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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:43 PM
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Dallas Morning News Spreads Anti-Gun Disinformation

Traffickers fuel Mexico violence with guns bought legally in U.S.


By JASON TRAHAN


Published Apr 9, 2011 11:30 PM

Illegal traffickers are using a sophisticated system of “straw buyers” at North Texas gun shows and gun shops to fuel the escalating drug wars in Mexico.

Federal statistics show that about 90 percent of guns seized by Mexican authorities in recent years were initially purchased in the U.S.


It takes a subscription to read the entire article. I take the paper so I did read it. Then I sent Mr. Trahan an email correcting him. Got a "thank you for your email". response. That 90% made in U.S. lie is going to have a life span like that of the Glock all-plastic gun.

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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:51 PM
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1. Or a life span of those heat seaking bullets...
Or those cop-killer bullets...
Or your average off-the-shelf Bushmaster is a machine gun...
Or those deadly shoulder things that go up...
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:28 PM
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4. And what of his claims just a few days before ?
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/04/cartel-weapons-cache-found-jus.html

Dig the laundry list of stuff for which we have been deemed not worthy .
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:50 PM
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5. Hmmm... I'm game...
• One machine gun, 7.62mm caliber My guess is not from the US. This is not something you can run to WalMart and get for a couple hundred bucks, no questions asked.
• 59 rifles (types unreported) Can't help here. They don't know what they are.
• 21 handguns (types unreported) Can't help here either. They don't know what they are.
• Seven Uzi 9mm submachine guns Again, not from the US.
• One rocket launcher (type unreported) I just got one of these from a gum ball machine at a bowling alley.
• One rocket (type unreported) This must have come from a gun show...
• One grenade launcher (type unreported) Only one? They were having a two-fer at Bob's Guns and Hunting... and Grenades
• One crossbow This could be from the US
• 412 chubs of hydrogel explosives (for industrial mining, size of charges not reported) I hear there is a Chubs and Stuff store right on the border
• 36 electric detonators Cell Phones?
• 39.4 feet of detonation cord It's the last .4 feet that get you. That happens to be the same exact distance from the cartel's holdout to a school on the US side.
• Six mortar rounds, 60mm Only 60mm...? Wusses
• Three rifle grenades Page 6 of the Gander Mountain catalog
• Five inert grenades (possibly missing the fuses) Oh... Then they are the safe kind
• One rocket-propelled grenade launcher Now we are talking!!! This will make for one hell of a block party!
• 50 fragmentation hand grenades I hear you can get these from the Mini-Mart or Gun shows or a Middle School.
• Two grenade bodies You can fill them with PEZ... Just don't confuse them with the 50 live grenades
• Four practice grenades, 40mm Well you don't want them to just start blasting shit away without practicing first do you?
• Two tripods HOLY SHIT!!! We should ban these. bi pods are safe, it's the tripods that you have to look out for!
• $59,700 in U.S. currency Hands down... 100%... All of this came from the US... So, there is your 90%. Proof positive... Case closed...
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:32 PM
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9. The 7.62 Machine Gun
Probably did from the US. it was likely an M60 ( but it didn't come form no damn gun show)
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 04:03 PM
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10. Nah... I'm thinking it was the Russian Shipunov GShG-7.62 minigun.
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 04:04 PM by Glassunion
Or as the media likes to call it... The "AK47".

It could have been an M240, or as the media likes to call it... The "AK47".

It could have been an M60, or as the media likes to call it... The "AK47".

It could have also been a Remington 700 Machine Gun(*snort*) chambered in .308, or as the media likes to call it... The "AK47".

It could have been an FN Herstal MINIMI, or as the media likes to call it... The "AK47".

There is a plethora of stuff that comes in 7.62. But at the end of the day... They are all AK 47's.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 05:22 PM
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11. Hell. it could have been a Ruger 10/22
Or as the media likes to call it an AK-47
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 05:39 PM
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12. Great post. (n/t)
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:09 AM
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15. I've given up recently on trying to post well thought out or informative posts lately.
Sarcasm and levity seem to make me feel better given the climate around here as of late. Besides... They are fun.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 10:57 PM
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16. I knew you'd come around !
Wanna sniff some glue ?
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:52 PM
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2. The "sophisticated system" part is new
The question is ... will they be able to get this meme rolling again after square edging all four tires trying to get it stopped ?

A day or two will tell the tale , what interesting times .
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:54 PM
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3. that's the "free", de-regulated market for ya ...
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:05 PM
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8. Huh?
"Federal statistics show that about 90 percent of guns seized by Mexican authorities in recent years were initially purchased in the U.S."

This quote from the article is a flat out lie. Period.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:53 PM
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7. Dis-information is the hallmark of the prohibitionists. Just look at the posts here in this forum.
Edited on Mon Apr-11-11 02:54 PM by cleanhippie
Not a fact to be found.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:30 PM
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13. So what is the percentage -- 89, 88, 60, 40%, 25%? Any of those is too high.

Truthfully, even 1% is too high if the purchases are made at supposedly legit gun stores, those dang gun shows, or all but unregulated private sales.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 08:52 PM
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14. yes even one pistol is too many
But the larger issue is, why is BATF doing it in the first place? Providing intelligence to Mexican authorities? If so why, since the gangs get most from the southern border and overseas like China, Israel. Either way, we pay them to enforce US federal gun laws, not Mexico's.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 11:24 PM
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17. How can this be
"Illegal traffickers are using a sophisticated system of “straw buyers” at North Texas gun shows and gun shops to fuel the escalating drug wars in Mexico"

One of the posters here said it was the gun shop in Indiana that was supplying all the guns to mexico and that's why they got raided today by 70 ATF agents.
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