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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 04:38 AM
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4 shot, 1 dead at Korean retreat center in Calif.
4 shot, 1 dead at Korean retreat center in Calif.

TEMECULA, Calif. – A gunman opened fire at a remote Korean Christian retreat center Tuesday night, leaving one person dead and at least three people injured, authorities said.

Authorities were first called to the rural area about 7 p.m. after receiving reports about a man shooting his wife, California Highway Patrol spokesman Mario Lopez said.

But investigators were still trying to learn the circumstances of the shootings, and were hindered by a language barrier in trying to sort out the facts, Riverside County Sheriff's spokesman Dennis Gutierrez said.

"We have some nuns that are very distraught," he said.

The name and age of the suspected shooter was not released and the identity of the dead victim were being withheld until relatives were notified.

At least two of the victims were critically injured. The gunman was also believed to be among the wounded at the Kkottongnae Retreat Camp, located in Temecula about 85 miles southeast of Los Angeles.

A nursing supervisor at the Inland Valley Regional Medical Center near the retreat said she had no information on any of the victims.

Officers began interviewing people at what appeared to be a triage center for injured victims, Gutierrez said, but most of them spoke Korean.

"That language barrier, that's the key to figuring out what happened," Gutierrez said.

The retreat is one of four U.S. branches of the Kkottongnae Brothers and Sisters of Jesus, a Roman Catholic organization dedicated to serving the poor and homeless. It was founded in the city of Cheongju, South Korea, by Father Oh Woong Jin in 1976.

The campground, previously used as a summer camp before the group bought it, was marked by a single white sign in English and Korean on the side of a rural winding road in remote southeast Riverside County. The retreat was a mile up a narrow road into the hills.

Kkottongnae means "flower village," according to the organization's Web site.

A woman who answered the phone at the group's Lynwood branch on Tuesday night said she did not speak English well and declined to discuss the shooting.

Deputies had evacuated the campground and blocked off access. Nothing could be seen from the main road.

Several women from the retreat sat wrapped in blankets outside the law enforcement lines.

"This is the last place this is supposed to happen," Gutierrez said. "A lot of people are shaken up."

Chang Kim of Los Angeles stood at the scene, saying his 88-year-old mother lives up the road that was blocked off. Kim said he was concerned because he could not reach her.

"My mother lives up there," he said. "I can't go there. I can't get in. I'm stuck."

Story here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090408/ap_on_re_us/retreat_shooting
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jefflrrp Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 05:00 AM
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1. I've heard that part of the problem . . .
is the way the MSM has been reporting these crimes. Most of these shooters crave fame. If the MSM would still report on the crimes, but refuse to report names (and therefore giving the shooter no fame), some of these copycat shooters wouldn't bother.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:34 AM
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2. Oh, you've "heard" that, have you?
So it has nothing to do with the desperate times that we're living in, the easy access to firearms, the horrible state of our mental health system. It's primarily about people craving fame.

Well hell, problem solved. :sarcasm:
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:52 AM
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3. Both. These shootings just started, really.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:03 AM
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4. And yet the media has been "hyping" mass shootings for how long?
They certainly "hyped" the Columbine massacre, giving those killers plenty of infamy. And yet we didn't see anything near the spree of mass shootings that we've experienced in the past month. EIGHT MASS SHOOTINGS IN ONE MONTH.

Sorry, I'm not buying the argument that they're simply looking for fame and media exposure.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:06 AM
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6. Except gun access hasn't changed in the last 25 years
except to become more strictly controlled, particularly in California but also Federally. Mental health care has been going downhill for a while. But I think it's probably the economy and social breakdown that has put some people close to the edge, and the media coverage of one incident is usually a trigger for others.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 04:36 AM
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8. Didn't Sara Palin blame her troubles on the MSM?
Some of these shooters must have a pretty strong belief in the afterlife because they kill themselves in the end. Maybe Heaven has Cable?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:04 AM
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5. Gavin deBecker (who is no friend of gun ownership) made precisely that point
in The Gift of Fear. Their motivation is typically not revenge so much as fame, and the media glorifies them as antiheroes.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:43 AM
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7. Damn right-wingers!
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