Gun rights group plans 'open carry' dinner at Detroit restaurant, with 50 plus packing heat

[jpak]

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/02c44ecd1f58445bb73bb30fc7f1201f/MI--Packing-Heat-Big-Boy/

DETROIT — A gun rights group says it's planning an "open carry" dinner at a Detroit restaurant at which dozens of people will wear holstered weapons in plain sight.

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In a news release Monday, Ector said the dinner is April 21 at the Big Boy Restaurant on Jefferson Avenue, opposite the Belle Isle bridge. He says he expects 50 or more "handgun-toting patrons" to participate.

Ector says he's seeking to raise awareness of people's legal right in Michigan to carry a licensed weapon in the open.

A message seeking comment was left with Detroit police Monday night. A restaurant employee says comment will have to come from manager Norman Ina, who was gone Monday night.

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guns and family restaurants - great for business

not

[rubberducky]

1. Detroit really needs more guns.......Not

[PavePusher]

3. More guns in the hands of the law-abiding, fewer in the hands of criminals.

There, fixed it for ya.

[damntexdem]

10. A formula for no difference.

But of course, it won't be that -- it will just be more guns in more hands, and more people shot.

[ManiacJoe]

29. Feel free to explain that leap of "logic".

[oneshooter]

37. He is a drive by poster, don;t expect anything from him except hyperbole. n/t

[rl6214]

32. I'll bet you a six pack that no one is shot at that event

[Starboard Tack]

45. Finally, a sane voice in the gungeon

Logic doesn't sit well around here. Many think by wearing guns we'll all be safer. Lovely world isn't it?

[rl6214]

47. Logic is all the pro gun side uses in it's debate

emotion is all the anti gun side uses in it's debate. You can HOPE the criminals will be gentle with you when you are assaulted, I will make sure I am not assaulted by being armed.

[Starboard Tack]

50. What utter nonsense

Both sides use emotion and the pro-gunners in a way more reactionary childish way,like "Why do you want to take my guns away?" "Why do you want to take away my constitutional rights?" "Why can't I take my guns to school?"
Like a bunch of whiny kids who think only of themselves and are scared their balls are gonna be confiscated. Yuk!
Read your own post na,na,nana,na
How the heck is being armed going to stop you from being assaulted? You gonna scare them by pointing it at them? Nothing emotional there.
Anti-gunners are emotional too. They get angry and frustrated by the foolishness and shortsightedness of those who behave illogically. Can't blame them for that.

[ManiacJoe]

51. You seem rather confused about what an emotional argument is.

"Why do you want to take my guns away?"
"Why do you want to take away my constitutional rights?"
"Why can't I take my guns to school?"
A set of questions that normally do not get logical answers from the anti-gunners.

How the heck is being armed going to stop you from being assaulted?
Being armed does not stop you from being assaulted. What is does do is give you a better chance at successfully fighting back when you have decided that fighting back is the better tactic to use in that particular case.

You gonna scare them by pointing it at them?
That is a good first step in the plan. If that does not get the desired response of ending the attack, the assailant gets shot/cut/hit/sprayed depending on the weapon(s) I am armed with.

[Starboard Tack]

52. No. I'm not confused in the least.

But good luck with your plan. I'll rely on my wits and leave old Betsy at home where she belongs. Everyone has a right to defend their home against intrusion. When you venture out into the world you take your chances. If that's too scary to do without a gun then maybe you should stay home.

[ManiacJoe]

59. Buy why not do what you can to improve your odds?

When you venture out into the world you take your chances.
That part is a given. Good to see that you understand it. While your chances of being a victim are small, why not be prepared for the worst when such preparation takes little effort? I understand folks being lazy; I understand that playing the odds almost always works out OK on any given day. Having various self defense tools on you just gives you options and better odds during the tactical decisions you may be forced to make later when your luck runs out. If you are prepared, you have lots less to fear when things get bad. Better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Plus good tactics will tell you that you should never go armed to places where you would not go unarmed. If you think there is going to be trouble, don't go there. Trouble does not need any help finding you.

[Starboard Tack]

73. Good point and I do like to be prepared

If I thought that were necessary I would. I go swimming a lot, but I don't wear a life vest or carry a defibrillator in case I have a heart attack. I don't carry an umbrella in the desert.

I take lots of precautions in my life which increase my odds of survival. I live off the grid, make my own electricity and water, catch my own food sometimes. If I thought carrying a gun would help I'd do it.
I'm much more concerned about being prepared for what Mother Nature can throw at me rather than another human.

[rrneck]

77. Good for you.

Why would you compel others to live with your risk assessment?

[Starboard Tack]

84. I would never dream of compelling others to do anything they

didn't want to, except maybe get off my porch if I didn't like them. But I like most people. Compelling people to do things is not my style. I'd rather learn or teach by example. It's way more effective. Legislation doesn't really do much good. Laws are written for those who ignore and break them.

[rrneck]

86. So all things being equal

would you vote for a candidate that promised a UK style firearms ban?

[Starboard Tack]

90. Absolutely.

[PavePusher]

97. Irony, n'est pas?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=400201&mesg_id=401513

[rrneck]

98. Ain't it the truth.

And I don't think he even realizes it any more than a whole lot of Democrats. Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch.

[Starboard Tack]

99. Pas de tout! C'est la vérité

[Straw Man]

105. I feel faint--the irony is so thick that I can't breathe.

Now tell us how it's all for our own good.

[movonne]

12. How do you know who is law-abiding???there are mentally challenged

people that might look like law-abiding citizens... who knows what evil lurks among the law-abiding...

[WatsonT]

14. Background checks when you purchase a gun

simple enough.

How do election workers know if someone about to vote is a felon, illegal immigrant or underage? You can't know (there is literally no way to check, for serial!). So best to be safe and do away with everyones voting rights.

[movonne]

35. and guns..

[oneshooter]

38. So you wold be alright if everybody lost their voting rights

as long as the "evile gunz" were taken also?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Starboard Tack]

53. All those voters killing people! Great analogy!

[armueller2001]

61. I think votes have probably killed more people than guns.

Hitler, George W,etc.

[Starboard Tack]

74. And your point is what? No more voting?

Is your comment somehow meant to mitigate gun deaths somehow? The guys you mentioned did a lot of their killing by putting guns in the hands of fearless kids. But I'll join you in booing the voters.

[armueller2001]

91. Nope my comment was not to mitigate gun deaths

and of course I support voting. You were mentioning all the killing done by voters in a sarcastic manner, implying that there was no harm in voting. Fact is, voting has probably enabled the killing of more people in the last 300 years than firearms have. And in the course of time I'd say religion has killed more people than firearms have as well. But, I don't advocate taking away the right to vote or the right to practice religion. The point is, civil rights are not 100% safe. There are risks.

To quote Thomas Jefferson - “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. A whole new meaning to "Waiter, check please"

[PavePusher]

2. Many restaurants appreciate the business in these lean times....

and there has never been a problem at one of these events that was not caused by an outsider or the police being ignorant of the laws.

Many restaurants support Civil Rights, you should get on board.

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[WatsonT]

15. The way people carry on you'd think it was in the constitution or something

But I don't see it anywhere in the original 8 amendments. (people also reference something about illegal search and seizure, but I don't see that either).

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[Starboard Tack]

54. Like the gun peddlers appreciate your business in lean times?

Interesting how bottom feeders get fat when there's more shit in the water.
Bon appetit!

[friendly_iconoclast]

64. They're doing better than the sellers of certain failed moral panics.

Bitter, much?

[Starboard Tack]

75. My point exactly. Profiteering off fear. Disgusting.

[Straw Man]

103. Like insurance companies. Shocking.

[Starboard Tack]

111. Not shocking, disgusting. Like health insurers. You're right

[Straw Man]

113. So shall we ban health insurance?

[Starboard Tack]

115. Absolutely. Healthcare should be universal as it is in most countries.

Nobody should be profiting from the suffering of others. Same as gun peddlers and manufacturers prey on the weak. They are all predators and way more criminal than your average mugger.

[Straw Man]

116. Universal healthcare IS health insurance...

...only publicly funded and not profit-driven. So let me follow your lead and suggest universal armament, also publicly funded.

While we're attacking those who profit from fear and suffering, shall we go after the purveyors of health food, sunscreen, fire extinguishers, and burglar alarms?

I'm curious--you've said you're a gun owner, right? When you bought your firearm(s), was it out of fear? Weakness? Did you tell the person you bought it/them from that he/she was a criminal?

[Starboard Tack]

117. Violence is a social disease. Guns are specific tools of violence

Why would we publicly fund the contributor to a disease?
Health food, sunscreen, fire extinguishers, and burglar alarms are all designed to prolong life. Guns are designed to shorten life.
My pistols were bought for extreme emergencies. Not bought from a gun dealer. Had them for years and they're still in the box. Never needed them.
Other guns I've had in the past were bought for sport and hunting. Grew up on a farm, totally normal. Never thought of taking them into town.

[rrneck]

118. My pistols were bought for extreme emergencies.

And those emergencies never happen outside the home?

[Starboard Tack]

123. Not in my case.

[rrneck]

124. A perfect

consumercentric response.

It really is all about you isn't it.

:rofl:

[Starboard Tack]

129. Consumercentric? What on earth are you saying? All about me?

If you knew the type of gun I have you would realize how wrong you are. My guns are not designed to be carried or fired in public places.

[rrneck]

131. Why? nt

[PavePusher]

132. S/He doesn't own actual firearms.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=402502&mesg_id=403257

[rrneck]

133. Yep.

Another rich hypocrite. Why do those with means always try to turn their sense of entitlement into some moral imperative and force it on others? Why can't having enough be enough?

[Straw Man]

120. So why do you own them?

Health food, sunscreen, fire extinguishers, and burglar alarms are all designed to prolong life. Guns are designed to shorten life.

Obviously you can visualize a situation in which a gun would prolong a life -- namely yours. Otherwise, why own one? Also, please remember that the goal of self-defense is to stop an attack. If the attack stops before the attacker expires, fine.

My pistols were bought for extreme emergencies. Not bought from a gun dealer. Had them for years and they're still in the box. Never needed them.

Not bought from a gun dealer? OK. Are you suggesting that buying from a private seller is somehow morally preferable to buying from a licensed dealer? Even given the fact that then there is no NICS check? There has been a lot of howling about sales by "unlicensed gun dealers" lately. Aren't you abetting that sort of activity?

I'm getting a strong "do as I say, not as I do" vibe here.

[PavePusher]

134. Turns out, s/he doesn't....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=402502&mesg_id=403257

[GreenStormCloud]

65. These aren't lean times for gun manufacturers.

Gun sales have been at all time highs for over two years.

[Starboard Tack]

76. Again my point exactly. The gun makers and sellers profit from fear.

The more they spread the more they profit. Pretty sick, don't you think?
Sounds like you guys are finally getting it.

[rl6214]

96. You could also say that about sellers of bottled water

plywood, generators, canned goods batteries, flashlights and anything else needed during a natural disaster.

[Starboard Tack]

100. Bit of a stretch, don't you think

All those things are useful and none are designed to kill.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

119. Exactly...fear is what sells the GOP.

Exactly, fear is what sells gun and the GOP.

[PavePusher]

71. Interesting how you feel justified in disparaging legal business owners.

Bigotted, but interesting....

[Starboard Tack]

78. Because it is legal doesn't make it sanitary.

They are peddlers of fear and exploiters of the weak and a true scourge on society as is the NRA. Name a legal business or occupation you would consider lower on a moral scale.
A bigot never changes his opinion on things regardless of new information or evidence. My opinions have changed considerably on this subject and will probably continue to change. Stay tuned.

[PavePusher]

87. Now you imply that gun stores/dealers are "(un)sanitary"...

and "(im)moral".

Wow.

[Starboard Tack]

88. I would describe any purveyor of pollution AMORAL and UNSANITARY

Like it or not, FEAR and GUNS are pollutants.

[PavePusher]

89. And the bigotry is fully unconcealed.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

[Straw Man]

104. Not to mention the high moral dudgeon.

Didja get any onya?

[beevul]

79. I have never seen a more apt...

"Interesting how bottom feeders get fat when there's more shit in the water.
Bon appetit!"





I have never seen a more apt description of the gun control movement in its prime.

[Starboard Tack]

101. And their profit motive would be what?

If you want to find the culprit, follow the money.

[beevul]

112. I never claimed they had one.

On the other hand, their motive is to stymie the exercise of a civil right, rather than to simply prevent gun violence, as their warm fuzzy misleading names suggest.



If that weren't the truth, they wouldnt LIE about things that are factually provable or disprovable.


As far as the money is concerned, the firearms industry is TINY when compared to all others.

Thats not opinion, thats FACT.

[villager]

4. Hopefully, they won't get to arguing over the check

n/t

[Glassunion]

8. You wait and see what happens when they 86 the meatloaf. n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

23. Reminds me of the predictions of gun fights at every car accident when

state CHL laws were being debated.

[rl6214]

33. You up for it too, I'll bet you a six pack there are no shots fired

at that event.

[DrDan]

5. more guns - what could go wrong?

[Glassunion]

7. I'm certain everyone will be dead by the end of dinner.

This will result in less gun-toting vigilantes for us to worry about. Score 1 for the civilized.

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[Glassunion]

17. They are probably packing too...

All the better.

[Starboard Tack]

55. They're already brain dead. So won't make much difference

[Hangingon]

6. Unrec Please explain and supply evidence for...

"guns and family restaurants - great for business

not"

[Hoopla Phil]

24. As I recall, Starbuck's profits are up.

[Starboard Tack]

56. Duh!

[Hangingon]

72. Thank you for providing the missing evidence.

[damntexdem]

9. Then I hope that there is ample warning for decent people to stay far away.

I would hate to see a decent person being wounded or killed because they came to the restaurant at the wrong time.

[WatsonT]

16. They should stick to safe places where no one ever gets shot

gun free zones like schools and post offices.

Whereas people are murdered all the time in high gun density areas like shooting ranges and police stations.

[Hoopla Phil]

25. Don't forget the murders at the other high gun density area of the dreaded gun show.

Lots of mass shootings there don't ya know.

[PavePusher]

20. You are accusing legal gun owners of criminal intent.

Cite to evidence to support your accusation, or retract your vileness.

[Hoopla Phil]

26. Yep, see post number 10.

Doesn't see a difference between law abiding and criminal.

[Starboard Tack]

57. You are falsely accusing him of accusing legal gun owners of criminal

intent. Cite to evidence to support your accusation, or retract your vileness.

[PavePusher]

70. Pretty clear to me...

"I would hate to see a decent person being wounded or killed because they came to the restaurant at the wrong time."

...that he's implying that one or more persons are likely to start firing recklessly.

A common slur around here, especially from that poster.

[Starboard Tack]

80. I'm not here to defend him but I read his post differently

People might want to avoid such an event by showing up unaware that the place will be filled with gun toters who are gonna be there specifically to tote in public. When people make statements like that, they are daring others to do something about it. Political protests are not legit when the protesters on one side are armed. Teabaggers do that shit.

[YllwFvr]

94. When people did this sort of thing around here

it was to meet the people they socialize with online. Meet the people they have talked with, in some cases, for years. What else would happen when dozens of gun carriers decide to hang out together and grab a burger? It will mean a mess of armed people.

[nykym]

18. I'd like to see someone

about half way through the event stand up and shout "GUN"!

[Hoopla Phil]

27. Why?

[WatsonT]

30. Or someone stand up in a crowded ACLU meeting

and yell "Fire!"

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. "Big Boy" restaurant - Oh, the irony.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This article is from the Onion, right?

[villager]

28. +1

n/t

[rl6214]

31. Is it really cold enough in Detroit to still need to wear warm clothes?

What are they going to do, line their pockets with hand warmers so they have heat and can keep warm? At least they'll be open carrying so they can fill their pockets with the heat to keep warm.

Packing heat, one of the most stupid phrases the anti crowd uses.:rofl:

[ileus]

34. ohhhhhhhh scary guns at dinner.....

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[Hoyt]

39. Sounds like a TBagger get together. Attendees will probably drool over largest magazine and bore.

[rl6214]

40. Yawn

Boring

Shtick

[DonP]

41. The largest Boor is always self identifying - thank you very much

Besides drool can rust your receiver. Be sure to report back after the event with the body count of dead and injured.

[rl6214]

42. Wrong recipient

Friendly fire, wrong recipient.

[AtheistCrusader]

43. He was being sarcastic.

'Friendly fire' lol

[onehandle]

44. Aren't teabaggers always showing off their guns in public? nt

[Logical]

114. The ones at Obama's speech bothered me. n-t

[Logical]

46. I dislike Open Carry and wish we they would stop it. Draws too much anti-gun press. n-t

[rl6214]

48. That's why we need a national concealed carry

then there will be no need for any open carry.

[Logical]

49. I 100% agree with you!! I think we will be there in five years! n-t

[YllwFvr]

69. I hope you are right

National reciprocity would be good stuff

[YllwFvr]

68. I would do it anyway

:D

[Starboard Tack]

58. Better to be sneaky isn't it?

[ManiacJoe]

60. Tactically, the element of surprise is always a good thing.

[Starboard Tack]

81. Absolutely

[armueller2001]

62. No, it just results in less stress

for who have irrational fears of inanimate objects. It also results in less panicked phone calls to the police by people who are ignorant of the law.

[friendly_iconoclast]

63. And those who fear guns can get hives worrying if someone *might* be armed near them

Right now, they can only do that in 48 states. They should be able to do it anywhere in the US.....

[Starboard Tack]

82. Right

[Union Scribe]

66. As you can see by this response, Logical,

they don't really care how you carry. They'll moan about your rights regardless.

[Starboard Tack]

83. I think Logical understands exactly what I mean and if you don't,

keep watching.

[Union Scribe]

102. I am "watching." Watching you say the exact same thing in another thread.

[Starboard Tack]

110. Good. Keep watching. It will become obvious eventually

unless you already figured it out. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[YllwFvr]

67. 50? Thats it?

Ive been around larger groups in philadelphia

[Hoyt]

85. Good point. The number of folks adamantly encouraging an armed populace is pretty small.

Those with TBagish tendencies -- a large portion of open intimidation supporters -- are pretty pathetic too.

[YllwFvr]

95. I was going more towards

the gatherings like this Ive personally witnessed have dwarfed the size mentioned here.

I myself encourage anyone with the desire to carry to obtain a LTCF and training in its use. The officers I know do the same, and are happy to help people with information on how to go about it.

[Hoyt]

106. What gatherings? -- TBagers packing for intimidation.

[YllwFvr]

109. Takes all kinds

I believe a few were tea baggers, yes, some libertarians. I know a couple were socialists, which I could never understand. Paint with a smaller brush Hoyt :)

[era veteran]

92. A tea bag group had a open carry litter pick up in Lex.

Fucking litterbugs.
I don't mind much about the open carry but everyone was laughing at these cretins.

[PavePusher]

93. "cretins" doing a public service?

Wow, the hate runs deep in some people.

When was your last public roadway clean-up?

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[PavePusher]

121. No, many of them are not.

Some are.

Some so-called Progressives are vile wastes of oxygen. Most aren't.

I like to exercise my Progressivism, in part, by enacting a bit of civility.

And anyone denigrating people doing a public service seems to be flirting perilously close to earning the "cretin" label themselves.

I ask again: When was your last public litter pick-up event?

[era veteran]

125. THEY WERE T E A B A G G E R S

Democrat much? At least two of these cretins were at the Rand Paul rally where the young lady was stomped. I hope this does not mess up your day. There is sunshine out there, check it out.


NOT DEMOCRATS BUT TEABAGGERS........... UNDERSTAND????

[PavePusher]

126. Your vitriol and Associational Fallacy are noted.

Have you done any road-side clean-ups lately?

Also noted is that you called them litterbugs when they are demonstratably the opposite.

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[PavePusher]

128. Yet here you displayed serious bigotry against people peacefully exercising their Civil Right...

while performing a voluntary public service.

I have not defended their political beliefs in any way, shape or form.

[rrneck]

122. They are citizens of the United States

and they have every right to an opinion as you.

They are also voters. Or are you so immersed in your partisan ideology you think you can get any real change in this country accomplished by telling half the population "fuck you"?

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[ileus]

130. don't they know guns kill people?