Granny, get your gun ...

[spin]

Granny, get your gun
published: Friday, June 03, 2011
Seniors comprise bulk of card carrying of concealed weapons permits


James Pecoraro didn't give much thought about carrying a gun until he reached Social Security age.

At 66 years old, the Summerfield resident said he just needed to feel safer -- and got a concealed weapon license and two firearms, one a Glock 9. His intuition may have been right.

Sometime afterward, he was in his car in a parking lot when a group of men surrounded his vehicle. Pecoraro said it looked as if they were preparing to rob him.

It may never be clear what the men's intentions were. When Pecoraro reached into his glove compartment for his gun, the men scattered.
http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/60311gramps

The article goes on to describe that people who are eligible to join the AARP hold more concealed weapons permits than those in their 40s or younger.

Florida publishes a monthly report on concealed carry which includes a License Holder Profile Report

Concealed Weapon / Firearm License Holder Profile
As of May 31, 2011



http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_holders.html

[ileus]

1. I suppose the old folks with wealth are worried about being robbed by the young...

[spin]

2. I'm 65 and far from wealthy ...

I have little fear of being robbed but I prefer to be ready and prepared for whatever life may throw at me. That's why I have fire extinguishers, fire alarms, a NOAA weather radio and a concealed carry permit.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. I am a senior and I am not rich. N/T

[rrneck]

3. Heh. Okay, I'll post it.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=azxFvvUtu40

[MyrnaLoy]

4. isn't brandishing a crime?

"a group of men surrounded his vehicle. Pecoraro said it looked as if they were preparing to rob him."

There was no crime here!

[oneshooter]

5. Please read carefully and slowly, voicing each word.

"When Pecoraro reached into his glove compartment for his gun, the men scattered."

He simply "reached for his gun" They left before he retreved his weapon.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[TPaine7]

6. There need be no crime to justify drawing a weapon.

If a person steps out of a door to be greeted by the sight of two agitated young men walking briskly toward him, one carrying a tire iron, he would be justified in drawing a weapon. If they intended no harm, and immediately explained that they were late to an appointment and had a flat, he would definitely not be justified in shooting.

The standard is "would a reasonable person believe that he was in danger of serious assault or other violent felony?" not "has a crime already occurred?"

Walking toward a person with a knife or tire iron is not a crime. But if you wait until the crime occurs--until your head is bashed in or your jugular is severed--you will be incapable of self-defense.

[spin]

7. Very True. (n/t)

[MyrnaLoy]

14. ok

was any of these kids carrying a tire iron? No. You're surrounded on a bus are subway all of the time, is there a reason to pull your gun?

[TPaine7]

15. No, not all situations where you are surrounded would lead a resonable person to conclude

that she was about to be attacked. If a man is walking down the street and five guys converge on him from different directions so as to leave no avenue of escape, that definitely would lead a reasonable person to believe an attack was imminent. On the other hand, if he's waiting at a crosswalk and five guys surround him, abscent obvious cues, he has no reason to assume that an attack is imminent. They have a clear reason to congregate there.

The case here is unusual. Could he have simpy used the car as a defense? If so, drawing a gun (which he apparently did't do) might not have been justified.

[PavePusher]

16. Let's just leave out any kind of context, eh? n/t

[MyrnaLoy]

17. you mean like

kids standing around a car getting gun pulled on them?

[PavePusher]

18. I mean like....

body language/posture, location, time of day, mode of dress, manner of approach, and many other things both consciously and unconsciously perceived and processed through experience and knowledge.....

But I'm quite sure you knew that.

[eqfan592]

20. I would THINK he/she knew that!

Because they claim to have a permit themselves! That they would get such a thing and then not bother to develop any sort of situational awareness to go along with it really speaks to the type of person we are dealing with here.

[PavePusher]

21. This thread kinda drives the last nail in that coffin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=424769&mesg_id=424847

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. How about owning a gun he claims never to have fired?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=424769&mesg_id=424847

That in itself says quite a lot...

[eqfan592]

23. Wow I had missed that...

Yeah, talk about serious hypocrisy!

[MyrnaLoy]

26. well it says

I'm very busy and I don't run right out and shoot the gun the day I buy it. I mean you probably can't wait to load that oiled baby blue machine but I have other things to do. Oh yeah, I haven't practiced my quick draw in front of a mirror either, how's yours coming along?

See I don't live by my guns, yes I said guns. I have 7 or 8 of them. All have been fired except my new one, the Bersa. I'll get around to it, just more important things to do right now. Believe me, I've had guns my entire life and know how to shoot. I just don't fondle.

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. It also says you didn't have sense enough to test-fire it before you bought it.

How do you know it 'feels' right for you and will hit where you aim it while firing it if you've never fired it?

For that matter, it might be defective (out of timing or fail to feed).



You really are a piece of work.

First you defend the ATF's Operation Gunrunner.

Then, you accuse someone of brandishing when they did no such thing.

Finally, you admit to a practice that at best is a poor purchasing habit and at worst dangerous.



I can't see why on Earth we should listen to your opinions about guns and gun owners

[MyrnaLoy]

30. yeah

Ace hardware would sort of get weird if I loaded the .380 and test fired it down the aisle. How stupid are you?

[eqfan592]

31. Is ace hardware the only store that sells guns in your area?

I doubt it. Many gun stores have ranges where you can try before you buy.

[MyrnaLoy]

32. really? you doubt it?

Well once again you would be wrong. Two ace hardware stores, 15 miles apart. Oh and one small gun/fishing store with no range. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[eqfan592]

33. lol, given that I haven't been wrong all that much...

..in my dealings with you, no, not really. But of course, given your distorted view of reality, you probably view being called out for your bullshit almost constantly as somehow being proven correct.

And honestly, I don't trust you one iota after your constant distortions on this forum. For all I know there's a super firearm emporium with a 30 stall shooting range 2 minutes from your house.

[MyrnaLoy]

34. and that

would make you wrong again

[eqfan592]

35. I know you are but what am I?

:P I mean seriously, is that all you've got now?

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. Another member of the MGAFITPGTATP club, it seems.

"My guns are fine, it's those peoples guns that are the problem". Or, alternately:

MDWANNADATDW= "My deadly weapons are nowhere near as deadly as those deadly weapons"

[gejohnston]

36. not to butt in but,

Country bumpkin with small gun store without indoor range, meet City Slicker with giant gun emporium with indoor range.
City Slicker with giant gun emporium with indoor range, meet Country bumpkin with small gun store without indoor range.
Shake hands and let's have a beer summit.

[MyrnaLoy]

25. I'll answer that

a person with common sense who doesn't jump at shawdows. People stand next to his car, this guy reaches for a gun. People standing next to his car see a threat and run or pull their gun. Who showed the most common sense here, not the man pulling a gun, that's for sure!

[eqfan592]

27. Did you just ignore what was said before?

You ignored all the factors that Pave pointed out to you, and you once again talk about a gun being drawn when that was not involved in the story. Are you just being intentionally obtuse at this point?

[Bold Lib]

28. This is also the same person that thought it funny when a police officer

shot and killed someone not breaking any law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=423965&mesg_id=424016

I'm still waiting on weather this person finds all such incidents funny, or just when it happens to a person with whom (s)he disagrees.

[MyrnaLoy]

24. I think I see it!

So when this gun owner made a threatening move to pull his handgun out of the glove box if one of the kids had a carry permit they could have pulled theirs then we could have a good old shootout!

[petronius]

19. Why do you keep skipping the parts of the posts where your question is answered?

:shrug:

[lawodevolution]

8. pulling out a gun is not a crime. Waving it around and aiming it at people is brandishing and can

be a crime if you're life was not in danger.

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. Perhaps you should research the legal meaning of the term "brandishing",....

...as Pecoraro was doing no such thing.


You've got plenty of free time now that you've quit defending Operation Gunwalker. Get busy studying so you can at least

appear to know what you're talking about...

[GreenStormCloud]

12. There was no crime because he prevented the crime.

Your really are anti self-defense aren't you?

[lawodevolution]

9. It doesn't really mean anything unless you can show the rate per 100,000 in each age group

[GreenStormCloud]

13. In Texas the peak age for first-issue CHL is 52.