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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:33 AM Original message |
What gun laws would have prevented the recent mass murders? |
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coyotespaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. While I can't think of any gun laws that would prevent these things from happening |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. DING DING DING |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
44. What we are seeing |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Generally? No. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. None that I can think of |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. Eliminate the myth of the cowboy, the lie of individual gun rights & fear of our fellow citizens. |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. ...and this would do what? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Do you believe in UFOs, the myth of the moon landing |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
53. Awful financial strain? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It's class warfare |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. NOT the same thing. |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
116. but you cannot introduce a law |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
117. Hundred |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Most of us can. But it's still the same as a Poll Tax, and offensive to us. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. How is it the same as a Poll Tax? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. The NICS background check doesn't cost anything at all. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Because one is a tangible object |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Actually it doesn't grant anything. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #85 |
118. You need to read some history on not just the 2nd but entire Bill Of Rights |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
108. You're charging a fee for the act of ownership |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
104. Many people do not own firearms worth several hundred dollars. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
78. Gun control has racists roots... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. "The lie of individual gun rights"? I think the OP is talking about the US here. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Individual gun rights is NOT a lie. That is settled law. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Bush v Gore is "settled law" too, but the RW has a vested interest in having a corrupt USSC. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. So are the left leaning justices on the Supreme Court corrupt or stupid. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. How can one person "assemble" all by himself? Its logically absurd. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. So the 4 liberal justices of SCOTUS are stupid? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Found another crazy absurd right winger who believes an "individual right" |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Even though it's difficult for a gun worshiper to understand, I'm not a blind follower of Obama. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Well you can always dream. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
100. A point... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I looked up ruling and your right (been a while since I read it) |
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umccoyw (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
114. the miller case i dont think....... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Well it reached a conclusion but it wasn't justice. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Worse than that ... |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
75. Sophistry, nuff said. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
110. In Bush v. Gore, the Supremes explicitely said their ruling was one-use only. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. So all 9 supreme court justices were wrong? |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
25. "Spend Billions"? WTF |
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Furyataurus (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
41. When was the last time |
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umccoyw (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
113. gun owners are liable |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. Different attitude towards crime |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
39. "problems" What Problems??? |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
105. You can't even settle problems with your fists without being arrested. |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. anyone here consider HAARP as a possibility? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. OK |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Keep your eyes closed - seems to work for the rest of the USA . . . |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Give me a break? |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. It's Ruh Roh.... |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. LOL - ok thanks - Us Canucks can be a wee bit slow yaknow |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. Everyone has brain farts NT |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. 85 views and still *crickets* n/t |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. See post #3 |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I guess they mean to repeal the 2A as it DOES protect the individual right to arms. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
11. Well, as someone above said: |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. How would that have prevented the recent mass murders though? |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Good question and I really have no idea how it could prevent the recent mass murders. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
77. I disagree and I'll explain why. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. How? |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. You know what? I honestly have no idea. In these particular cases, it seems that you are right. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #33 |
50. Well I am impressed. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Liability and accident insurance...how much would that cost? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'm not for it, at all |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. How about we start with a yearly mental health check for all drivers |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
107. Please, not THAT analogy again |
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jefflrrp (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
14. as I've heard from . . . and agree with |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. In one case I KNOW of the guy could not purchase legally. So how |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. So far, no takers? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Can't be done.. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It is really a loaded question |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Yup, no single solution / law |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. I agree (except for fairness doctrine). Exactly my point |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
26. I am not pro-gun control by any stretch, but ...The only way to prevent such tragedies is |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. In other words |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Where only the state is armed. |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. LOL. I think my grandfather had one of those single shot black powder rifles. He kept it propped |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. He must have been comfortable with what he knew. It's cute actually! |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. At step 4.. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. No argument here. We have seen it already, based on 'beliefs', not even reality. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. Thank god the founders were smart enough to make #2 real hard. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. WOW...welcome to Nazi Germany...Best gun grabber post I've ever seen! |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Don't slam on jmg257 |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Like the wingers won't deliberately misconstrue what he said? |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. What didn't you like about my phrasing? What isn't obvious about the intrusive nature |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Ahh - I get it now! I am a bit slow sometimes... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I read posts on DU talking about some of the really stupid things... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Thanks for getting it. nt |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Thanks! Of course IF I was anti-gun, this is exactly what I would propose, |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Many people read DU... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Points well taken. (& I didn't say my 'idea' was easy!) |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. The cure would probably be worse than the disease. (n/t) |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
106. His post was meant to be extreme |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. Self-deleted due to knee jerk reaction. Sorry about that. n/t |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
36. I'm about as anti-gun as you can get. However, there are no laws that exist nor none that can come |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
60. Some were murder/suicide incidents. I hope mentally disturbed perpetrators don't discover IED. n/t |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
69. License, registration, insurance, and private NCIS use. My opinion |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. On the use of the NCIS system by private sellers... |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. You can already do that |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Here is the problem with this. Look at it from a criminals point of view that |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Most people I've talked too |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Agreed, never sold one from my house, never will. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Interesting, never thought of that... |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. The problem is defining "reasonable fee". |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. f the law required a NCIS check for private sales... |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. The "same fee" idea would need some tweaking. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I did a little research and found this.info for out of state buyers |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
84. We have plenty of laws; what we need is enforcement. |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Yes and no |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. No lookup process is 100% reliable. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. The politicians realize that it's far cheaper... |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
90. UPDATE |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. The plan of the true anti-gun people was always... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Wonder how the next Gallup Poll will compare to the recent 29%? If it remains in that range, my |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. IMHO, we've always been on our own... |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
103. Signs |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
109. Well, let's see |
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Joe Steel (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
111. GRAB |
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umccoyw (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
112. im not pro gun control |
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Unrepentant Fenian (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
115. Keeping them out of the republican's hands! |
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