From 2010 - Some questioning Kentucky’s ‘Castle Law’ after Covington shooting death

[jpak]

http://www.whas11.com/home/Some-questioning-Kentuckys-Castle-Law-after-Covington-shooting-death-103356729.html

A local group is pushing for a closer look into the shooting death of a former University of Louisville football player, as his visitation gets underway in Lexington.

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The group believes the September 16th shooting in downtown Louisville was racially motivated.

But the alleged shooter, Isaiah Howes - a former U of L baseball player, has not been charged.

Detectives call the shooting self defense.

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[lawodevolution]

1. unrec. some isn't enough. Some question if african americans should be able to vote.

[Logical]

2. You are now digging up old stories to make your point? Seriously? Wow. n-t

[ManiacJoe]

3. Since jpak chose to make no point, I offer one for him.

Police say former U of L football star Daniel Covington jumped out of his vehicle and approached another car after words were exchanged.

That's when, WHAS11 News has learned, former U of L baseball player Isaiah Howes fired a shot, striking passenger Joseph Vessels in the hand and hitting Covington in the chest.

Howes has not been charged, since police say he was protected under the Castle defense.

The question the needs to be answered is: What do the police know that leads them to believe that the Castle Defense is appropriate but was not printed in the article?

[jpak]

4. In the case - two guys exchanged words, one shot the other and hid behind the Castle Law

and the more Castle Laws the GOP/NRA gets enacted the more of this kind of horseshit will occur.

legalized murder

yup

[jeepnstein]

5. Or legitimate self defense.

Yup.

[jpak]

8. Self defense was not an issue here - shouting matches now become shooting matches

that kill people and assholes get away with murder

yup

[jeepnstein]

9. Calm down.

I've seen fist fights that have turned into murder trials. Happens faster than you can ever imagine some times. Your anger is clouding your ability to deal with the facts of the case. Don't resort to dipping your hands in the dead man's blood just to satisfy your own emotional agenda.

[Upton]

6. Self defense is not legalized murder..

Btw..why are you so interested in coddling criminals?

[jpak]

10. So - someone flips you the bird or makes reference you mother and you can kill them?

that is NOT self defense

yup

[jeepnstein]

11. Is that the facts of this case?

[jpak]

12. yup

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On the morning of the 16th, a pre-dawn argument turned deadly in a matter of seconds.

Police say former U of L football star Daniel Covington jumped out of his vehicle and approached another car after words were exchanged.

That's when, WHAS11 News has learned, former U of L baseball player Isaiah Howes fired a shot, striking passenger Joseph Vessels in the hand and hitting Covington in the chest.

Howes has not been charged, since police say he was protected under the Castle defense.

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[jeepnstein]

14. I haven't seen the police report.

No way would I presume to judge this on the basis of one news report. If Covington's actions created the perception of imminent serious bodily harm or the threat of death then Howes may very well be in the clear. I'm curious about how the passenger got hit in the hand while Covington took it in the chest.

[jeepnstein]

17. Here's another account.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/16/daniel-covington-former-louisville-player-shot-and-killed/

Sounds to me as if Covington was in the process of climbing into the other fellows car and some blows resulting in cuts and bruises in the process. This isn't so clear cut as you would make it appear.

[ManiacJoe]

22. That certainly paints a different picture.

[jeepnstein]

23. By no means the complete picture.

It's not all as simple as the OP would lead us to believe. Misleading stories often are agenda driven.

[ManiacJoe]

25. Correct on all three.

[ManiacJoe]

20. Your quote leads right back to the question I asked on your behalf:

What unprinted info do the police have that leads them to believe this qualifies for a castle defense?

Instead of jumping to conclusions, join us in acknowledging that the article is so lacking in facts that an accurate conclusion is not possible.

[one-eyed fat man]

13. In a homicide trial the jury has only two issues to resolve:

1) did the defendant kill the decedent and,

2) did the decedent need killing?

[jpak]

16. In this case the answers are Yes and No

yup

[jeepnstein]

19. Wrong.

[Straw Man]

24. Nope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c

[ManiacJoe]

15. Would it not have been simpler just to say, "Good question." ?

Otherwise, please share the unprinted info you have that justifies the castle defense. :shrug:

[Hangingon]

18. Story comments indicate Covington reached into the vehicle.

There are so many reasons to unrec this thread. It is recycled. The reporting is sketchy and incomplete.

[one-eyed fat man]

7. Kentucky law is long-standing

"It is the tradition that a Kentuckian never runs. He does not have to...he is not obligated to retreat, nor to consider whether he can safely retreat, but is entitled to stand his ground, and meet any (life-threatening) attack made upon him with a deadly weapon..." Kentucky Court of Appeals. Gibson v. Commonwealth,i 34 SW 936 (Ky. 1931)

No one should be required to yield to a criminal assault. To insist that you must flee your own home, abandon your car, or retreat in any fashion from any place you have a right to be and avoid confronting the interloper with as much force as is needed to make him quit is ludicrous.

What kind of twisted notion of "civilized" behavior requires me to accommodate a thief, an assassin, or a rapist and makes HIS life less stressful?

You are free choose to cower and plead, "...not in the face, not in the face!" in the hopes your attacker will allow you the courtesy of an open casket funeral.

[Hangingon]

21. Wish we could rec responses