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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:10 PM
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Police: Man Shoots Intruder
Botetourt County, VA - Police say a Botetourt County man shot and killed another man who broke into his home Friday night. It happened on Houston Mines Road in the Nace area of the county. Police say the intruder was able to get into the home and that's when the resident shot him. But first police say he secured family members in a locked bedroom.

The Sheriff's Department is not releasing the resident's identity. But deputies say someone showed up at the home at around 10:40 Friday night yelling and threatening to break in. The resident called 911 and loaded his 12-gauge shotgun. We're told he only fired after the intruder used a patio chair to break-in through a glass sliding door.

Joel Branscom, Commonwealth's Attorney - "Those are circumstances that would make it a justifiable homicide. Now, we will review it and make sure that's what happened."


http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0409/612386.html


Wow a gun nut that showed amazing restraint and seems to have acted that way under pressure. I didn't think that was humanly possible under such stressful conditions, at least according to many here and the producers at 20/20.

David
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:16 PM
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1. When seconds count, police are only minutes away. n/t
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jazzcat Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 04:55 PM
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10. Wow.
Wow.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:27 PM
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2. Wow! They beat the odds!
Since in homes with guns, a member of the household is three times as likely to be the victim of a homicide compared to gun-free homes.

Maybe next week the family will be less lucky.

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:30 PM
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3. What about homes with legally possessed firearms? Just to be fair.
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 10:31 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
Do you have a link to your statistics?

David
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:23 PM
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6. Probably the 1986 Kellermann study, just a guess.
That study is almost always misquoted, including here if it is the correct reference.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:47 PM
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5. which of course proves nothing
because (for example) it includes criminally possessed guns - like the homes of gangbangers.

iow, it does not prove CAUSATION.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:25 PM
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9. Also that homes already in high-crime areas are more likely to own a gun. nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 01:19 AM
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11. Still nothing to back up that bullshit.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:11 PM
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7. They released the 911 tape today
No link yet. The 911 operator can be heard saying to put the gun on the ground.
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:21 PM
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8. Add this one to the 3%
You know they will too.
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dashrif Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:47 AM
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12. 911 call
http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/local/article/full_911_call_from_deadly_self-defense_shooting/33181/#fragment-1

Text from 911 call released by the Botetourt County Sheriff’s Office below:


Dispatcher :“Whats wrong tonight sir?“

Hoover: “There is a strange man outside our home, and he is hollering, and he is crying out. I don’t know what’s wrong with him.“

Dispatcher: “Can you see anything about what he looks like?“

Hoover: “No, it’s dark and raining”

Dispatcher: “OK.“

Dispatcher: “Did he have a vehicle or was he on foot?“

Hoover: “He is on foot.“

Dispatcher: “Has he come to your door or window?“

Hoover: “He is at our door”

Dispatcher : “He is at the front door?“

Hoover : “He’s at our back deck”

Dispatcher : “He’s at the back deck? OK hold on one second for me.“

Hoover: “I’m gonna give you my wife, I am gonna go get my gun.“

Wife : “Hello?“

Dispatcher : “Ma’am hold on one second for me ok?“

Wife : “ok”

(Yelling in background)

Wife : “Oh my god”

(Yelling in background)

Dispatcher : “Ma’am what’s wrong?“

Wife : “He’s trying to break down the door.“

Dispatcher to someone else : “He’s trying to break the door down Kenny, right now.“

Dispatcher : “Ok ma’am, we’ve got deputies headed that way”

Wife : “Alright, thank you”

Dispatcher : “Dont hang up with me ok?“

Wife : “OK”

Wife : “I think he’s got a gun… get out of the way, get out of the way!“

Dispatcher : “He’s got a gun”

Wife : “I don’t know if thats what hes got.“

Dispatcher : “Ma’am can you see the gun?“

Wife : “No, I don’t know if thats what it is he’s trying to break down the door, I can’t tell”

Dispatcher to someone else : “She cant tell, she’s on the house phone”

Dispatcher : “Can you ask your husband what kind of gun it is?“

Wife : “Hes beating the door”

(Husband yelling in background..“I’ve got a gun”)

Dipatcher : “Ma’am, can you see if he has a gun or not?“

Wife : “We have louvers on the door, and the door is shut. It’s a sliding glass door”
Dispatcher : “Ma’am is he able to get in the door?“

Wife : “Not right now, he is trying”

Dispatcher : “Whats he doing now ma’am?“

Wife : “He’s asking what day it is”

(husband in background…“April 10th, Friday”)

Wife : “He’s talking about something about Vietnam and 1969”

Dispatcher : “He’s talking about Vietnam?“

(husband.. “I don’t want to hurt you ok?“)

Dispatcher : “Is he talking to your husband rationally?“

Wife : “No he is not”

Dispatcher : “OK”

Dispatcher : “Does your husband know him?“

Wife : “No, like I said we can’t even see who it is”

Dispatcher : “Ok… did you hear a vehicle pull up or did he just walk”

Wife : “I did not even know until he was on the back door, I cant tell because its dark outside”

Dispatcher : “Can you ask your husband to look and see if he has a weapon?“

Wife to husband : “They are on the way, they are on the way.“

Dispatcher : “Yes they are coming now, we have several officers on the way.“... “Ask your husband to look to see if that man has a weapon?“

Wife : “I do not want to look because he is beating on the door, and I am afraid if I open the screen he is gonna come through.“

Dispatcher : “What is he doing now?“

Wife : “I don’t hear anything now.“

Dispatcher : “Where is your husband – still at the back door?“

Wife : “We are standing here in the kitchen, he is trying to get into the sliding glass door”

Dispatcher : “He is trying to get in the sliding glass door?“...“and what side of the house is the sliding glass door on?“

Wife : “it is in the back of the house”

(Husband to man..“I dont know you”)

Dispatcher : “Tell your husband to keep talking to him”

Wife : “Hes talking about busting the door down.. and he’s talking about a watch, hes giving us a few minutes.. he’s counting”

Dispatcher : “He’s counting down?“

Dispatcher to someone else : “The guy outside the house is counting down. he’s counting, and he’s gonna bust the door down”

(Husband to man…“I dont want to hurt you”..man to husband..“open the door”)

Dispatcher :“What kind of gun does your husband have?“

(husband to man…“I cannot let you in”)

Dispatcher :“Ma’am?“

Wife : “Its like a rifle.. a shotgun”

Dispatcher:“The husband is at the door talking to this guy and he has a shotgun”

(yelling)

Dispatcher : “What just happened?“

Wife : “Hes out on the deck, I hear him walking around.“..(Loud Banging)..“Oh my gosh!“..“He’s trying to get in.. YOU HAVE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY HERE!“

Dispatcher : “They are on the way.. I promise, ok they are coming as fast as they can. What door is he beating on the same one?“

Wife : “The sliding glass door in the back”

Dispatcher : “OK. Do you have any neighbors or anything like that, that you have had dealings with that you know have been in Vietnam?“

Wife : “No”

Dispatcher : “OK, OK”

(Hoover to Jones: “Please just go away.“ (man yelling outside - inaudible).. “please”)

Dispatcher : “is he talking to your husband?“

Wife : “He’s beating on the door. I can even see the glass, it’s gonna break.“

Dispatcher : “I can hear it.. I have officers on the way. Just stay on the phone with me, everything is gonna be alright”

(husband to man..“I’m Jody, who are you!“)

(man yelling)

Wife : “He’s saying he does not care who my husband is.. are you a soldier?“

Dispatcher : “OK.“

Wife : “We’ve got a rod iron table out there. I think he’s got a chair.“

Dispatcher : “He’s got a chair…He has a chair in his hands?“

Wife : “He’s counting”...“Oh my God.. Oh God!.. He’s getting ready to come in.“

(Loud noises…Yelling)

Wife : “Oh my Lord!“

(Screaming)

Wife : “Oh my God!“

Wife : “(inaudible).... Oh.. get somebody here quick”

(police radio…“shots fired from inside the house”)

Dispatcher : “Ma’am..

Wife : “Yes”

Dispatcher : “What happened?“

Wife: “He just came through and my husband shot him and he’s still moving.. Oh Lord”

Dispatcher to someone : “The husband shot him”

Dispatcher : “Where did he shoot him?“

Wife : “I don’t know.. I don’t know!“

Dispatcher : “Where is your husband?“

Wife : “He’s standing here in the kitchen to make sure he doesn’t come in”

Dispatcher : “ok.. I want you to tell your husband to put the gun down”

Wife : “what if he comes in to try and attack us?“

Dispatcher : “Ma’am if he shot him he is not going to get up.. tell your husband to put the gundown please.“

Wife to husband : “she says to put the gun down”

Dispatcher : “Is he laying on the ground?.. is he breathing?“

Wife : “We cannot tell, it is still dark”

Dispatcher : “Is he on the back deck?“

Wife : “Yeah, he is laying on the back deck I guess”

Dispatcher : “OK”

(police scanner noise)

Wife :“Oh my God”

Dispatcher : “(inaudible)..ok ma’am its going to be ok.“

(police scanner)
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 02:33 PM
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13. Wow, listening to that it is both amazing and frightening.
That man did show great restraint in my opinion.
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