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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:08 AM Original message |
4 shot, 1 dead at Christian retreat in California |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. What the hell is going on? n/t |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. He is what is going on, just tune in your radio dial |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. But why are they not picking |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Leave them be. |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
94. lol - like 'The Happening'. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. I listened to "Hannity" for the first time yesterday.... |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. I happened upon "Savage Nation" after the Red Sox win and holy cow! Not only |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Deleted message |
Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
77. Umm, probably not a good idea to suggest such things regarding |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
105. I really think |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's almost getting comical, in a WTF is going on kinda way |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
3. Another shooting? It's one or two a day. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Well the average total of yearly homicides is about 17,000 so it's more than one or two a day. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. It's getting so far past comprehensible tragedy, that it's becoming cosmically absurd |
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willing dwarf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Stressful times drives people over the edge |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Face it- we all need guns and bullet proof vests. We must embrace the gun culture to survive. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Most of those you call "absolutists" are anything but. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. We DO NOT sensible legislation. Every state does what they darn well please. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. NO laws will prevent these types of shootings....unless you propose to ban ALL guns. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
53. If CA rolled back their gun laws, would there be less shooting? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
110. I believe it wouldn't make any measurable difference |
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Blandocyte (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. they all look real scary fromthe business end of them |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Are you proposing a ban on ALL firearms? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Why not? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. I'm reminded of an analogy someone recently made.. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Yes, well, that's why I am not a statistician.... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. True- to me, that's kind of where we are re: AWB |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
106. Laws regulate behavior |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
52. Exactly- they wont budge. They call any regulation passed after 1934 "silly." |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That's cool - can we have nukes? /nt |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Why do we need nukes? We can kill people with cars, bath tubs and axes. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
99. those poor people. may they rest in peace. that is the saddest thing I've heard today |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Piffle. The Republicans ain't budging either. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. See my other posts if you want to know where I'm coming from. n/t |
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Blandocyte (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. But what happens if I embrace someone in the gun culture |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
47. You should see some of the designer bullet resistant clothing |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
62. Support the Troops- er I mean the students! |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
102. Anyone in the "gun culture" would have the Glock in a holster, as designed. |
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remedy1 (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. But California has very strict gun control laws... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. because there's nothing stopping anyone from bringing them in from Nevada or Arizona or anywhere |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. We do? |
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Blandocyte (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Instead of controlling guns |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. we skipped a day, i was getting worried. |
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tan guera (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Thanks for your dark humor. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. I didn't even think we skipped one. Thats good to know... |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
14. A Christian Retreat. |
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Blandocyte (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
19. Must not have retreated far enough |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It's Called a Depression |
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Blandocyte (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Yep. That's a huge part of it |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
95. good point. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. The Reagan-Bush Greater Depression... |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
26. what the hell is slater doing on the highway patrol? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
27. another day -- another mass shooting. nt |
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sythe200 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
29. Ban of guns |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. "We" need to find a way to prevent crime? You mean the NRA doesn't have an alternate solution? |
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sythe200 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Solutions |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. The NRA & conservative pro-gun movement supports decriminalization of drugs? Since when? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
103. If we werre to decriminalize drugs |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
30. ENOUGH ALREADY! |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Banning sure worked well in the drug war didn't it |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. You know, drugs and guns are not the same deal. |
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boilinmad (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Copy that! |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. The bill of rights isn't up for debate. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
67. Tell that to NRA supporting conservatives who apply community standards to the 1st Amendment. |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I have never defended the NRA. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. So my argument stands. Our society does allow some flexibility as to regulating our Rights. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Define regulate |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Hold on-we were not done yet. First, define "solution". Two can play at the NRA style sematics game. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #87 |
107. I understant that the NRA |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Sorry- I responded to the wrong argument above! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. You are a bit hostile... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I don't feel hostile- perhaps you are not used to people who are just as passionate as you. |
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sythe200 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Actually... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Amen |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. Thank You for pointing out what should be obvious |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Let's see your plan |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Let's see the NRA's plan to solve the problem- one that does not involve more guns and more prisons. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Look to Switzerland, sweden, finland, israel... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. The NRA & other conservatives will never look to Switzerland, sweden, finland, israel... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. The NRA is conservative, legal firearm ownership is not conservative |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You are vering away from our sub-topic- which is viable counterbalances & solutions to gun violence. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Not counter balances, root cause |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. And again, the conservative gun lobby doesn't give a rats ass about absolving these root causes. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. You have to have power to do that. Anything like a ban is instant death |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. In other words, the Gun absolutists are not going to do anything to counter-balance gun violence. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I think we have too many people in prison, Dr Fate |
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FudaFuda (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Avg. 36 people have been killed in the USA every day by drunk drivers in 2009 |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. For some reason, there is no powerful, multi-million dollar Pro-Drunk Driving lobby. |
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sythe200 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Your argument is fallacious. The NRA is not a pro-violence lobby, they are a pro-gun lobby. The NRA |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. You were the one who thought we should compare shooting violence to drunk driving violence- not me. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
104. No |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
78. Make me rich, please. |
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Barrett808 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
35. Wonkette: Our Nation’s Murder-Suicide Spree |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. you forgot about the policemen in Pennsylvania |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Why not get at the root of the problem? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Do you mean all guns, or just all guns not in the hands of government employees? |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
42. So I guess the shooter was part of a well regulated Militia. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. The militia is the people - The shooter was a fucking asshole |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. So, if you are 45 or older, you turn in your guns? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. That part is probably unconstitutional |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Which Supreme Court case are you refering to? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
100. The Ninth Amendment means you have a right to say, do, or own anything that has not been proscribed |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. The Roberts court ruled otherwise about a year ago. It's a personal right, say they. But the |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
49. Shooter is in his 70's? This is very weird. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
79. The story says one man was shot and wounded, and a woman was shot and killed. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. The story has changed since I posted it. I noticed when I clicked on |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Yeah it seems there was confusion at first. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-08-09 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
98. "What going on" is all I can say. |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
108. These things tend to happen in clusters |
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Jackson1999 (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
109. California?? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
111. If only Jesus had his AK handy. |
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