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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:05 PM Original message |
Brady Campaign gives California high marks but murder and robbery rates |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. well.... pass out guns and see if those numbers fall |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The "shall issue" concealed carry permit worked well in Florida... |
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divideandconquer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Gun hating New York City seems to be doing a good job cutting violence |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. New York City and the drop in crime rate is fascinating... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Chicago not on the list? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Give credit to more and better policing |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Am I first in coining the term "the 'arm everyone' canard"? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oooh! Ammoland...A TRUSTED news source... |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Check the UCR |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Far more reliable than the main stream media... |
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divideandconquer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Any proof the media calls any rifle an AK-47? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sure... |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I've seen them do it NT |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I notice that recently the media (msnbc)... |
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divideandconquer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The gun nut up the street brags about his "AK-47", it's semiautomatic |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. But one can actually go offroad without getting stuck |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Bingo. It's a huge difference in functionality. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Were there any imported before 1986? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I don't know for sure, but I would assume that there have to be some. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Yup, there are some that pop up |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. There are a few I have seen some for sale however the numbers are likely in the few hundreds. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Or the difference between a Humvee and a 4x4 truck. (n/t) |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. It's those few parts that make a very important difference |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. More like the difference between a Baja 1000 race truck and a 2WD 4-cylinder Tacoma |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. But it's easier to find good magazines for NT |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
58. Few parts? Maybe the whole receiver? (nt) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. how about the common lies spread about non-existent lies |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. It's fair to add the statement "up to 20 years of age":... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. you know, deceit doesn't really help |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I didn't think you would like my answer or my sources... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Additionally, there's the Brady Campaign's current website |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Thanks for pointing that out, I don't usually visit the Brady Campaign's... |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. Those wacky folks at brady... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. "So interesting, that they grade based on gun laws" |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. A more apt analogy |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. nope |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. yep |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Excellent point. Brady does not measure the desired effect--lower crime rates-- |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. thermometers don't measure weight |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. To you, maybe. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Regarding their name: |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Personally, I'd have a lot more respect for their cause... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Bingo |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Unfortunately to her |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. unfortunately for the world |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Well I did tell you to get a new |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. And there we have it...A confirmation of sorts... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. nope |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Lordamighty, I KNOW you aren't that thick. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. nice, eh? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Fair enough... |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. But what does the NRA-ILA claim as its objective? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. So are you admitting that the brady bunch |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. so you hold the truth in complete contempt |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Yawn |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. 'The grades are ABOUT gun laws. What the fuck else would they be "based on"?' |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. That sums it up neatly. (n/t) |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. I guess Prohibition would be a success by the Bradyite's standards |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
25. The Brady Campaign has never claimed that its "grades" have anything to do with actual public safety |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
47. They sure as hell imply it, though |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
28. Citing those stats won't make a bit of difference to them |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
61. The Brady Campaign would be better off to insist that existing laws... |
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