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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:38 PM Original message |
I thought we'd never need guns in coffee shops? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Capital punishment for robbery... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It was a drive-through kiosk, not a coffee shop and the robber opened fire first |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. If the robber shot first, it was justifiable... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I live in the area so I got local TV coverage and witness accounts. |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Even if the robber had not shot first it still would have been justified. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. You are not required to wait until the robber shoots. (n/t) |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. How kind of you to allow. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. He doesn't have to shoot first to be subject to deadly defensive measures... |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Meth related ? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Thinly-veiled accusation of vigilantism is noted. And dismissed. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. If the robber hadn't been able to convince the clerk.. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
74. The usual disingenuous response... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. more guns won't help |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. A gun in the proper hands.... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I Live in Reality where guns have killed too many |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. "How many more need to die needlessly?" |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. you don't get it... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I'm not lying to anyone, least of all myself. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. Care to back up those claims? |
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SecularMotion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. "More Guns, Less Crime" debunked |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I don't claim that more guns = less crime, but the inverse has been disproven.. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Agreed -- but here are a couple of real gems from the |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
78. Yeah, I saw those stinkers bob to the surface as well... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. Lott's studies do not convince me, either. But I still support 2A fully... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. And your inability to acknowledge murder rates are declining is also denial. |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. When I grew up murder rates were lower then now. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. You have to go back 40 years to find lower murder rates |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
61. You'll have to tell when that was |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. wow... did I say I had power to force you to do something? |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yes yes yes yes |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. So provide us with some accurate statistics, then |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. Does the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics produce garbage? |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. I live in the reality of Washington State ... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Relying on the criminal's good nature? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. nah... lets make more guns and sell more, because bad guys never get those guns |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Just as you |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Well said, with a line that bears repeating: |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
62. When are you going to produce something to back up your |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. "You people" seems to suggest your continuation of a culture war... |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. If guns have killed so many |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
80. The cost of cleaning and maintenance are too high? |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. Assumptions |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Such cold logic. Fact is were going in the wrong direction. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. How so? More guns don't seem to be the problem. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Such poor logic. Self-defense is "going in the wrong direction"? n/t |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. New testament = poor logic ? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Are you responding to the right person? I never mentioned anything biblical. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. Only if the 'direction' you prefer is detached from the reality of crime stats. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. False. See post #48. Violent crime has been dropping |
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Bold Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. It sure did in this case. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
64. No one but you is saying that. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Yet if you look at the data nations with higher gun ownership rates have lower murder rates. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. Uh, I think it helped the law-abiding citizens in this case... |
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WHEN CRABS ROAR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. He won't try that again. We have been trying for thousands of |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. You're right of course. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Being as Combs fired on the clerk, if he had nobly declined to defend himself... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. they spread this NEED for guns |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Since you seem to have ignored the evidence that refutes your position... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. You Honestly think This Evidence that Proves having a gun "sometimes" Saves the good guy? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. You're entitled to your own opinion. You're *not* entitled to your own facts |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. The DOJ stats show approx. 108,000 instances per year of defensive gun uses. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Actually, the figure of 108,000 DGU's wouldn't even |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Oh, I know. I'm just trying to make it easy for someone who 'doesn't want to bother' with stats. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. Jesus, the use of statistics, data and good argument use to be a liberal strong suit... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. What you are discussing is DGUs (defensive gun uses) |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. >>SNORT....! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I don't think he will do any research ... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
73. And three days later, he hasn't. Or hasn't posted it. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
69. I appreciate your notifying us in advance that you intend to discount any evidence you don't like |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Where do dead Mexicans come from? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Unpossible. If we just believe hard enough guns will disappear... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. And you spread this FICTION again... |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Doin' right ain't got no end. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. There is much iron in the words of ETLib |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Damn it! |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Complete and utter nonsense. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. "Thousands of years"? You want to invoke history? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You write the best damn posts, you wordy bastard... 8>) n/t |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
33. I thought that I'd never need guns at all...then I broke my sheppard's staff. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-26-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. Wonder if the employee will be fired if carrying |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. God, I hope not |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. When I worked as cashier, midnight shift, alone, at a convenience store... |
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