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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:53 PM Original message |
20/20: Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wish I could buy them that easily in California |
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TXRAT2 (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Question? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. That's a great question, and I don't know the answer |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Problem is |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. A curio and relic collector's FFL costs $30 for three years |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Don't those just apply to well... curio's and relics though? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yes, curios and relics |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Was going to say |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. A decent Garand is a great competition rifle |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I'd be a bit outgunned in 3 gun competition. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. When will Mr. Samaha |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Those individuals were not gun dealers |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. No law was broken in Virginia |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. Precisely |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. What is a "private dealer"? |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. Come to think of it |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I would think if you are a criminal or if you want to purchase |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Or you buy one of the tens of millions of illegal/street guns |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. What would be the harm in having a law in every state |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The problem is the "gun show" mentality. |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Indentity theft |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. You aren't doing a background check, you are doing an NICS check. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. The problem is that to DO an NICS check you need personal information |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I would use a mail notification system and severe penalties for misusing NICS |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. True but an FFL is at least a tracked trusted person. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Under my system, I have your personal information in hand |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Of course somone stealing your info for identify fraud likely is not using their correct identity. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. You know, that might just work.. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. You don't need to have a SS# |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. My understanding is that the SSAN is not "necessary", but it really |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Sure, then you can use a FFL who gets the same information. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. My parents were not very original. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. In the case with your level of desired confidence you and the seller could go to a FFL. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. You are not thinking this though far enough. |
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Furyataurus (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. The only "loophole" there is |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I don't believe that |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. You could also do the same by looking at the classifieds in the newspaper. |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. Meh. I've bought a few guns from friends of mine. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I bought six or seven firearms from a biker, none were C&Rs |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. I've NEVER had this kind of experience at a Gun Show!! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Same here.. has to be a private seller, not FFL dealer |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
25. Did they point out that the VT shooter did NOT buy his guns from private sellers |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
26. Just open NICS to private sellers and states can require it as part their laws. |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. This seems like such a good solution. I'm going to start writing letters on this one. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Thanks for that Tim - I've been doing so for years |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Open an FBI crime database to the public?? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. NICS is not a crime database - It is a list of prohibited persons |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
40. This is NOT the gun show loophole... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. I have gone to 3 or 4 gun shows a year |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Different states have different laws |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Here's a good link for laws by state.. |
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spanky_bear (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
49. That was nuts! |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. What's the big deal? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Finally an honest gun control person. Welcome to DU. |
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