Guns and Gallegos

[jpak]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/7514738.html

Will the state of Texas force colleges to allow guns on campus?

Universities don't want them. The heads of many Texas colleges — most visibly, Francisco Cigarroa, chancellor of the University of Texas System - say that concealed weapons would make their campuses far more dangerous.

Faculty say they'd be uncomfortable flunking a student who packs heat. Mental health counselors warn of the danger of mixing guns with the stress and binge drinking that already plague students. Guns in classrooms and dorms, the counselors say, would surely lead to more suicides and accidental shootings.

Polls at the University of Texas, Texas A&M and Sam Houston State indicate that most students dislike the concept of guns on campus.
Campus police warn that it would be almost impossible, even for a conscientious student, to secure a gun in a dorm room. In a shootout, they say, they wouldn't be able to tell a gun-packing bad guy from a gun-packing good one. And given that even police officers, trained to shoot under pressure, hit their targets less than 20 percent of the time, how much damage might a college gun carrier do? How many bystanders could be injured in crossfire?

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Texas GOP = D U M B A S S

yup

[Taitertots]

1. Any evidence to support the assertion that concealed carry on campus will have any negative effects?

We are waiting....

[spin]

2. I guess the college students in Colorado, Michigan, Utah, and Virginia must be a higher quality ...

than college students in Texas. Students in these states haven't went wild and started shooting their campus up. Also, I wonder if there is something strange about college campuses in Texas that would cause people who legally carry firearms responsibly off campus suddenly turn into dangerous killers if they happen to enter a campus.

Web Site Lists Colleges that Allow Guns on Campus
Blog by Gun Guys
(March 17, 2011) in Society / Guns

NEW YORK, NY -- The Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence have launched a new website, www.armedcampuses.org, that lists the colleges and universities that allow individuals to carry loaded firearms on their campuses. The website is intended to be a resource for students and their parents as they make decisions regarding higher education.

Currently, 25 two- and four-year schools across the country allow the carrying of firearms on their premises (i.e., campus grounds, classrooms, dormitories, etc.).

These colleges and universities are located in the following four states: Utah, Colorado, Virginia and Michigan. www.armedcampuses.org provides detailed information about laws concerning the carrying of firearms each of these states.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/web-site-lists-colleges-that-allow-guns-on-campus

[DonP]

3. Another post about something that didn't happen

You seem to be specializing recently in posts about things that didn't happen and show no sign of happening.

But again, you sound way too hopeful that something will, to vindicate your POV.

[GKirk]

4. Really?

"Faculty say they'd be uncomfortable flunking a student who packs heat"

Cops pull over people with CPLs all the time and write them tickets when they see fit.

BTW-What faculty member actually made that comment?

[gejohnston]

5. problems securing in a dorm room

I'll give you that one. One half point.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. Except that the bill doesn't allow guns in dorms.

The bill would allow concealed carry on campus, not guns in dorms.

[GreenStormCloud]

6. The bill does NOT allow guns in dorms. So why are you freaking out?

It only allows those few students who do have CHLs to be able to carry on campus and to class. You act like guns would be handed out at freshmen orientation.

Cops are almost never at the scene when a gunfight occurs so they don't have to worry about telling the good guy from the bad guy. In real-life, as opposed to your imagined nightmares, CHL holders haven't hit innocent people in a gunfight.

[rl6214]

9. "The bill does NOT allow guns in dorms. So why are you freaking out?"

Look at the source, that will tell you everything.

[S_B_Jackson]

8. Apparently the heads of the university systems feel that a university camups is like a fairy kingdom

in which the nature of humans and the laws of govern thme operate under different rules than the mundane world.

How would the campuses be made any more dangerous? Is it his contention that murders, rapes, aggrevated and simple assaults, etc DO NOT already occur?

Do the faculty at those schools not already face the danger of flunking students who are armed? If adopted how would they know with any greater certainty than they do right now?

The really comical part was the claims by campus police that law enforcement would become more difficult. The police outside the magical university campuses haven't found that enforcing the law in the mundane world has become more difficult since the legalized Concealed Carry began in 1995.

As a Texas resident, and a parent of two young adults, one already in college at Texas A&M, and the other to enter college in the fall of 2013....I have no issue whatsoever with legalized concealed carry on campus or off.

Chancellor Cigarroa and the rest of the handwringers need to concern themselves with other things - - - this will turn out to be a non-issue, just as passage of legalized concealed carry has not resulted in the type of "Gunfight at the OK Coral" scenarious envisioned by Hangun Control Inc (aka The Brady Campaign), or by Josh Sugarman over at the VPC.

[Hoyt]

10. All the more reason to promote campus toting. Pro-packers care little about non-carriers' opinions

[DonP]

11. Not true, we just don't care about yours.

[oneshooter]

12. +100 n/t

[rrneck]

13. yep nt

[Hoyt]

15. Good, would not want to be in your "club."

[DonP]

16. You couldn't pass the initiation anyway

You have to recognize the smell of Hoppe's #9 blindfolded and ... know the difference between law abiding citizens that choose to carry and criminals

[rl6214]

18. Agreed

Yours is part of the extreme fringe element.

[one-eyed fat man]

17. Never gave it much thought.

But now that you mention it, I am willing to make an exception. Normally, when I am carrying a concealed weapon I take great pains to be as inconspicuous and low key as possible. So if we ever cross paths, I'll be sure to let you know so you can have a full blown set of knicker-twisting palpitations and vapors.

Some people just fail to understand real life.

About 35 years ago when laser rangefinders were first being introduced on US tanks an earnest civilian from OSHA came to tell us we weren't supposed to point the laser at people.

"Excuse me? You DO know this is a rangefinder? The reason I want to measure range is because want to know how far I am going to shoot. If those people have pissed me off enough to shoot them, do you think I give a shit if they are fucking blinded before I kill them?"

[WatsonT]

20. You don't get to decide what rights we get

if that equals to 'not caring about your opinion' then yeah, I don't care.

[krispos42]

14. "Faculty say they'd be uncomfortable flunking a student who packs heat".

Okay....



Question 1: If the student is legally carrying a concealed firearm, how would the faculty know he was packing heat?

Question 2: If the student is illegally carrying a concealed firearm, how would the faculty know he was packing heat?

Question 3: Regardless of legality, how would the faculty know if anybody was carrying a concealed firearm?

Question 4: If the student owns a gun that he or she is proficient with but does not carry it, would they still be uncomfortable flunking that student?



As to the counselors... well, I guess mixing motor vehicles with the stress and binge drinking that plague students is a bad idea, too. No cars on campus!


And in a shootout... well, typically by the times the cops get there, the shootout is over anyway, with the shooter dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the noggin. But regardless, I'll bet far more defensive gun used will be for stopping assault, robbery, carjacking, and home invasions than for mass shootings.

[WatsonT]

19. A lot of un-educated thinking goes on at the very tops of these Universities

A notion doesn't become true simply by repeating it often enough.

Nor does "Sounding good" make a theory valid.

There has been precisely zero evidence linking CHL usage to increased violence, and quite a bit that shows the opposite.