Good thing Mexican drug cartels aren't buying guns from U.S. dealers. - Oh, wait.

[baldguy]

Mexican cartels buy guns from U.S. dealers

WASHINGTON, April 15 (UPI) -- Smugglers supplying guns to Mexican drug cartels can evade detection for years because arms dealers are lightly regulated in U.S. border states, officials say.

As the U.S. Department of Homeland Security appoints a "border czar" to protect the United States from escalating drug cartel violence, U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents are struggling to keep up with the flow of weapons to Mexico from states such as Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

Gun dealers in those states can sell an unlimited number of rifles to anyone with a driver's license and a clean criminal record without reporting the sales to the government, the newspaper said.

Mexican authorities say that about 90 percent of the 12,000 pistols and rifles they recovered from drug dealers last year came from dealers in the United States, most of them in Texas and Arizona, with officials saying the cartels have been stocking up on U.S.-bought military assault rifles.

more:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/15/Mexican-cartels-buy-guns-from-US-dealers/UPI-32471239795150/

So, the NRA propaganda we all heard last week - saying this was bullshit - was nothing but bullshit.

[bossy22]

1. getting a bit better

they have seemed to slow down the blaming of the US for all the "automatic weapons" that the cartels have

[rrneck]

2. What's the solution? nt

[Hoopla Phil]

3. A very big wall. Is Mexico now willing to help with it?

[Hoopla Phil]

4. delete. posted in wrong place.

[jazzcat]

21. i am!

i am!

[Hoopla Phil]

5. I'd like to know the whole story here too.

The AR looks like it came from California

The old bolt actions don't look U.S. made.

The 1919 is probably U.S. made but those have been shipped all over the world since 1919 and have not been produced for a number of years. It was replaced by the M60 IIRC. I note that I have a semi auto one of these that was originally U.S. made and sent to Israel. It came back to the U.S. as a de milled parts kit that I made into a semi auto with a new right hand side plate and lots of new/modified parts.

The 50 Cal machine gun that has mistakenly been dubbed "anti-aircraft" is the same deal as the 1919.

[X_Digger]

6. You mean 90% of those submitted to BATFE

You know, those that the Federales had reason to believe were US in origin because they had an american manufacturers mark?

Do you know how many were seized and what percentage were submitted to BATFE? _high_ estimates range around 20%

meh. Go back to 9/11 conspiracies.

[rl6214]

7. What a crock of shit

"Gun dealers in those states can sell an unlimited number of rifles to anyone with a driver's license and a clean criminal record without reporting the sales to the government, the newspaper said."

How do they know they have a clean criminal record if THEY DON'T REPORT THE SALE TO THE GOVERNMENT. THEY HAD TO HAVE DONE AN NICS CHECK.


Just because the NY Times says so dosen't make it true.

I live in Texas, less than 5 miles from the border. I know EVERY gun dealer in town. You CANNOT buy any gun with just a "driver's license and a clean criminal record without reporting the sales to the government" much less "an unlimited number of rifles"

Who makes up this shit I will never know. A good fiction writer I guess.

[Tejas]

23. NY Times pulled that out of their you-know-what

Sad commentary on journalism nowadays.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

8. Drive by posting it would seem.

[jmg257]

9. Illegal Amercian guns doing work Mexican guns won't do. nt

[yay]

10. This post is BS

and it was FOX not the NRA dumbass. But I guess every pro-gun article is sponsored by the NRA amirite

90% of those GIVEN to us were traced to the U.S., but how about the guns that weren't sent back? I know for a fact that they don't send every gun they find back to the U.S.

[Statistical]

13. Exactly. However honestly was never a strong suit for the antis.

From 2007-20008:

Mexican govt recovered 29,000 firearms.
Of those only 11,000 were submitted to US for tracing (so already 18,000 non-us guns).
Of those only 6,000 had valid marking which enabled tracing by BATFE.
Of those only 5,114 originated in the US.

So 5,114 of 29,000 firearms orginated from US (mostly handguns, and semi-auto rifles).

90% of firearms traced originated in US.
13% of all firearms recovered originted in US.

Virtually all of the heavy firepower: grenades, automatic weapons, rocket launchers, heavy machine guns, true select fire assault rifles are either UNAVAILABLE in the US or simply insanely expensive so they are purchased outside the US.

Retail price for new AK-47 made in China = $300 USD
Price for same AK-47 in US: $18,200 USD.
Why? Because of 1986 ban they are incredibly rare. Nobody would sell it for "retail".

So if drug lords can buy AK-47 by the case for $300 a pop why would they buy a collectable from us for $18,200.

Same goes for M-16/M-4. New in bulk cost about $900. Legal class III M-16 runs about $12,000 - $15,000 IF you can even find a seller.

[TheWraith]

11. And yet they're still unwilling to submit more than a tiny fraction of them for tracing.

Which is more likely: that the Mexican drug cartels have no better way to get guns than to buy expensive semi-automatic rifles at retail in the US? Or that Mexico is trying to spread around the blame for the fact that they have less than no border security to speak of?

Are the rocket launchers coming in from the US too? How about the machine guns? Grenades?

[jmg257]

12. Are these the same officials who were saying how 'boxes of automatic military weapons' are coming

from those same US dealers?

Now, why wouldn't I trust much of what they had to say.

:shrug:

[scrinmaster]

14. "Mexican authorities say"

And we are supposed to believe them? Maybe they should offer some sort of proof of their statement. Oh, and not bitch so much when the US tries to actually enforce the border.

[yay]

15. Troll

Just here to stir up shit, he hasn't even come back to defend himself or article. Course I've noticed that about this poster, makes a claim and when he's called out on it he dissapears.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

16. He knows it's not true.

[one-eyed fat man]

17. he is amazed............

The Mexican Federales give the ATF some Smith & Wesson revolvers and they are able to trace 90% back to Springfield, Massachusetts! Sherlock Holmes and CSI ain't got a thing on them boys!

I'll bet most of the Colt's are traced to Hartford, Connecticut. Maybe some of the Colt's came from Patterson, New Jersey, but Texas was still part of Mexico then.

[Statistical]

19. AMAZIN what them darn compooter can do! n/t

[yay]

20. Even more so with fancyshmancy interweb that al gore invented.

[one-eyed fat man]

22. unfortunately

the President was just on CNN stating ".........90% of the Mexican drug cartels' guns come from the United States."

The Attorney General, the Secretary of State, and Senator Feinstein have been bleating and repeating this 90% mantra for weeks and suggesting renewing the expired assault weapons will disarm the Mexican drug cartels.

[one-eyed fat man]

18. what part of Arizona is

Tula in?

[Tejas]

24. I'll Take It !!!!!!!!

:rofl:


AG Holder probably thinks you can get those at Gander Mountain.

[one-eyed fat man]

25. who knows?

Since that Tula manufactured AKS-74U is still in service with Ukrainian military units of the MNB (E) contingent, stationed near Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, maybe it was the source of the "sniper fire" HRC dodged during her visit.:hide:

[Endangered Specie]

26. I have an idea... you know that wall they always talked about building...

they should build TWO

Mexico builds one on its border to keep out guns and cash
We build one on our border to keep out the drugs and illegal aliens.

Would provide a nice public works (ie JOBS) project for both nations, and solve a problem we both have and are both responsible for.