ATC reports ammunition shortage blamed on Obama's election.

[bushmeister0]

"Around the country, there is a shortage of ammunition used in many types of firearms. Some attribute the shortage to the election of President Obama, and fears his administration will usher in more restrictive gun laws. Johnny Dury, owner of Dury's Gun Shop in San Antonio, says the ammunition shortage began the day Obama got elected."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102851807

Dury says people at his store are buying a lifetime supply of ammo. This shortage brought on by the fear of a Obama crackdown on weapons, coupled with the military's demand for ammo for two wars, is depleting supplies of ammunition all over the country making it hard for the police to stay sufficiently supplied. Considering all the dead and wounded citizens and police officers piling up, I'd say this is a pretty scary development.

Dury says people feel that all this socialist talk of taking over the banks, taking over the oil companies, giving money to people who don't work hard, is making people feel they need to protect themselves. If criminals know people aren't armed that'll make it just that much easier for them.

Asked how business was today he replied, it's just a regular "post-Obama day."

You know that Hussein Obama, he's giving all our money away to the lazy people who don't want to work.

No need to worry about all those trigger happy right wing nuts with arsenals in their bedrooms waiting for the police to come knocking.

[doctor jazz]

1. I support RKBA but that phrase "lifetime supply of ammo" is pretty comical

;-)

[Canuckistanian]

6. What does that mean, "lifetime supply"?

At what rate of consumption? Going to the shooting range every week? Or fighting a protracted civil war (as some are advocating)?

[bushmeister0]

7. He says some sixty year-old woman bought a case of shells

because she was damned if Obama was going to take away her right to defend herself.

[Hangingon]

33. Case size purchases are very common.

Walmart and Academy here usually sell out a delivery of pistol ammo by 9:00 AM on the day of delivery.

[aikoaiko]

39. 60 year woman buying cases at a time?

Sounds like my mother in law. She shoots in Glock pistol competitions, and carries for self-defense.

[doctor jazz]

11. As much as you need until you're dead, presumably.

:shrug:

[formercia]

27. When you run out, you're dead.

Lone Ranger and Tonto are down to three rounds between them..

Well, Tonto, looks like we're in trouble now.

What you mean WE, White Man?

[Terry in Austin]

45. "Lifetime supply" varies, of course

Hey, it could be just one bullet, if you happen to be one of those blown away by their own piece.

[lpbk2713]

2. I'd blame it on Limbaugh, Hannity and all those other assholes.

All those other RW Media Hatemongers who should receive close scrutiny
from Homeland Security for incendiary conduct that borders on terrorism.

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. Same here

"All this socialist talk" has become waayyyy too much. I happened to catch some RW radio personality on Dobbs tonight saying, "He (Obama) doesn't love this country." Lou just snickered and wouldn't allow Joe Madison to talk.

[friendly_iconoclast]

53. So they would be "nodes for radicalization", then?

Also receiving close scrutiny from Homeland Security:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5415218

Be careful what you advocate, lest it be applied to you

[mitchum]

3. And shopkeeper Johnny Dury is more than happy to profit from his idiot customer base

[bushmeister0]

8. You know the Reverend Moon and his son Justin are happy.

More money for guns means more money for the Moonies.

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2482

[Cid_B]

4. I gotta stock up next week..

hope Wal-mart is stocked.

[rrneck]

5. Change is always stressful. nt

[zipplewrath]

9. It's SWAT

I saw a rather convincing article that attributes much of the current shortage to the proliferation of SWAT type teams everywhere. Campus police, large facility security forces, and just about any police/sheriff's department anywhere has a SWAT type team these days. And that requires training and retraining. The article suggested 300 round per certified member per year. It isn't the 2 wars, the military have their own sources of supply. Yes, there is a "run" on ammo at the local stores, but it isn't anywhere near large enough to have caused the shortage. But the retailers don't mind "selling" that concept to keep the customers coming in.

[jmg257]

10. Not so sure. There is shortage of .380, .32 and other 'non-SWAT' rounds.

There is not as much problem finding 9mm, .45 (somewhat), .223 & .308.

[doc03]

12. Around here all handgun ammo is in very

short supply. When they get a shipment in it is gone immediately. I saw three 250 round boxes of 9mm and two 250 round boxes of .45 ammo on the shelf at Walmart a couple weeks ago I checked back about 10 minutes later and they had all been sold. Cabelas had a sale add for April 2 on 9mm, .40 cal. and .45 cal. I made it to the store about 2 hours after they had opened and they were all gone.

[bushmeister0]

13. Jesus, sounds like folks are stocking up for a war.

WTF? Welcome to Baghdad USA!

[doc03]

31. Some actually think they are, yesterday

this nut calls a local talk show and in the first sentence he calls the President a Muslim Terrorist then it went down hill from there. This guy must have gone on for ten minutes about how Acorn stole the election, him going on foreign soil and criticizing Amurika and on and on. He sounded like he was ready to snap and start shooting at any minute, scary.

[aikoaiko]

40. I was clearning up my house and found 1K of ammo I forgot I had.

It was like finding money in the dirty laundry.

:bounce:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

15. Idiots, they should be reloading it's much cheaper.

[Squatch]

16. After the initial outlay of about $600...

yeah...it becomes cost effective if you shoot a ton every year.

The real appeal in reloading is in the quality control you can achieve. I compete and am keen on maximized accuracy for my guns, so hand loading is of great interest to me.

[Fumesucker]

22. If you want to get in a great deal of practice very cheaply get an airgun

It costs less than a penny per shot if you buy pellets in quantity through the web.

I can hit a dime pretty reliably (once I'm sighted in) at fifty yards with my Benjamin Discovery Precharged Pneumatic..

At short ranges a quality airgun can be even more accurate than a firearm.

I shoot my Crosman Mark II and my Baikal IZH-46M pistols indoors at home a lot, I have a pellet trap that uses two layers of heavy carpet.

[Hangingon]

34. Availabitity of components is a problem.

Primers are especially scarce around here.

[Statistical]

37. Getting harder to find reloading supplies too.

Please don't talk about reloading though.

When the antis on DU learn that everyday citizens can MAKE THEIR OWN AMMO their brains will really explode.

[RamboLiberal]

46. Problem is the reloaders are having a hell of a time getting primers

Heard a number talking about that shortage at various gun ranges.

[No More Bushbots]

51. I agree

Plus you can reload a little heavier for better penetration and muzzle velocity.

[SeattleGirl]

17. Actually, the shortage is probably caused by all the people who have

decided that "shoot first, ask questions later" is the best way to resolve something,.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

18. Yes the millions of gun owners buying ammunition are shooting everyone who looks at them.

[bushmeister0]

19. Looks that way.

[SeattleGirl]

21. Yep, it sure does.

It's gettin' real ugly out there.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. I must have missed the millions of deaths.

[SeattleGirl]

20. Sure seems that way lately, doesn't it?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

49. No it seems like a couple of criminals and crazy people have. Unless I missed the millions of dead.

[Pullo]

56. Got to love the Castle Doctrine

Thankfully Gov. Strickland had the good sense to sign it into law here in OH :-)

[democracy1st]

23. Racism has turned into Idiotic Fear!

[bushmeister0]

24. It's those African-ized bees!

[Skittles]

25. the actual cause is paranoid assholes

[bridgit]

26. They're just pissed the jig is up: Chinese-Made Armor-Piercing Bullets Found in Iraq, Afghanistan

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/07/chinese-made-ar.html

[bushmeister0]

28. Oh, great!

When are we deploying the Cylons?

[JI7]

29. ok, but why do they go and blow up and shoot people ?

referring to Tim McVeigh when i say "blow up".

so say Obama will do the things they say he will and they don't like it, so how do they get from that into killing innocent people ?

[bushmeister0]

30. Obviously, Jesus told them to do it. Or Rush, whatever.

[Blue_Tires]

32. i think in a couple of years when people finally wake up

and realize Obama has not grabbed the first gun despite all the RW radio predictions, there will be an IMMENSE secondary market in guns and ammo as people dump their stockpiles on the cheap...

Personally, I'm curious why this is still a story...The "people buying up all the ammo and guns" story (along with the related shortages) has been in the news every week since January...It's not like anything has changed since then...

[Statistical]

36. guns & mags yes = just like when AWB expired. ammo not so much.

you can use ammo. it also tends to last forever if stored properly.

if someone bought too much ammo I doubt they would sell it cheap just to buy it back for more in smaller batches over next 10 years.

[Blue_Tires]

38. so what do you do with more ammo than you could ever use?

once you've had your jollies at the gun range?

just asking...because i'm reading about people getting 'lifetime' supplies...

[Statistical]

42. I shoot maybe 1000 - 2000 rounds a year some people I know shoot 5000+

So say someone goes way way way overboard and buys 50K rounds.

If he shoots 2500 rounds a year thats 20 years worth.
No me personally I will just buy 1000 at a time but regardless the guy has bought all his ammo at once.

Rather than buy 2500 every year for next 20 years he is loaded up.

The thing about ammo is if it is well made, kept dry, and not subject to a lot of heat or vibration it essentially lasts forever.

I have shot ammo that was 60, 70, even 80 years old.
Worst case scenario give it to your kids.

Ammo tends to keep getting more expensive (even before the "Obama scare").
I kinda wish I had gone "crazy" and bout 10K 9mm & 10K .45 a couple years ago.

The war in Iraq, rising fuel prices (shipping), and rising cost of metal has caused ammo prices to triples.
That is BEFORE any scare based run up.

[Blue_Tires]

47. ok...i get it now

thanks for the insight

[lonestarnot]

35. More staged shit to try to blame our President. Fuck 'em!

[dolo amber]

41. Why do they feel they need guns so badly?

To protect them from "criminals" who know they have no ammo? But wait, the criminals *do* have ammo? But there's no ammo! How'd they get ammo?!

I get confused by insanity sometimes, you see...

If they're so hardcore why don't they just learn how to kick the shit out of the "criminals" who are coming to take whatever crap they have that is so precious to them? You can learn to disarm a person with a gun.

Maybe they're just too "lazy".

[madmom]

43. Back when the nra started the "Obama is gonna take yer guns" meme...

the guns nuts (and I'm talking real gun nuts not responsible gun owners) started hording and driving prices up and blaming the "librals" because prices were going up. There was a "shortage" of 223 brass, a very popular cartridges, they drove the prices up people horded. Now they've changed the game and it's primers, drove the prices up and people are hording. What is going to be next? This is all a game to them, they are laughing all the way to the bank.

[No More Bushbots]

52. This has absolutely no effect on me

I still haven't used up all the ammo I bought for the Y2K crisis.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. Gun and ammo manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

This is like Tickle Me Elmo shortages at Christmas time.

[JHB]

50. "giving money to people who don't work hard"

Who says anything like that? What fucking decade are these people living in?

[TexasObserver]

54. The rightwingers are using scare tactics for political currency and financial profit.

They have many of the gun users afraid they'll see their guns and ammo banned or significantly restricted, and that has caused on run on ammo. Even police departments are experiencing delays in getting ammo, as a result.

[ManiacJoe]

55. Ammo has been in short supply for years.

The few ammo producers have been filling military contracts for the last eight years. That does not leave much line time for the civilian market.

The press has taken notice now only to see the civilian demand rise slightly higher than previously.