Movement under way to let Floridians openly tote their guns

[shadowrider]

So you are walking down Park Avenue, window shopping for all the stuff you once could afford, and suddenly coming down the sidewalk you see three gunslingers.

It's like the Wild West except they're drinking lattes, and instead of six-shooters, they have Glocks clipped to their matching Gucci belts.

Would this bother you?

Well, it could happen because the "open carry'' movement has come to Florida.

Open carry means just that. Any law-abiding citizen is allowed to openly carry a handgun.

Advocates are pushing for legislation allowing it and are armed with a statement of support from Republican gubernatorial candidate Rick Scott.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/os-mike-thomas-open-carry-102110-20101020,0,7619137.column

[shadowrider]

1. It'll be the wild west I tell ya, blood in the streets

Just like in Vermont. Oh, wait. Nevermind

It'll be just like Arizona. Oh, wait. Nevermind

:hide:

[ileus]

91. just like VA and WV...oh wait nevermind.

[Ezlivin]

2. That'll make Disney World much more lively

I'll head to the World of Tomorrow while you cover me from Main Street.

[shadowrider]

3. Even if this passes, Disney is a private entity that can ban them

I have no problem with that. No need for me to cover you.

[madrchsod]

4. i have always thought this was a great idea.

i never understood why anyone would want to conceal a weapon. you would lose valuable seconds trying to get the weapon out and into firing position. kudo's to florida!

[shadowrider]

5. When seconds count, the police are minutes away n/t

[NewMoonTherian]

6. I've always been conflicted on this.

I agree that open carry saves time and motion in bringing the weapon to the ready, but I know that in some respects(and in some situations) it's preferable to keep it out of sight. It boils down to the way you feel the most comfortable, and I can't wait until open carry reaches Oklahoma. I expect it to pass easily next spring.

[Pavulon]

7. Umm it takes the same time to draw from concealed as it does a quality retention

holster. Concealed is the preferred way to carry, I have nothing against OC but dont see an application for it.

[PavePusher]

8. "don't see an application for it."?????

Uummmm, what? Seriously?:shrug:

[Pavulon]

17. I prefer to carry concealed. Given the choice I would prefer to be concealed

because I have the final call to be involved or leave. It also does not make me a target. I have nothing against OC but given the choice of one or the other ccw is an easy call.

[PavePusher]

22. Your choice, of course.

I was only implying that none of the "reasons" against O.C. (other than personal preference) stand up when the evidence is examined.

[Dappleganger]

29. No, it doesn't.

With the way I've practiced and have been taught, draw time is virtually the same if you have the right holster/position and clothes on.

[Pavulon]

36. Thats what I said. Same time if you practice

and if the OC is a retention holster. IPSC contraption holsters not included in this experience of course.

[spin]

9. Depends on how and where you conceal it ...

I don't believe there is a serious difference in the time it takes to draw from a good quality retention holster carried openly on a belt as compared to a firearm concealed under a light jacket in an inside the waist band holster.

During the warm months I carry a 38 snub nosed revolver in a pocket holster in my front pants pocket. If I find myself in a suspicious environment, I causally drop my right hand into my pocket on the snubbie. I can pull the revolver faster than a person can draw from a belt holster.

[TheWraith]

87. Open carry makes you a target.

For everybody. For overzealous cops on patrol; for the people who faint at the sight of a weapon and are prone to calling the cops saying "there's a man here with a gun!"; for would-be pickpockets; and in the event that you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, for an assailant to know who the first person he needed to take out was.

I'm not saying open carry should be illegal, but I would say that for 99% of applications, concealed carry is better. The only situation where I'd openly carry a firearm was hiking.

[lapsstir]

92. Then provide evidence

that open carriers are victimized at a higher rate than others. Shouldn't be hard to do. Lots of jurisdictions, like WA and AZ allow open carry. Where's the EVIDENCE that this in fact happens. I agree that concealed carry is better, but not for the reasons mentioned.

[spin]

10. If the law passes, I'll give open carry a try ...

But that means I'll have to buy a good quality retention holster and move my fixed blade knife to my off side.

Oh well.


Bark River Classic Lite Hunter

[spin]

11. I love these comments in the article ...

Sean argued that open carry will deter crime. For example, a robber scopes out a fast-food joint and sees three customers with super-sized Sig Sauers. So he moves on.

And if everybody in Florida does it, the criminals would move to California where you only are allowed to throw your guns at them.

[RSillsbee]

12. It's not an infrequent occurrence in Colorado now

I don't see any blood in the streets here. What's the big deal?

[Hoyt]

13. Cowboys and Rambos in Chuck-E-Cheese and public parks -- Just what we need.

The pro-gun-toters are getting more ridiculous.

[PavePusher]

14. Once again...

please cite to evidence that it creates problems/crime in the 43 places where it can be/is done.

I'll go develop perpetual motion while I wait.

[shadowrider]

15. Does that perpetual motion machine make pizza and beer?

Cause if it does, I'll wait with you.

[PavePusher]

16. Dude, it's gonna do e-v-e-r-y-thing! n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

20. Once Congress further ammends the laws of physics

You can run it on hydrogen .

[Hoyt]

18. Man, strapping a gun to your leg in public is tacky -- like driving a Hummer; bad manners;

Using foul language in front of children; breaking wind in an elevator; parking in a Handicap spot when you ain't Handicapped; behaving like an arse; exposing yourself in public; . . . . . .

I think we'll all be better off without folks strapping guns to their bodies in public. It's irrational.

[rrneck]

19. Do you have

a way to defend against assault by someone who is using a knife, club, fists or feet?

Violence is always tacky.

[Hoyt]

23. Give me a break. There is not a thug behind every tree. We don't need guns strapped to our legs.

I think people who have irrational fears should not be allowed to pack -- legal or not.

[PavePusher]

27. I think people who have irrational fears should not be allowed to speak -- legal or not. n/t

[Hoyt]

32. Free Speech, Yea. Endorsing Strapping guns to extremities in public -- that's just Wrong.

[PavePusher]

40. So, public exercise of Civil Rights is good...

as long as it's a Civil Right you agree with.

Well, 43 states have O.C. That kinda limits your options, I guess.

[Hoyt]

46. Oh, lord, back to "laws." Who cares -- stapping in public is tacky.

God forbid we tell pro-toters they just need to deal with their irrational fears and leave em at home where they are ready when that "well regulated" Militia calls.

[PavePusher]

52. What is your fear?

You are the one who seems over-wrought here....

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

55. bad fashion, evidently.

n/t

[PavePusher]

56. Hey! My gun, holster, belt and shoes all match, damnit!

You can't go wrong with basic black, after all, amiright?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

60. Kydex and suede just don't work.

sorry.

[lapsstir]

95. As Wesley snipes said in Passenger 57

"always bet on black"

[Dappleganger]

30. Hopefully you will always be safe.

I have been attacked before and refuse to be an unprepared victim again. As a woman I especially think we should be prepared.

[Hoyt]

33. I was about to say, I can see women carrying guns for the reasons you mention.

Can't quarrel with that. I doubt you are like these guys and feel the need to pack an arsenal or more than you need to protect yourself. Jeeeez, these guys are debating how many split seconds they can save with a weapon strapped to their legs vs. crammed down their pants. What the heck, they sound like they are on hair triggers waiting for the highly unlikely thug to jump up and start blasting away. That I think is different. Anyway, stay safe.

[spin]

48. In a life and death encounter, seconds count ...

Many of those who oppose carrying a gun for self defense argue that the chances of a person being able to draw his weapon in time when he is attacked are very slim.

And they are right if the person doesn't practice drawing his weapon on a regular basis. You can't be fumbling with your firearm while you are being attacked by someone intent on seriously injuring or killing you. Wise people who have concealed carry licenses practice not only shooting but rapidly, smoothly and safely drawing their firearm.

Many who open carry use retention holsters which require even more practice than the holsters used by most who carry concealed.
Some people participate in shooting sports where they have to draw their weapon and engage a target.

Training
An additional advantage to strong-side belt holsters and IWB styles is that these holsters are the styles that are generally “legal” for IDPA and similar types of pistol matches. (Fanny packs, shoulder holster, small of the back, and cross-draw holsters are not allowed for any kind of match shooting I know of.) Participation in these kinds of matches provides valuable practice in drawing and firing the gun.

To return to a familiar refrain: practice, practice, practice. Drawing a .45 automatic from concealment, acquiring the target and placing two shots in the "A zone" is not a skill most of us are born with. It must be learned and practiced in order to perform it safely and effectively. The holster is a critical component of the system.
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/ccw/ccw_holsters.htm

*****

It's not that people who carry are on hair triggers. Life comes at you fast.

The Tueller Drill is a self-defense training exercise to prepare against a short-range knife attack when armed only with a holstered handgun.

One would think that a gun beats a knife every time. With superior weaponry, the fight should be easily won. But Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department, showed that it was not that simple.

A common test of handgun skill was to start with one’s hands at shoulder level with a holstered gun and place two shots on a target 7 yards (6.4 m) away within 1.5 seconds. Typically, those trained with handguns can complete the drill in 1.3–1.4 seconds, although some have managed the task in less than one second.

Tueller wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover those same 21 feet (6.4 m). So he measured as volunteers raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in SWAT magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, "How Close is Too Close?"<1>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

[Hoyt]

66. Too much detail. Being that "prepared" is obsessive, Don't you think.

Hopefully many will outgrow this phase.

We don't need people walking around in public with retention holsters, Gucci holsters, or whatever gives em a thrill.

Shooting sports are fine. One can keep their guns in the trunk on the way. I used to break down a 1911 blindfolded. Still could. . . . . . but why? We aren't at war, here anyway.

[Pavulon]

67. Need is fake, people dont need access to abortions, blacks dont need to go to integrated schools

however the supreme court upholds those legal rights. I support those legal rights because they are the law of the land and correct.

There is NO REASON a person carrying concealed is a problem to you. No threat of any significance exists.

Hey I bet you live in a nice place, I can see a nice golf course from my home. So I dont really worry much about crime, I worry about kids texting and driving right into my car. However not everyone is in the same situation as you or me. Some people have reasons to carry, I carry because I can.

So does my wife, both of are educated and dont carry because we "fear" something. Its just a normal thing to do.

You have two choices, deal with the two supreme court cases upholding the individual rights surrounding firearms, and move on..

Or you can work on some new type of prohibition that is designed to circumvent those cases. Bottom line gun control is dead.

[rrneck]

69. So

what do you suggest people do when they are confronted by an assailant?

[spin]

72. It would appear that you oppose carrying firearms ...

which is fine.

I don't, I have a concealed weapons permit and I carry.

That doesn't make me any better or smarter or more responsible than you and the reverse is also true.

Obviously, if you look at this map, you might understand that recently in our country many people disagreed with your viewpoint and were able to get the laws in their states changed to allow honest citizens to carry firearms in public.



If allowing honest people to carry weapons in public had resulted in a return to the "Wild West" as predicted, these right to carry laws would have been revoked by now.

Florida publishes a monthly summary report on its "shall issue" concealed weapons program. In the period of time between October 1, 1987 to September 30, 2010, Florida issued 1,858,018 concealed weapons permits of which 761,706 are currently valid. Only 168 licenses have been revoked for a crime that involved a firearm and was committed after the license was issued IN 23 YEARS!
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html

You state:

"We don't need people walking around in public with retention holsters, Gucci holsters, or whatever gives em a thrill."

I would prefer to see knowledgeable people "packing heat" in public. People who understand the responsibility involved in carrying a firearm and who are interested enough to know what you consider "obsessive detail". Individuals who can tell you the advantages of a good holster and why you buy a gun belt rather than use a cheap Walmart belt. Individuals who know what "situational awareness" is and understand why the Tueller Drill is important.

But as I have often said, the chances of a person with a permit of ever having to use his/her concealed weapon are slim. Still, the possibility exists. I carry because I am familiar with shooting and the "obsessive detail" of concealed carry. I also like to be as prepared as I can for what life might throw at me on a given day. You don't carry because you don't see a need and you lack interest in the subject.

You obviously understand statistics and use them to justify your feeling that there is little reason to carry firearms. Study the statistics on concealed carry and perhaps you will understand that your fears about those who carry firearms legally in public is exaggerated.

I would be far more concerned with those who illegally carry firearms as tools to use in their criminal profession than those who carry legally.

[Hoyt]

80. Fortunately, huge percentages in those states are not scared to death, and/or playing cowboy.

Packing in public is tacky, and as my x-police officer father in law said, "down right silly" as some silly fool with a shoulder holster approached. Guy kinda walked like george war bush.

[rrneck]

81. Hellllooooooo.

There are now two questions pending in this thread. You gonna keep running away?

[shadowrider]

84. You really aren't expecting an answer, are you? n/t

[rrneck]

85. Not really.

Cognitive dissonance is a tough nut to crack.

[spin]

83. I have no problems with the low percentage who carry ...

I chose to and if other people chose not to, that's their business.

I have never carried a firearm openly in public as it is illegal in Florida. That may change and I might try it, but I'm happy carrying concealed.

People have no idea that I'm carrying and that's fine with me. Some posters here feel everybody should be forced to open carry as then they could see who has guns. I don't see it as a real big deal either way. There are plenty of times when I walked into a store I noticed the owner had a firearm on his side. In most but not all cases this happened in a gun store. A man who ran a newspaper and magazine store in a mall near to where I lived in Tampa, always had a holstered S&W snub nosed revolver with him. Some people carried openly in their jewelry stores. None of the customers seemed to mind.

A number of my friends are x-police and have concealed carry licenses. I would imagine that the cops who didn't like shooting don't carry when they retire and those who enjoy it as a hobby do.

[PavePusher]

88. So, what do you say about those people who actually do defend themselves in public?

Are they "tacky" for doing so? Should they have left their "cowboy toys" at home so they could be properly victimized?

What solutions do you offer for those attacked in public? Are you offering to provide security for people? If so, what methods do you intend to employ?

Do you dare to answer the questions?

[shadowrider]

63. A few points

1) NOBODY is suggesting leaving the house with an arsenal (or more). Can you point to one post that suggests such?
2) A weapon crammed down the pants is only used by bad guys so they can dump the weapon after their "special crime" (Arlo Guthrie - Restaurant)
and have no other apparel that says they had a gun in the first place.
3) You insinuate people have hair triggers and are just waiting to start blasting away. Can you show me one incident in Vermont or Arizona where this
happened? Just one.

You have a personal preference not to carry. I respect that. It's your choice, yet you demean others who think differently. Would it be possible, without name calling and without demeaning others, to simply say "I disagree" and move on? I guarantee others will respect that position with a response of "your choice", and they'll move on. It's really very easy.

[rrneck]

53. That's true. But that's not the question I asked.

Do you have a solution?

[lapsstir]

94. Even if we don't NEED it

that doesn't justify criminalizing it. Where I live it's legal. The VAST majority of people don't carry openly. The vast majority of people who carry, carry concealed. So what?

[Hoyt]

25. Don't need a gun strapped to my leg to do that. Nor do most folks.

Violence is not near as likely to occur as gun toters believe (irrationally). Must be hell living in fear and spending all that time preparing for something that is highly unlikely to occur, especially with a few precautions.

[spin]

50. Yes it is highly unlikely to occur ...

and you chose to not worry about it, which is your choice.

But people differ in their approach to life. I doubt if my house will burn down but I have fire alarms and fire extinguishers. I doubt that a tornado will ever hit my house, but I have a NOAA weather radio. When I drive to the store, I doubt that I will have an accident, but I wear a seat belt.

I don't worry about things because I try to be prepared. You don't worry about things because you bet statistics.

So, as I have pointed out I don't live in fear and since I enjoy shooting as a hobby, all that time I spend practicing with my firearms is fun.

[rrneck]

54. Probably not.

But it happens. Probably not to you or me, but it happens. That's why we have cops, courts, and locks on our doors. Unfortunately, when you trot out that same old dismissive attitude you sound like the very Democrat that energizes the Tea Party and causes independents to vote to the right. That's the dismissive Democrat that is more interested in his personal ideology than the people it will impact. It's the Democrat that sounds like he lives in a tony neighborhood with astronomical property values and three cops for every stylish homeowner.

You might try thinking about others experience of the world instead of evaluating them against your own.

[friendly_iconoclast]

58. Deciding where the needs of others lie? How pretentious of you. n/t

[Taitertots]

64. Seems like you need to read the thread about how many DU women have been raped

Most of us won't endorse a Mr. Rogers fantasy world where nothing bad can happen to us.

"862,947 aggravated assaults were reported during 2005". That is what...1.5 a minute, sounds fairly common.

[jazzhound]

76. +1,000

I'm always amused when when the controllers toss out the fear canard. The "fear" they describe is in fact an absence of the attitude that "it can't/won't happen to ME." In other words --- the absence of extreme arrogance.

[PavePusher]

21. Cite to evidence, please?

Or are you the self-proclaimed arbiter of "manners"?

[Hoyt]

24. Simple, we don't need to behave like Neanderthal Man carrying the modern version of a club.

Although more deadly than a club. Give me a reason why everyone should walk around like Rambo with guns strapped to every extremity.

[PavePusher]

26. Your assertions and insinuations are fallacious.

But you knew that, amiright?

[Hoyt]

31. Do you always use big words like that defending strapping guns to your legs at the ballet.

Or where ever you strap/display it, to walk into Chuck-E-Cheese or nursery school. My arguments may be fallacious, and probably worse, but strapping guns to one's leg(s) in public is just ridiculous. Folks should play army/militia/cowboy/hero/police/judge/jury in the privacy of their own home. My opinion of course.

[oneshooter]

34. You sure do write a lot, to say nothing. n/t

[Hoyt]

39. Have to admit it. But, surely you can't see a reason to strap a gun to your leg in a library.

Or at a wedding. A funeral. Darn, leave your gun in your car when you don't really need it. Strap a machete to your back if you need to, but leave the guns at home. PLEAZZZZZE

[PavePusher]

51. Lend me your crystal ball?

You seem to be quite confident that you know when a firearm will be "needed".

Does your talent extend to other safety tools as well? When will I need my fire extinguishers, I'm tired of tripping over them.

[Glassunion]

89. Ok... Thanks for playing though...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/22/earlyshow/living/parenting/main6981403.shtml (library)
http://www.masslive.com/metrowest/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-28/1287559071209850.xml&coll=1 (wedding)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/05/AR2010100506191.html (funeral)

[shadowrider]

90. Shhhhhhh. Dude, those things hardly ever happen. Why should we be prepared

In case it happens again?

:hide:

[Pavulon]

37. These guys are obsessed with Chuck-E-Cheese , like mecca for them

if a firearm was to enter the sacred hall of screaming unsupervised children the entire world will collapse in on its self.

[PavePusher]

41. I prefer Starbuck. Fewer screaming rug weasels. n/t

[Hoyt]

43. Naw, I just don't want to crack up with the absurdity of open-strappers in CECheeze, etc.

Seriously. I think guns have their place, it's just we differ on the place.

Leave em in your car if you just can't bring yourself to leave it at home.

[PavePusher]

45. Unfortunately for you, my Civil Rights go where I go. n/t

[Hoyt]

47. Ah, now we are to "civil" rights. Come on. Strapping in public is not a "civil" right.

[PavePusher]

49. And again you self-appoint as the arbiter of "civil".

Quite the little authoritarian, aintchya?

[Pavulon]

68. Roe v wade and Brown vs board were single cases, changed america

there are two cases upholding RKBA. That is the final word on the issue.

[X_Digger]

74. 'bear'.. as in 'keep and bear'.. no? n/t

[PavePusher]

42. You need to do a visit to your Strawman(tm) factory.

'Cause the Quality Control sucks.

[Taitertots]

65. Chuck-E-Cheese can tell gun owners they can't bring guns into the store

"My arguments may be fallacious, and probably worse"
Why should we ever listen to you when you know and admit that your whole position is based on nothing.

[jazzhound]

75. "My arguments may be fallacious, and probably worse.....

.........but I still believe that my opinions deserve the same weight as those based on reason and facts."

:rofl:

Pure comedy GOLD!!

[SteveM]

98. It's the Internet, I tell you! Everything has gone to pot. nt

[SteveM]

97. "Neanderthal Man?" "Rambo?" Sounds like typical stereotype...

Virtually everyone I have known who carried openly (outside of LEOs) were singularly solicitous, calm and respectful. I think you are leading with typical prejudicial stereotypes in order to denigrate one's choice of how to carry. You also engage in straw: "Give me a reason why everyone should walk around like Rambo with guns strapped to every extremity."

No one has advocated this position of "everyone." This is your fantastic creation. Few gun-owners carry concealed; fewer still carry openly. You have very little trust in your fellow humans.

[RSillsbee]

38. I live in a state where OC is legal and it seems to be a non issue here

People don't freak out when they see some one openly carrying a firearm

[RamboLiberal]

62. Ahem most of us don't strap a gun to our leg

We have belt holsters.



There are though a few who like the tactical leg holster for everyday OC. Personally I think those folks look like "mall ninjas" and tacky though some here disagree with me. These are the only ones besides those with cowboy type holsters strapping a gun and holster to their leg.

[cleanhippie]

71. I think abetter definition of the word "irrational" would be your post.

[lapsstir]

93. Tacky isn't a rationale

even under the loosest "rational basis test" to criminalize something. Assume arguendo that open carry is tacky. That says NOTHING to justify any laws against it. It's legal where I live. I don't carry openly. I carry concealed. But I support the right to carry openly, and I have seen NO evidence that open carry doesn't work well here.

[proteus_lives]

59. Cite evidence.

But you won't.

Silly-billy.

[cleanhippie]

70. COnsidering the sophomoric tone of your post, I do not think you are qualified

to determine what "we" need at all.

[SteveM]

96. So, if they instead went concealed-carry, they wouldn't be "Cowboys & Rambos?"

[Dappleganger]

28. Floridian who carries regularly here, not a fan of open-carry

unless you're out on your farm or hunting, or at the range or competition. I am just not a big fan of openly carrying in order to intimidate other people, or give a bad guy the opportunity to instantly know which citizens happen to be carrying weapons that day.

[spin]

35. It would make carrying a firearm easier in the hot weather ...

I'll try it if the law passes but I understand and agree with your views.

[RamboLiberal]

61. I was wondering when someone would mention the weather

Which to me is one good reason to allow OC if one is a legal gun carrier. It certainly allows person carrying to more easily carry a full size handgun. It can be damned hard to carry concealed in hot weather especially a bigger gun. That's when a lot of carriers go to a smaller revolver or .380 in the pocket.

There are certainly advantages and disadvantages to OC but hot weather OC is certainly an advantage.

[spin]

73. In the winter months in Florida ...

I carry a S&W Model 60 .357 mag with a 3" barrel in an inside the waist band holster under a light jacket.



In the summer I carry a S&W Model 642 .38 special with a 1 7/8" barrel in a pocket holster in my right front pants pocket.



The Model 60 is the easier to shoot weapon because of its weight, barrel length and sights. The Model 642 is the easier weapon to carry in the summer heat.

[RamboLiberal]

79. I have the 642 & for a female I found that a bit too big

for pocket carry most of the time. Women's pockets tend to be smaller on jeans/pants. So I ended up with a Ruger LCP .380 as pocket carry in hot weather. I do sometimes slip the 642 in my pocket when taking my elderly dog for her short walks or if cooler strap on my Glock 26. For EDC between work & home I usually keep the Glock in a Maxpedition bag.

We have OC in my state of PA but since there isn't a lot of people doing I think for me personally be too much hassle with having to explain to store clerks/management & even some cops who are ignorant of the law.

[spin]

82. The Ruger LCP is an excellent pistol ...

My son in law carries uses one for his pocket gun.

My daughter dislikes pistols but like you she finds her favorite carry weapon a S&W 351PD Airlite .22 Magnum revolver too large to carry in her pants pocket. She often carries it in an inside the waistband holster.



She does carry a smaller weapon in her pocket at times, a .22 cal North American Arms Mini-Revolver. She calls it her "get away from me". gun.

[oneshooter]

86. My Loving Wife prefers "her" Colt LW Commander. In .45 of course. n/t

[PavePusher]

44. Open Carry =/= "intimidation"

Nor does any public exercise of Civil Rights.

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. It does if you think it's "tacky" n/t

[jazzhound]

77. You know, I've always been intimidated when I see gay

couples walking and holding hands.

:sarcasm:

[PavePusher]

78. I'm intimidated by white people at lunch counters...

and I are one.