gun show

[Mojorabbit]

Hubby just called me from the Orlando gun show. He says they sold out of ammo two hours after opening and powder four hours after opening yesterday. We have a good stockpile for the range but this is kind of creeping me out.

[tridim]

1. Gun nuts getting gun-nuttier.

Just lovely. :scared:

[gorfle]

13. On gun nuts.

We need to be clear about something here.

Whether you think that all these people who have run out since the election and bought ammunition to the point where it has become nearly impossible to find it on store shelves are simply "nuts" is beside the point.

Very obviously, there is a large contingent of Americans who do not trust President Obama and/or Democrats on the issue of guns. And these people are highly alert, highly motivated, and willing to spend lots of money to protect their interest in firearms.

These people are a potent, organized force that will destroy the Democratic Party should it or President Obama move against the second amendment. I suspect it will be a far, far, far harsher backlash than the 1994 election. I do not remember nearly the frenzy to buy assault weapons before the last ban as there is now for ammunition when there is no pending legislation at all.

So consider all the people out there buying ammo nuts if you like. But don't underestimate the political clout.

[spin]

16. Note to the Democrats and the Obama administration...

If you want a successful midterm election and a second term as President, do not consider reinstating the AWB or passing any new draconian gun laws.

Instead do something that works. Crack down on criminals carrying guns on our streets and criminal gangs.

Targeting honest people has little effect on criminals and how they misuse firearms.

[Tejas]

22. The internet has contributed greatly to awareness.

"These people are a potent, organized force that will destroy the Democratic Party should it or President Obama move against the second amendment. I suspect it will be a far, far, far harsher backlash than the 1994 election. I do not remember nearly the frenzy to buy assault weapons before the last ban as there is now for ammunition when there is no pending legislation at all."

I would say that nowadays more people have access to news of current events and can respond instantly with impact etc.

[rq4a]

Pending Legislation

See HR45. Are gun nuts smart and justified?

[rq4a]

24. Pending Legislation

See HR45. Are gun nuts smart and justified?

[Tejas]

32. What is a "gun nut"?

Welcome to the DU






(I think)

[rq4a]

23. Gun nuts are smart

Do the gun nuts have a good reason to believe that in the next 4 years something will happen to gun laws? Then? Is thier behavior smart or nuts?

[yay]

29. A bit of both really...

[Tejas]

33. Ever heard of Joe Biden?

Are you being coy or did you simply not watch the Democratic debates?

[NightWatcher]

2. there's one here next weekend, and I thought about going, just to watch the kneejerk reactions

to Obama.

The first gun show after Obama takes office here in the Deep South.... Common sense will not be in sight

[jody]

15. You will be safe when visiting a gun show.Violent crime is most unlikely. n/t

[Possumpoint]

3. On Various Forums

there have been a number of discussions on ammo flying off the shelves and being out of stock. Remains to be seen if there is an actual shortage of ammo or over reaction by gun enthusiasts. I've noticed my local retailer is out of many of the normal caliber ammo.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Oh sorry about that.

My bad.

[FLyellowdog]

4. In preparation for when Americans turn against Americans.

:banghead:

[MikeNearMcChord]

5. The War Nerd has an answer to some of these Gun nuts.

Especially Gun nuts in Southern California
http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-apocalypse-never/

[yay]

6. beating a dead horse

This has only been mentioned in one form or another about 50 times. It's been like that since late November.

[Mojorabbit]

7. This is the first time

it has happened here where I live.

[yay]

28. It's been almost a country wide problem

Any gun show around a major population center has been hit and hit hard.

[ewagner]

8. No kidding!?!?!?

That is strangely similar to what happened here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x28279

[Merlot]

9. I think the NRA - which is a marketing firm first and formost

is fanning the fear to raise gun & ammo sales. And suppliers are probably taking advantage by making things just a little scare to send up prices.

Just what are all these people going to do with all that ammo? Shoot each other? Shoot unarmed people? Do they really think they can outman the gov't for very long?

[safeinOhio]

10. They will all be back at the gun shows in a few years

selling all that ammo back.

[ManiacJoe]

12. Because it has an expiration date?

Please. One buys in bulk because it is cheaper per unit that way. Unfortunately, all the major ammo makers are currently selling to the government to feed the military. This leave very little manufacturing time left for the civilian market. As the supply goes down, while the demand stays or rises, the prices go up. If a shooter finds a reasonable deal he takes it knowing that the ammo purchased will cover his needs for a while into the future, longer for some folks than others.

[jefflrrp]

11. yes, my friend, i think they could . . .

You asked if 'these people' who are buying up the ammo (these people being both democrats and republicans of every stripe and hue) could outman (outlast?) the government. Supposedly, if the 'gummint' turned against the people and started slashing the majority's civil rights, imprisioning innocents, and confiscating guns, I would think that enough people could get together and outlast (defeat) the government or at least force it to change.

Firstly, one can't assume that all soldiers of the US would swear allegiance to the government in question when tasked with putting down a rebellion of large scale (and even if 5% or less of the 80+ million gun-owners in this country decided to become apart of the 'insurgency', they still outnumber the entirety of the US military). I don't care how many B52 bombers, M1A2 tanks, or guided missles the armed forces have, you can't defeat an enemy you can't see.

That was our problem in Iraq. It took weeks and weeks of patrolling, raids and checkpoints, the nitty-gritty soldiering, in order for us to quell the majority of resistance in Iraq. Please tell me how our stretched out military could operate and succeed if a large scale rebellion in this country occurred. Bear in mind that our military has had enough problems quelling Iraq and Afganistan; now multiply the area and potential hostile population 15 times, and you've largely got a recipe for defeat.

Yes. A fringe group of disenchanted Randy Weaver types holed up in a mountain fortress stand little chance of succeeding against the federal (or even local) government. But even a relatively small scale rebellion of a few million people would take months, if not years to defeat. Get enough people who feel threatened by a totalitarian-turned US government together, and I'll bet on the rebel group every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

And that, my friends, is why we have the 2nd Amendment. Not for fringe crazies to stockpile weapons for an inevitable apocalypse (although that does happen), but for a portion (and a rather large portion at that) of the populace to own arms in case of foreign invasion, or if neccessary a totalitarian government.

While the chances of that happening are rather low, so were the odds that we'd win the 1980 Olympic hockey game. Shit can happen. I'd better be prepared. =)

[AtheistCrusader]

19. I'm going to use mine.

But maintain current stocks. My wife and I shoot competitively, and for recreation. I hunt.

You'd be surprised how quick it goes.

[aikoaiko]

14. 2 gunshows ago, a case of of CCO 22lr fetched $170, 1 gunshow ago the case was $220,

this months gunshow.... who knows? I'm guessing $250.

[slackmaster]

17. I skipped the show in Del Mar this weekend

I have no doubt that it was a chaotic scene.

I bought a good supply of ammunition when it was available and reasonably priced.

BTW, I went to Wal-Mart yesterday to buy some toiletries. I cruised the Sporting Goods department. They were sold out of Winchester brand "white box" discount ammunition in all calibers, and .223 Remington was priced higher than .22-250 (a specialty varmint cartridge that is normally far more costly than common calibers).

[Hugabear]

20. Wing-nuts are preparing for armed revolution

You can hear it on the radio talk shows, hear it in the voices of hatemongers like Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, etc. They are urging their followers to revolt against this administration. They are warning their listeners that we cannot survive four years of Obama.

Sooner or later, some of these nutjobs are going to take matters into their own hands. There is going to be a bloodbath, and the rethugs will have their grimy fingerprints all over it.

[rq4a]

25. Voting with Guns

Check your history. Our country was founded by armed people with guns who were angry at thier government.

[Hugabear]

26. So you'd have no problem with right-wingers taking up arms against this administration

I suppose you feel that they have a god-given right to take up arms in rebellion, and form their own Fundistan government.

[yay]

27. Actually...

Yes, that was the original intent of the 2nt amendment..... just sayin

[Hugabear]

31. So then Timothy McVeigh was justified in doing what he did

After all, he was striking back against what he felt was an oppressive government. He struck at a government target - a building housing many federal offices.

I just want to make sure that we follow this argument out to its logical extension, which is that citizens have a right (or duty) to fight against a government that they feel has become too oppressive.

[AtheistCrusader]

30. Of course we would have a problem with it.

Many of us would probably contest their decision to do so.

[Tejas]

34. Under what circumstances?

Do you have a scenario?

[57_TomCat]

21. I was surprised to see the show supply go so quickly.

I have enough for my needs for the next 4 months for the various competitions and training I participate in the central Florida area but my ability to restock has been severely curtailed. I am down to about 4000 rounds of the calibers I shoot and carry and I expect to have to limit my shooting opportunities before it gets better. The LE agency I work for has problems getting both duty and training ammo. We have been doing a lot of swapping between offices to meet training requirements.

[wartrace]

35. I stopped going to gun shows years ago,

They are ALWAYS overpriced on most everything. They were pretty crowded back then, I can't imagine how bad they are now. I can find anything I want on the inter-net, I can compare prices & have it shipped to my door. (Excluding firearms) If I want a new firearm I can order it and have it shipped to my local gun shop, fill out the forms and take it home.

The dealers at the show have all their stuff priced for the "sucker" who doesn't know better.

[dashrif]

36. Ammo

Can be a good deal in bulk you have to look at shipping vs sales tax but your right most of it is a suckers game (got to have it now). I support the hell out of my gun smith by ordering from him or the web and shipped to him, plus it a fun place to bullshit.:thumbsup: