City yields, allows guns at annual Ford Arts, Beats & Eats festival in suburban Detroit

[hack89]

ROYAL OAK, Mich. — Royal Oak officials have voted to allow licensed handgun owners to openly carry their weapons at a popular Detroit-area summer arts festival.

Commissioners on Monday night struck down a contract clause between the Ford Arts, Beats & Eats festival and the city about 10 miles north-northwest of Detroit that prohibited guns at the annual Labor Day weekend event.

Residents and public safety officials for weeks had expressed safety concerns. Proponents said state law and the Second Amendment allow a person who is licensed to carry a firearm, holstered and in plain sight.

Festival organizer Jon Witz said he supported the commission's decision.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jPentoqsX3bO83kjcZ0G4oZpQAzw

[FunkyLeprechaun]

1. Well, public safety lost out again

*sigh*

[cowman]

2. Public safety lost out again

Why?

[FunkyLeprechaun]

5. The more guns in public

The chances increased of an innocent person getting shot.

[cowman]

6. Pure and unadulterated bullshit

which has been debunked here over and over again. There are 80+ million guns here in the U.S. and yet violent crime, including murder and accidental shootings, are decreasing, now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that more guns=less crime but more guns certainly doesn't mean more crime or accidental shootings. You might want to get off that non issue and try something else.
Now here in the U.S., we have what is called a Constitution and the Bill of Rights and in that Bill of Rights is what is called the 2nd Amend to the BofR which states, and 2 recent supreme court decisions have affirmed it, that we have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Now if you don't like that Amend. feel free to try to change it, good luck with that and let me know how it went.

[slackmaster]

7. Let's see some verifiable research to support that claim, Funky.

I won't hold my breath waiting for a meaningful answer.

[armueller2001]

8. If that were true, it's amazing

They allow police officers to gather in large groups for banquets and other events. Because more guns means more people getting shot, right?

[shadowrider]

18. Come on armueller, don't you know the police and military are the ONLY ones to be trusted with guns?

They have training.

:sarcasm:

[Bold Lib]

11. Can you back that up with any facts or statistics?

If so please provide a link.

[cleanhippie]

15. You may FEEL that way, but the data and evidence does not support your FEELINGS.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Still rocking the faith-promoting rumours, eh?

Psst, a hint for you:

Restating an untruth doesn't make it any more valid.

[proteus_lives]

25. Wow.

:eyes:

[jazzhound]

29. Competing for The Mendacious Poster of the Year Award?

[PavePusher]

4. Please demonstrate where legal carry of firearms...

has been a statistically significant safety problem.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. Do you feel the same way when nieghborhoods integrate?

[oneshooter]

10. Why should it matter to you? You live in the Utopia that the UK has become. n/t

[jazzhound]

13. If there were truly a relationship between public safety

and the number of people carrying concealed weapons, do you really think that the number of states that have loosened their restrictions on concealed carry would have increased so dramatically since 1986?

Try reasoning sometime. It really isn't as painful as you apparently think it is.

[cleanhippie]

14. No, it didn't, not even a little.

[shadowrider]

19. Tell ya what, let's count the number of incidents initiated by LEGAL owners at this festival

and see if facts bear you out.

You name the stakes. I say less than 2, you agree to 2 or more.

What's it gonna be?

[one-eyed fat man]

23. Wait, wait,, isn't this like there?

As for the UK, it strikes me as quite hilarious.

After the 1997 ban more than 160,000 previously legal handguns were quickly surrendered because all loyal subjects of the Crown had duly registered them with the police. On the other hand, the Home Office spent another dozen years "negotiating" with both the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries to decommission their weapons! What a hoot, sanction otherwise peaceable and loyal subjects with prison and fines, but make nice with thugs, blackguards and hooligans.

So up until June 2009, when both the UVF and Red Hand Commando announced that they had started a process of decommissioning, if you wanted to own a handgun in the UK you needed to be a member of a Irish terrorist paramilitary organization.

Decommissioning in Northern Ireland

And on the subject of things Irish:

A shillelagh is a wooden walking stick and cudgel, traditionally made from blackthorn with a large knob at the top. The wood would be smeared with butter and placed up a chimney to cure, giving the Shillelagh its typical black shiny appearance. Hollowed at the heavy "hitting" end and filled with molten lead to increase the weight the shillelagh is associated with Ireland and a symbol of stereotypical violent Irish behavior.

It's worked for a good thousand years.

[proteus_lives]

24. Rights won again.

Sigh.....

[Remmah2]

3. The city didn't yield to anything.

They just recognized that the second amendment is as equal as all the other amendments.

[Euromutt]

16. Actually, they did

They yielded to democratically enacted state law, which said they couldn't do what they were trying to do.

Remember folks, democracy is the will of the majority with respect for the rights of the minority.

[Remmah2]

21. Considering

Considering that only a minority ever show up at the polls your statement is incorrect.

[Bold Lib]

12. Another victory for the Constitution. Great news!

[Euromutt]

17. And the Rule of Law in general

What I found most troubling about this affair was the idea that government could circumvent citizens' rights by renting private property to a private entity. That would have been one ugly precedent.

[shadowrider]

20. Not to be a stickler, but don't you mean PUBLIC entity renting to a private entity?

[Euromutt]

27. Yes, I did; thank you for catching that

It should indeed have read "renting public property to a private entity."

[shadowrider]

28. No problem. I are the resident spellre and grammer cop

as well as finding redundant statements which are redundantly redundant.

[Euromutt]

30. I haz badge 4 U

[proteus_lives]

26. Good news!

:thumbsup:

[PavePusher]

31. More information.

OpenCarry.org calls on Michigan legislature to repeal open carry requirements at schools, bars, etc.

August 24th, 2010 8:38 pm ET.As unlikley as it might seem, OpenCarry.org, the hub of the American open carry movement, has come out against government mandates requiring open carry. The issue bubbled up amidst recent howls by the Metro Detroit political class lamenting Michigan Open Carry Inc.'s victory in securing gun carry rights at the upcoming Arts, Beats and Eats 2010 festival in the City of Royal Oak.

It turned out that Royal Oak's contract with the festival organizers called for banning both open and concealed carry at the festival. Further investigation revealed that Michigan law actually requires Michigan's Concealed Pistol License holders to open carry at bars, schools, and certain other venues.

OpenCarry.org's press release has more.


http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-washington-dc/opencarry-org-calls-on-michigan-legislature-to-repeal-open-carry-requirements-at-schools-bars-etc


http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf