Guns are bad.

[newtothegame]

Guns are bad. Guns should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on guns, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have guns at all. No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun. So much worse.

[A HERETIC I AM]

1. MMM Kay? n/t

[Craftsman]

2. I own guns and vote

Deal with it.

[meegbear]

3. How many guns did you win?

[A HERETIC I AM]

5. Edited. The joke no longer applies. n/t

[crim son]

8. I think he invested part of his winnings in chemical refreshments. n/t

[meegbear]

35. For those playing at home, the post did say " I won guns and vote" ...

hence, the humoresque line about how may did you win.

We all had a jolly good laugh.

[slackmaster]

41. Ah, thanks. I've never won a gun, but I did win a nice prize in the raffle at a gun shoot.

A two-day edged weapons training class at the Front Site Institute in Pahrump, Nevada. It was a hoot, and I did learn a lot.

[cowman]

54. Hey hey

my home town

[TexasObserver]

4. Gungeon bound.

[crim son]

6. True. Having someone besides the shooter with a gun

yesterday in TX made it so much better.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. The argument is that if the victims had guns on them they could have defended themselves

so that we don't need fewer guns... we need more.


Yes, it is bull shit but there it is. Your sensible argument won't work.

[Captain Hilts]

11. Odd for someone with a MLK avatar. If MLK had had a firearm...nt

[Euromutt]

49. MLK applied for a concealed carry permit

Of course, this was when the decision was left to the discretion of the local chief LEO, who was naturally some redneck who decided that King didn't have a pressing need to carry a firearm. Fanni Lou Hamer attributed the fact the no Klansman ever attacked her house to the fact that she let it be known that she kept "a shotgun in every corner of the bedroom."

Refusing to use lethal force to pursue your political objectives is not incompatible with being willing to use lethal force to protect your own life and limb.

[SteveM]

51. Yeah, another gun-controller uses Eleanor's avatar. She packed (nt)

[spin]

45. Military bases are basically gun free zones...

gun free zones are basically

[Captain Hilts]

9. Whether this is sarcasm or not, I wish you'd change your avatar if you're going to stir this up.

[Craftsman]

10. "Fear of weapons is a sign of a sexually immature mind." - Sigmund Freud

[AlinPA]

15. If I were staring down the barrel of a gun aimed at my face I wouldn't care about sexual maturity.

[villager]

16. Ah, the usual Freud misattribution:

"This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner"

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud#Misattributed

[Howardx]

18. not a freud quote

"This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner"


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud

[SteveM]

55. I prefer a quote from James A. Swan...

From In Defense of Hunting:

"Sigmund Freud helped us understand how people project sexual themes onto the world around them. A gun can be just a gun, but it can also be a phallic symbol, depending on who sees it or uses it. A gun is also a symbol of personal potency, and a good marksman would be a potent person, which would mean he had high self-esteem. On the other hand, someone with an inferiority complex could want to own and use a gun to feel more powerful. Like any other symbol, one can project many different images onto it, and these images can be reflections of unconscious issues as well as conscious ones. Someone who fears gun, for example, could have healthy reasons for wanting to avoid guns, or their fears could be a deeper phobic reaction to conflicts about sexuality and repressed anger."

In Defense of Hunting, Swan, James A., PhD., Harper Collins, SF, 1995.

________________

Given the quick-on-the-draw use of phallic symbolism by anti-2A types, the "deeper phobic reaction to conflicts about sexuality and repressed anger" seems to hold most true. Put another way, he/she who first smelt it dealt it.

[spin]

57. Freud's theories are dated and widely criticized today ...

Sexuality

A more general criticism of Freud's theory is its emphasis on sexuality. Everything, both good and bad, seems to stem from the expression or repression of the sex drive. Many people question that, and wonder if there are any other forces at work. Freud himself later added the death instinct, but that proved to be another one of his less popular ideas.

First let me point out that, in fact, a great deal of our activities are in some fashion motivated by sex. If you take a good hard look at our modern society, you will find that most advertising uses sexual images, that movies and television programs often don't sell well if they don't include some titillation, that the fashion industry is based on a continual game of sexual hide-and-seek, and that we all spend a considerable portion of every day playing "the mating game." Yet we still don't feel that all life is sexual.

But Freud's emphasis on sexuality was not based on the great amount of obvious sexuality in his society -- it was based on the intense avoidance of sexuality, especially among the middle and upper classes, and most especially among women. What we too easily forget is that the world has changed rather dramatically over the last hundred years. We forget that doctors and ministers recommended strong punishment for masturbation, that "leg" was a dirty word, that a woman who felt sexual desire was automatically considered a potential prostitute, that a bride was often taken completely by surprise by the events of the wedding night, and could well faint at the thought. emphasis added

It is to Freud's credit that he managed to rise above his culture's sexual attitudes. Even his mentor Breuer and the brilliant Charcot couldn't fully acknowledge the sexual nature of their clients' problems. Freud's mistake was more a matter of generalizing too far, and not taking cultural change into account. It is ironic that much of the cultural change in sexual attitudes was in fact due to Freud's work!
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/freud.html

[NYC_SKP]

12. Pipe Bombs are bad, outlawed, etc., but people still have and use them.

People are bad. People should be outlawed.

:P

[paulsby]

64. spousal and partner abuse is bad

therefore people should be prohibited from dating or marrying

PROBLEM SOLVED

[Deep13]

13. How exactly am I part of the problem?

I've never shot anyone. I never will shoot anyone. No one will be accidentally shot because of me, because I know better.

And by "no one" I hope you mean the military and the police too.

[Howardx]

19. "No one will be accidentally shot because of me"

you can predict the future?

[Deep13]

29. I only use them in controlled environments...

...by a rigid set of rules. We have no children and none come into the house. They are never loaded anywhere but at the range, but I handle them with the assumption that they are always loaded. The purpose of that attitude is to cultivate a habit of safety. Any failure of a number of pro-safety conditions is not met and the guns stay home. In other words, if I feel tired or the weather is not suitable at the range or the gun is not clean or I forgot my ear muffs or the gun is not free from malfunction--then we don't go. If I get there and people are not obeying the range rules, I leave. I wish people were as thoughtful behind the wheels of their cars. No, there will never be an accident because safety is the default condition.

You said I was part of the problem--every individual. What did I do to promote the problem of violence, especially murder by gun?

[slackmaster]

30. Not predict, but control

It takes self-discipline.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

42. Then you are part of the problem as well.

Who is to say someone will be accidentally shot because of you.
Unless YOU can predict the future as well.

Fill in the blank: "Hypocrisy, thy name is ______."

[slackmaster]

32. I don't expect newtothegame to acknowledge allowing for military and police to have firearms

Because newtothegame is new to the game and probably thinks banning guns is a clever, original, well-considered idea.

[oneshooter]

66. I guess I am "part of the problem"

I have shot people, but they needed shooting at the time.

Of the people I have shot, non were shot accidentally. All were shot on purpose(see above).

I was a part of the military when I shot some of them (see above).

I was a private security officer when I shot others (see above).

I may have to shoot some others in the future. However, they will be needing to be shot.

Thats all I have to say about it.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[TheKentuckian]

14. I wouldn't give mine up and I'm a liberal.

What do you think the reaction would be from the teabaggers?

[kenny blankenship]

17. Darn it Bing! The Magnum is the car gun and it stays in the car...

I don't want that in the house. My house gun is already in the house and stays in the house.

...And Gungeon crap trollers stay in the Gungeon.

[winyanstaz]

20. I predict many more shootings and mass murders as more people...

reach the breaking point.
We live in a very stressful time and it is about to get worse as this mess continues.
The sooner we set up organizations to help each other through this mess, the sooner we will get out the other side.
People need hope.

[PavePusher]

47. Our current problems are no more onerous than historical ones.

Stop using cop-outs.

The guns are not the problem.

[old mark]

70. More people are licensed to carry firearms NOW than any time in our history,

and violent crime is at a 28 year low.

Perhaps your predictions are incorrect.

mark

[Possumpoint]

21. How Many Did You Convince To Get Rid of Their Guns?

One, none, your argument is empty in that guns are a tool. The tool can be used for either both good or evil. It can be used just for fun. It is up to the person welding the tool to determin it's use. Blame the person not the tool.

[Bucky]

22. What a tiresome post. What a useless bit of opinionating while people are mourning.

Sarcasm really isn't helpful at a time like this.

[Lucian]

23. MM'kay.

[liberaltrucker]

24. Someone besides the shooter DID have a gun

IT'S A FUCKING ARMY BASE!!!!

Sheesh!

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

36. An armed MP stopped Hasan.

:hi:

[madinmaryland]

25. Popcorn anyone?

:popcorn:

[Pavulon]

26. Lets make a deal. When you win the drug war.

and banned drugs can no longer be delivered by messenger then lets talk gun ban. Get to work!

[slackmaster]

27. It's not going to happen. Forget about it.

:nuke: & U

No one should have guns because if you do you’re only part of the problem.

No doubt you would make exceptions for certain government employees. BTW I own more than 50 functional firearms and I am not part of the problem. So there.

Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a gun.

It appears to have escaped your attention that the shooter at Fort Hood was stopped by someone with a gun. A very brave woman with a gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6945555

[DonP]

28. WTF are you talking about?

So in your mind it's much better to wait quietly to be executed than to even think of trying to defend yourself and family?

Man, that is just suicide by ignorance.

But iof you've figured out a way to repeal the 2nd amendment good luck!

As for laws, we already have over 20,000 of them. Which one do you want to add, or just a total ban on everything and magically the criminal and gang members will turn them all in?

[friendly_iconoclast]

31. Spree killers are bad

mmkay?

[billh58]

33. Depends on the

skill level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD-KaUl_olo

[valerief]

37. You are sooooo right. nt

:thumbsup:

[guardian]

38. idiots are bad

Idiots are bad. Idiots should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on idiots, this kind of thing wouldn’t be posted in forums because there would be no idiots. No idiot should have post opinions in forums because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if idiots had posted more comments. So much worse.

[Hoopla Phil]

39. What are the odds that the OP never returns to this post?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. Another drive by.

[spin]

46. About the same as the Tampa Bay Bucs winning the Super Bowl...(n/t)

[AtheistCrusader]

43. Forgot the sarcasm tag?

[spin]

44. Some people with guns are bad, some are good...

guns are not the problem as they are inanimate objects.

[Spoonman]

48. Religious zealots are bad

Religious zealots are bad. Religious zealots should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on religious zealots, this kind of thing wouldn't’t happen because we would have no religious zealots all.
:sarcasm:


:wtf:
I guess the Constitution and Bill of Rights are not part of your America?

[SteveM]

50. The cat crept into the crypt, crapped, then crept out again (nt)

[jazzhound]

52. Zombies are bad.

Zombies are bad. Zombies should be outlawed. If we had more restrictions on zombies, this kind of thing wouldn’t happen because no one would have zombies at all. No one should have zombies because if you do you’re only part of the problem. Just imagine how much worse this would have been today or yesterday if someone besides the shooter had a zombie. So much worse.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

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[oneshooter]

67. Zombies are outlawed, they just don't know it!. n/t

[slackmaster]

56. Except of course...

For guns used by government employees, no doubt.

[spin]

58. My daughter is alive today ...

because she had access to a firearm and was able to stop an intruder who was breaking into our home with a burglar alarm sounding and a 60 pound black Lab inside.

She pointed a large caliber revolver at the intruder as he was halfway through a sliding glass door he was forcing open. He ran. No shots were fired.

Guns are neither good or bad. They are inanimate tools incapable of good or evil. The user determines the end result. They can be used to commit crime and they can be used to stop crime.

We wouldn't have a crime problem if we just banned and eliminated people.

[jazzhound]

59. A friend of mine told me recently that a lady-friend of his was buying a

revolver. She recently found evidence of a failed break-in attempt at her home, and has hooked up with a gun owning friend of hers to purchase a revolver. I passed along some info. to my friend to pass along to her, and told him to tell her that I'm always impressed when I see that not all women have bought into the misogynistic notion that women are incapable of handling firearms.

[spin]

60. I know a number of women who are armed ...

but than I live in rural North Florida where firearms are as common as trees.

[jazzhound]

61. btw, spin --- sounds like your daughter has the benefit

of a good Dad. Glad to hear that she avoided the consequences of a successful attack.

[spin]

62. I started taking her to the range when she was 9 or 10 ...

I'm sure glad I did.

[shadowrider]

69. My daughter carries a .380 for personl protection

I know, it's not the pinnacle of self-defense weapons but it's small enough to be carried in her purse. Besides, if a bad guy sees the barrel of a gun, whether it's a .380 or a .44 mag Desert Eagle, chances are he's gonna run and go in search of an easy target (read: unarmed).

BTW, she can outshoot her husband with his Desert Eagle.

[proteus_lives]

63. Joke post?

Has to be.

[aikoaiko]

65. Wow, you've really thought this through.

:sarcasm:

[ENDIF]

68. Even though I know you're trolling..

.. I actually see arguments this pathetic on a regular basis, and held despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.