Girl aged 17 knifes 30 men to death

[JonQ]

A GYMSLIP murderess aged just 17 was being held last night for knifing THIRTY men to death.
The schoolgirl stunned cops by owning up to a serial killing spree that started when she was a 15-year-old.
She told detectives she wanted to confess before she turned 18 and could be tried as an adult.
The girl - too young even to be named - said she began targeting men in her home city of Sao Paulo, Brazil "for money, revenge and to bring justice". She even SMILED as she reeled off her list of victims - which is feared to make her the world's most prolific teenage serial killer. She calmly bragged to police: "I don't have enough courage to hold a gun - but I can hold a knife.

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Source: The Sun, UK
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2592734/Girl-aged-17-knifes-30-men-to-death.html

[gatorboy]

1. Kill Bill Part 1

[hlthe2b]

2. At her age and knowing what happens to kids on the streets

of Sao Paulo, I have to think there was impetus for her becoming such a ruthless murderer... Sad, all the way around...

[kegler14]

3. Good Lord, you're defending 30 murders!!!!!!!

According to the article she has a family and is a "schoolgirl." So now tell me again what on the streets might have driven her to kill 30 people?

[hlthe2b]

6. Can you read? Where in any of my brief words do you construe

that I am defending her? Reading comprehension is not taught much in the schools, I gather. :eyes:

Would it help if I slowly repeat... sloowwwly repeat........ RUTHLESS MURDERER...... RUTHLESS MURDERER.....

Is it sinking in yet, hon?

[Th1onein]

8. I don't think that the poster is "defending" the murderess.

But, unlike conservatives, we liberals like to be able to name facts. We are curious that way, you know? (Unlke a certain incurious president we know.) Certainly, naming a possible motivation behind the crimes is an attempt to get to the facts, not defend the indefensible.

[comtec]

9. I will... but it depends

pedophiles?
people who beat the crap out of kids for their lunch money?
gangsters that terrorized the neighborhood?

I would actually like to know her reasons before we condemn her to hell.
the blood will never wash from her hands.
she has to live with it every waking and dreaming moment of her remaining life.

I won't condemn her actions until i know the reason why a 15 year old girl killed so many people.

Besides, everyone deserves a zealous advocate, even the sick and twisted.

flame away.

[kegler14]

11. I will condemn her actions no matter what. Period.

[hlthe2b]

16. Your undeserved sanctimony aside, no one on this thread has

failed to condemn her actions.

[kegler14]

25. I guess you failed to read comtec's post that I rep[lied to.

[comtec]

29. No you just decided to ignore where im holding judgment until i know the facts

circumstances cause people to change.
sometimes brutally.
and what were the offenses these men perpetrated?
I don't believe I said she should not be punished.
she should
I just want to know why.

And you point out down thread she was smiling... why?
aside from being chilling to the bone I want to know why?

[kegler14]

48. I don't mind finding out why BUT

anybody who's this warped at age 17 needs to go bye-bye for the rest of her life, IF she had indeed killed 30 people. Prison or the nuthouse -- doesn't matter to me. That's a pretty damn easy judgment to make.

[kegler14]

26. She has to live with it? She dopesn't seem too upset right now.

From the story: "She even SMILED as she reeled off her list of victims."

[kegler14]

10. OK, let's try again. NOTHING that might have happened to her on the streets

is a legitimate "impetus" for murdering 30 people. IMO.

[hlthe2b]

13. You are a fool if you really believe the violence on the streets

does not create murderers, vigilantes, or those who believe they are acting in self-defense even if the murder of another is not proximal to the instigating event, especially in areas of Sao Paulo. To not try to understand what led this girl to murder, may well allow propagation of dozens more like her.

[Ready4Change]

56. Just because something is a reason, doesn't mean it's an excuse.

I got a speeding ticket when I was in a hurry. My hurry was the reason I was speeding, but it wasn't a good enough excuse for me to avoid a ticket.

Terrible things happening to her might be the reason she killed. Doesn't mean she's excused for all 30 slayings, imo.

[Statistical]

12. Did you read the article.... she killed one guy because he threw a drink at her in a bar brawl.

Now I don't recommend splashing a drink on anyone but the acceptable remedy isn't butchering them.

[hlthe2b]

14. So forget the trial.. take the newspaper at faith... Get your

lynching committee together. We all know that newspapers are a mecca for the facts....:eyes:


The vehemence of some on this thread evokes the same emotion and passion for revenge that might well have created this murderess... Ironic, isn't it?


Has it occurred to you that she may be schizophrenic? Now, I know the newspaper has all the facts, but just consider....

[Statistical]

18. Who said anything about forget the trial or lynching.

Nice pair of strawmen you have there.



It is fun to make up arguments and then "win" by knocking them down.

[hlthe2b]

19. You take at faith the newspaper's account of a splashed drink

precipitating the murder of at least that one man. You then go on to conclude "she killed one guy because he threw a drink at her in a bar brawl" .

So you have convicted her based on a poorly written news story. No straw man there--only your own words.

[Statistical]

20. It was her words.

She admitted to killing a man over splashing a drink.

Now maybe she is lying but until disproven I will take HER WORD at face value.

[hlthe2b]

21. The mentally ill will likewise admit to killing over trite issues

as might the developmentally disabled or brain damaged or those who have been tortured. Do you advocate taking their "word" at face value? :eyes:


I prefer to let the facts come out.. I guess I'm "funny" that way.

[Statistical]

23. Yup that is what I said.

BURN THE WITCH!

You winz. We are done.

[hlthe2b]

24. Well, there you go...

[Euromutt]

54. Dude, it IS the Sun...

The Sun is rather well known for--shall we say?--embellishing stories with entertaining details that have later been shown to be total fabrications. I'm willing to buy the basic thrust (no pun intended) of this story, to wit "teenage Brazilian girl kills 30-odd men over 2-year period" but that's as far as I'm willing to take it on faith.

[paulsby]

60. that;s why admissions against interest are hearsay exceptions

because they have a high degree of reliability. what she said is just stupid enough to have the ring of truth, as ironic as it sounds.

fwiw, i'm all about learning the facts of the case, her background, etc. it's going ot be a fascinating story . a 17 yr old serial killer.

i come from the serial killer capital of the US (pacific NW..!!!!) and she certainly does not fit the mold.

heck, i'd like to see hormone and blood profile tests on her (what's her t levels, oxytocin, etc.).

but the idea that ANYTHING in her background could lead one to conclude anything else than that she is a complete piece of human garbage...

this wasn't a crime of passion/ she killed 30 people over a protracted period.

is she a sociopath? god only knows at this point. but she is clearly scum

[kegler14]

27. Schizophrenia generally doesn't cause sufferers to kill 30 people.

It's also not considered an acceptable insanity defense. A mitigating factor maybe, but you're still going to prison or the nuthouse for life. And deservedly so.

[hlthe2b]

30. One would think all mitigating factors would be of interest

to some on this board who imply that they just want to fry this young girl (or lock her up forever). As I have said before, she requires justice, but society needs answers. We do not want to miss the potential to intervene before many more like her are created.

[kegler14]

47. I never said we shouldn't try to understand what happened

at least for criminal behavoiral research purposes, but if this girl did indeed kill 30 men, she needs to be put away for good -- for justice and for the safety of the rest of us.

[GreenEyedLefty]

4. Kook with a knife, kook with a gun. Same difference.

[dugaresa]

5. I think she should be tried as an adult and put away forever

the idea that she is smart enough to think of playing the system by using her age is scary.

[baldguy]

7. This has nothing to do with anything.

The fact that she used knives indicates she was comfortable using them; if she came from a gun-obsessed cowboy culture, she would've been comfortable using guns.

This has nothing to do with anything, and it shows a great deal of stupidity that you're trying to propagate the lie that gun laws don't work by citing the actions of a psychopath.

[SteveM]

15. You miss the point...

"The actions of the psychopath" is the key, guns or knives are merely the instrument.

I don't think the OP was "propagating a lie." What the OP was showing is that anyone who has a willingness and disposition to kill will do so regardless of what ______control/prohibition is in place.

I do note a history of posts here which suggest that gun-related murders are caused by lax gun laws. Have you seen them?

BTW, I don't think gun laws work.

[baldguy]

32. You miss the point

A gun would've made it a whole lot easier for her. That's what they're designed for.

[JonQ]

35. Except that she was afraid of guns

apparently they're dangerous, unlike knives.

Of course a bag or two of fertilizer and a few hours on the internet would have made things even more simple, and impressive.

[SteveM]

37. Sorry, no dice:

She probably would have been found out after the first or second murder using a gun (noise and all). But a knife? Pretty quite, even more concealable than a gun, cheaper -- and designed for a lot more, so it is not as suspicious.

You seem to rely a lot on the notion that a gun is designed only for killing. Do you have a point with this?

[JonQ]

38. Also if she had used a gun

this would all be a tragedy and a real crime. The cops would have been out in full force to catch her.

But a knife? Who cares, that's barely even news.

[Statistical]

41. Actually guns are noisy and knives are silent.

It is entirely possible the reason why she got away with 30 murders in an urban enviroment was the silent method of killing.

Likely she took the victims somewhere secluded (possibly their residence), killed them, and then left without anyone knowing until much later than a murder had occurred.

[rrneck]

45. Knives are quiet, more portable and easier to get.

It took her two or three years to kill thirty people and she decided to turn herself in. She could have killed a lot more. You're correct in that a mass shooting would be more efficient, but gunning down groups of people will get you busted right quick if you don't shoot yourself in the process.

[AtheistCrusader]

61. Knives are quiet.

Guns aren't. I highly doubt she'd have pulled off 30 murders with a gun.

Two kids acting together with multiple firearms in a confined, target-rich space killed less than half. Virginia Tech was the only one that comes to mind that comes even close.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Would you say the easy availability of knives emboldened her?

You know, like the easy availability of pipes emboldened the guy who clouted the mayor
of Minneapolis recently?

[hwmnbn]

17. That must be one sturdy knife....

You'd think one of the men could've managed to escape.

[comtec]

28. Just curious... why was this posted under guns?

This should probably be in GD.

[JonQ]

31. I just thought it would be an interesting

riposte to the usual arguments found in the gun forums.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. trust me --

you would get a bigger bang (!) for your buck in GD.

[JonQ]

36. Maybe

I don't think I can change it now.

But the last few things I put in GD were ignored. The gun section seems to give more consistent, if lower results.

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[Scout]

39. hmmmmm, i thought us little wimmin didn't stand a chance against those big

ol' men without a gun!

[JonQ]

40. That argument is used for instances of self-defense

and yes, generally a man is larger than a woman, so when a woman is being attacked by a man being unarmed puts her at a significant disadvantage.

That argument is not used to encourage female serial killers who attack men by surprise who are not threatening them.

But to counter with an often used argument from the grabbers: why didn't these men simply call the cops? I thought they were all knowing and all powerful and would immediately show up to save the day (thus alleviating the need for self-defense).

[Statistical]

42. To bad she didn't have a gun....

ever gun grabber "knows" how easy it is to take a gun from someone. Guess that doesn't apply to knives though.

[JonQ]

44. Only criminals can snatch guns away that quick

victims can't, they are helpless against the lightening speed of the murderers.

Had any of them been armed she would have effortless taken the gun away and used it on them.

[Statistical]

46. Ah. Thanks for correcting me. Important info for everyone to know. n/t

[proteus_lives]

50. On average, you don't.

Guns are a great asset to women's self-defense.

[frebrd]

43. Why is this in the Guns Forum?

:shrug:

[baldguy]

51. The OP is trying, unsuccessfully, to dismiss & denigrate the need for gun control laws.

As if the case of a psychologically troubled young woman in Brazil should have any bearing on the endemic misinterpretation of the US Constitution that gun-worshipers suffer under in America.

It's called "grasping at straws".

[Scout]

52. yup

don't forget quite a few sneer at iverglas because a CANADIAN dares to discuss US gun policy!

ergo, what does a case from Brazil have to do with anything?

[beevul]

57. Not quite.

"don't forget quite a few sneer at iverglas because a CANADIAN dares to discuss US gun policy!"

Well, maybe a few do, but most "sneerers" sneer at that poster for HOW she chooses to discuss US gun policy.


Nice try though.

[Scout]

58. are you the spoke-sneerer for them all? n/t

[beevul]

59. Not at all...

I do however notice that she gets what she gives, after she gives, it in most cases.


Are you really going to contend otherwise?

[JonQ]

53. So are you pro-knife murders?

Because I'm not hearing any demands to ban knives. Which, following the same logic used on other gun threads, proves that you favor people being stabbed to death all to fulfill some sick fetish you have, probably relating to your tiny penis.

Why do you worship knives and place them above humans?

These military style assault knives (some with black, rubberized handles and even bayonet attachments) have no place in civilized society, they only serve the purpose of killing. They can be concealed, have a built in silencer and frankly we can get along without them. Just imagine if your child were to get a hold of one of these weapons?

This woman is as much the victim here as anyone else. Yes, she is the victim of a pervasive knife culture that places cutlery above humanity.

[Endangered Specie]

55. to show that having strict gun control laws (such as in Brazil) will not stop criminals

and psychopaths from killing people.

[proteus_lives]

49. Good lord, is this for real?

If so, this pyscho needs to be in jail for the rest of her life.