are pretty expensive compared to the cheaper imports from Eastern Europe, Turkey and Brazil. There's a reason that the AK-47 and AK-74 are the staple for insurgencies around the world and not the AR-15 platform. Affordability and availability are the big ones.

The "big" manufacturers, relatively speaking, are offshore. Plus there is a huge surplus from the old Soviet Union coming in every year. Tens of thousands of old Mosin-Nagants and other more recent vinatge rifles and handguns are being imported. Brazil has several big manufacturers, mainly revolvers and rifles. Turkey also has a lot of contractors making S&W shotguns and others.

But it suits some ignorant folk's agenda to rant about the US Gun Industry and pretend its really a huge enterprise.


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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:28 PM
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7. What a wonderful gift to give. The ability to defend ones self and resist
unlawful deadly force. I'll go with that!!!
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rq4a Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:13 AM
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8. Geee? I thought that democracy was the greatest gift.
The US was the first modern democracy/republic. 225 odd years ago the world was organized by royality. The world watched the US experiment. Royality hoped it would crash and burn. Liberal and modern thinkers hoped it would work. With armed civilians the experiment worked and the US began exporting democracy to the world.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:16 PM
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13. If all US gun manufacturers combined their annual sales it wouldn't make the Fortune 500 n/t
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:38 AM
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4. Dang it!
There goes another export market.

Good for Mexico. The criminals have all sorts of sources for whatever they want. Lawful Mexican citizens should be allowed to purchase their arms in a lawful manner.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 11:22 AM
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9. Here's a Mexican Classic...
They're digging moats...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6328994.html

Rural Mexican villages dig moats to repel gangsters
Ditches don’t always deter raids, but federal troops can’t be spared

CUAUHTEMOC, Mexico — Little town, big hell.

That proverb about turmoil in small communities has never seemed truer than in this gangster-besieged village and a neighboring one in the bean fields and desert scrub a long day’s drive south of the Rio Grande.

Since right before Christmas, armed raiders repeatedly have swept into both villages to carry away local men. Government help arrived too late, or not at all.

Terrified villagers — at the urging of army officers who couldn’t be there around the clock — have clawed moats across every access road but one into their communities, hoping to repel the raids.

“This was a means of preservation,” said Ruben Solis, 47, a farmers’ leader in Cuauhtemoc, a collection of adobe and concrete houses called home by 3,700 people. “It’s better to struggle this way than to face the consequences.”

But shortly after midnight last Sunday, villagers said, as many as 15 SUVs loaded with pistoleros attacked nearby San Angel, population 250, and kidnapped five people. Four victims were returned unharmed a few days later. The fifth hostage, a teenage boy, was held to exchange for the intended target the raiders missed, villagers said.

“We have support of the federal forces,” said an official of the dirt-street village. “Security is what we’re lacking.”

After the earthworks were dug in both villages, volunteers manned checkpoints at the remaining open entrances. Those sentinels, however, were removed when it was decided they couldn’t stop a serious attack, anyhow .

“We aren’t able to confront this sort of thing,” Solis said. “We have a few shotguns, some .22 rifles, a few pistols — nothing compared to what they have.”

President Felipe Calderon’s war on Mexico’s drug gangsters has met with mixed success since he began deploying about 45,000 soldiers and federal police after assuming office in December 2006. The federal forces have been able to defeat the gunmen in open combat but unable, so far, to extinguish the bloodshed or the crime.

Narcotics-related violence killed at least 6,000 people last year and looks likely to match that toll again by Christmas. Kidnappings, extortions and bank robberies are on the rise in many cities and even in rural flyspecks like Cuauhtemoc and San Angel.

Though still far less serious, the troubles faintly echo those of a century ago when Cuencame township, which includes Cuauhtemoc and San Angel, suffered massacres and guerrilla attacks in the lead-up to the Mexican Revolution.

Most of Mexico’s violence these days isn’t politically inspired, but the gangsters’ hit-and-run tactics often mirror those of an insurgency. Government forces frequently find themselves without adequate manpower to be everywhere at once.

“This is really the job of the federal government,” Solis said of his town’s efforts at self-defense. “But they don’t have enough men to keep up. There is delinquency wherever you go.”
Fear of the Zetas

Like others across central and western Mexico, many in and around these villages assume their tormentors are the Zetas, gunmen aligned with the Gulf Cartel, based in Matamoros and other cities bordering South Texas.

Government officials blame much of Mexico’s violence on wars between gangs like the Zetas, whose founders were army deserters, for control of smuggling corridors, local drug sales and other rackets.

Solis said he and other townspeople suspect those who raided Cuauhtémoc in early February, kidnapping the 23-year-old son of a bean-and-grain trader, are simply “bad characters from the area who have just taken the Zeta name.”

Fear of the Zetas borders on hysteria in this corner of Durango state, residents and officials agreed. Village boys playing with toy trucks have taken to shouting “here come the Zetas” when staging chases, Solis said.

When a rumor started March 10 in a town nearby that scores of Zetas were planning to attack, stores in the area closed, classes were canceled and people fled.

“A psychosis prevails across the whole region,” said Isidro Aguilar, the police chief of Guadalupe Victoria, a market town 25 miles from Cuauhtemoc, who otherwise denied that the area faces a crime plague. “There are people who are taking advantage of it.”

Still, people’s paranoia doesn’t mean someone’s not out to get them.

Gangsters have staged platoon-strength raids on towns in Chihuahua and other nearby states. Kidnappings have increased, as well as cold-call extortion attempts to even poor residents of the area.

A number of merchants, as well as two members of the city council, have been kidnapped in Guadalupe Victoria since late December, residents said. Ransoms, they said, have reached several hundred thousand dollars.

“No one knows who took them. No one knows anything,” said Gilberto Cabello, the head of the town’s merchants association. “Everyone is left wondering who is next.”
Defense left to the town

Not surprisingly, villagers in Cuauhtemoc and San Angel remain on edge, sharply eyeing strangers, careful not to say too much to outsiders.

“The less said about this, the better,” said a city hall official in Cuencame, the township seat. “It can be dangerous to say too much.”

Soldiers and federal police took up the defense of Cuauhtemoc and San Angel last week after the towns’ plight played on the front page of a Mexico City newspaper. But the patrols evaporated after a few days, leaving nothing but the ditches in the villagers’ defense.

“That’s the way it is,” said a sun-weathered Roberto Fuentes, who was helping build a sidewalk a block from one of Cuauhtemoc’s earthworks. “If the government doesn’t do it, we have to.

“Here, the people are defending the town.”
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:59 PM
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10. Nah, try this one...
This Mexican state's constitution (Texas/Mexico border state of Tamaulipas) states that it's inhabitants are required to train in the use of firearms and military discipline (Article 18, Section VI). And the following section (VII) states that the inhabitants are required to take up arms in defense of the town/city when it's being threatened by criminals.

Of course the leadership will have none of that. Some of which are corrupt and in the payroll of the cartels...hmmm.

Xela

(badly translated)
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Finfo4.juridicas.unam.mx%2Fadprojus%2Fleg%2F29%2F855%2F19.htm%3Fs%3D&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=

(In original Spanish)

http://info4.juridicas.unam.mx/adprojus/leg/29/855/19.htm?s=

CONSTITUCION POLITICA DEL
ESTADO DE TAMAULIPAS

TITULO I
DEL ESTADO Y SUS HABITANTES

CAPITULO V
De los Habitantes

ARTICULO 18

Todos los habitantes del Estado estarán obligados:

VI.- Asistir los días y horas designadas por el Ayuntamiento del Municipio en que residan, para recibir la instrucción cívica y militar que los mantenga aptos en el ejercicio de todos sus derechos de ciudadanos, y diestros en el manejo de las armas y conocedores de la disciplina militar;

VII.- Tomar las armas en defensa del pueblo en que vivan cuando éste fuere amagado por partidas de malhechores, acatando las disposiciones que al efecto emanen de la autoridad local.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:04 PM
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11. It's a great article by the way, thanks for sharing.
I couldn't help but share it with some buddies of mine in a Mexican firearm forum.

Kind regards,

Xela
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:38 PM
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15. Link?
I'm always interested in different view points.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 08:20 PM
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16. Links
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:21 AM
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18. Muchas Gracias!
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:43 PM
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12. What the media WON'T
tell you is that most of these firearms are going to Mexican CIVILIANS! Why would the cartels pay for a semi-auto when they can get a full-auto rifle/machine gun for the SAME price or cheaper?????? Do you think the cartels would LET the civilians have FIREARMS to defend themselves with when they can FORCE them to work for them????? Get your fracking head out of the sand!!!!!
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:35 PM
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14. ???
I apologize, somewhere in your statement I lost you.

I'm assuming you're addressing me?

I know these firearm sales are intended for civilians, I think opening the market for legally owned firearms is a positive thing.

And nowehere in my post did I imply that the cartels would take advantage of this situation (I contend the contrary actually, they would fear it).

It is not up to the cartels whether civilians can, and/or should, have firearms: Civilians in Mexico are arming themselves regardless. (Heck, even the goverment isn't able to stop them).

And where did you get from my post(s), or the article for that matter, that cartels are forcing civilians to work for them?

Xela
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Furyataurus Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:50 PM
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17. Oops, I wasn't talking to you.
What I meant was that the weapons going to mexico were going to the Civilian's, not to the cartels. The drug cartel's DO force civilian's to work for them, its just not mentioned by MOST of the media.
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