Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

SCOTUS says govt. is not obligated to protect an individual & that corporations are like individuals

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:23 PM
Original message
SCOTUS says govt. is not obligated to protect an individual & that corporations are like individuals
for many purposes.

Why then should congress consider protecting a corporation's ships with our military or other govt. forces when govt. ignores the millions of citizens who it does not protect from violent crime?

If self-defense is the personal responsibility for each individual, why isn't it the personal responsibility for each corporation?

Related DU thread, “Captain once held by pirates urges military protection, armed crews”

IMO this is clearly a proper topic for DU's Guns forum even though guns are not mentioned because the fundamental issue is the civil right RKBA where firearms or guns are just one of the group of all arms that SCOTUS says is protected by the Second Amendment for self-defense.

The issue also raises the issue of "civil rights for individuals" enumerated and protected by our Constitution versus "civil rights for corporations" that are not recognized in that Constitution.

"And the only jobs left were in the U.S. Foreign Legion, defending the worldwide assets of those who had taken the people's jobs and stolen the people's government." (quote from DU thread "From the BuzzFlash mailbag,")
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
1. Consider any armed foreign national in this country is an "invader" by definition. Same is true
all over the world. That's why piracy is an international issue.

Another situation would be safe rooms on the ships.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Do you believe govt. is obligated to protect a corporation but not an individual? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. The Coast Guard comes to the aid of private boats every day... so what's the deal
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Helping a boat AFTER an emergency is different from protecting a ship BEFORE an attack. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. That's the way it works ... I can't ask for a police escort every time I go to the store.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. Jebus, arm the crews already!
I keep hearing this nonsense that companies don't want to arm the crew for liability reasons.


IMO unarmed crews are a much greater liability, in several ways.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Sorry, nope. Can't have armed foreigners in the country. Next, we need to make safe
the Somali coast from corporate dumping. You simply can't just kill everybody. Happy people don't pirate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. While you figure out how to make Somalia a place where shiny, happy people only hold hands.....
our merchant sailors need to be able to defend themselves. A couple 870's stored in the captain's quarters would have easily enabled the crew to put down this hijacking.

Get back to me when you get everything else sorted out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Giving the authority to execute people on the high seas is NOT a good idea.
who certifies the qualified people to kill others. Like most simpleton solutions it fails ... you have to think it through on both sides of the problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 01:21 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC