Michigan CCW Permit holder goes nuts, assaults teen with gun

[Lefty48197]

Michigan State Police reported that a sixty year old man allegedly pulled a handgun on a teen, in an episode of "road rage".
The incident occurred this past Monday after a sudden downpour caused a flash flood at the interchange of I-75 and I-94 in Detroit. The flood caused major traffic back-ups at this heavily traveled interchange. Several reports in the media stated that the sixty year old drove onto the shoulder of the highway, and began passing the stopped traffic. When he decided he has passed enough people, he tried to re-enter the traffic. The other drivers, however, wouldn't let him re-enter. Apparently, this popped his cork. He took his rage out on a sixteen year old driver, first exchanging words with the teenager, but then the older driver pulled our his handgun. It wasn't reported whether he pointed the gun at the teen, or just "flashed" his gun. Either should land him an assault charge. The teen took down the license plate number, and then got a truck driver to call the police.
The alleged assailant is reported to be licensed to carry concealed weapons in Oakland Co., Michigan. I don't know if that allows him to carry concealed weapons in other Michigan counties, or not. If not, then the NRA is sure to be pissed off, because we all know how hard they are always pressing to have the existing gun laws enforced.



http://www.detnews.com/2004/oakland/0407/14/c04-212269.htm

[FeebMaster]

1. There's a thread for this sort of thing right here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x70192

[Lefty48197]

7. This isn't a "guns in the news" post, it's a "gun nuts in the news" post

I'm not as concerned with guns as some of the others in this forum. I'm more concerned with those lunatics that are attracted to guns. Not to say that everybody attracted to guns is a nut, but clearly there are the crazy people that develop obsessions with guns. They are what I fear.

[FeebMaster]

8. It has more guns in it than some of the stories

that get posted in GITN.

[MrBenchley]

10. Which the trigger-happy routinely ignore

[Wcross]

2. Pissed off geezer with a permit flashes gun; kid scared.

See how different it sounds? What is your point? Are you trying to imply concealed carry permits are endangering the citizens of Michigan? Or are you saying that the training this guy had made him think twice about shooting the kid?

[Lefty48197]

5. Ok, I'll end the suspense

My point is that the CCW "permitting" process is an NRA manufactured scam, designed to put as many guns on the street as possible, regardless of the mental stability of those carrying the guns. The NRA hopes to perpetuate the myth that there is some sort of screening process that goes along with our new law, that keeps guns out of the hands of nuts. This case shows that Michigan's new "shall issue" CCW law actually encourages crazy people, like this guy, to carry guns. This guy has probably known, for quite some time, that he has a mental problem. With the new law, he is now able to convince himself that he is part of some sort of citizen militia. Thank God, our forefathers knew the difference between true patriots, and lunatics.

[slackmaster]

6. That particular problem is self-limiting

Geezer's permit will surely be revoked. Problem solved.

[iverglas]

13. round and round that mulberry bush

That particular problem is self-limiting
Geezer's permit will surely be revoked. Problem solved.

Dreadfully convenient that he actually self-limited himself into not using the fucking thing for anything more than an attempt at intimidation.

Had he in fact done something more (and people with firearms in their car appear to do a good deal more with depressing regularity on the highways and byways of the USA), then yup, I guess the problem could have been characterized as "self-limiting".

But then I also guess that it pretty much all depends on how you're defining "problem".

If "problem" is defined to include "dead person", hen there's just no bloody LIMITING left to do, is there??

How exactly might one "limit" a death that has already happened?

How about if we define "problem" to include "not being unable to identify the person who was waving the firearm around in an attempt to intimidate"; how you gonna "limit" that one?

Gosh, we could maybe limit the number of deaths the lunatic sociopath is able to cause, if we can find him/her. That's undoubtedly a great comfort to the family of the person or persons who have been limited out of existence at that point.

[iverglas]

3. no

Shurely not.

A person who is fit to be permitted to haul a firearm around on his/her person would never do such a thing. It's only criminals who do those things. Not law-abiding gun owners.

But hark! What's that we say? He's not a law-abiding gun owner??

Yeah, and that tomato in my fridge wasn't rotten last week, either.

They do say that time changes all things, don't they? Yes they do.

So when's a law-abiding gun owner not a law-abiding gun owner?

Why, when s/he breaks the law.

Life's just one big ol' conundrum.

[Fescue4u]

4. We had an off duty cop do the same thing here a few days ago

Pulled a gun out on another motorist because he cut him off.

They both ended up in an accident as a result.

I'll see if I can find the link. Just saw it on the nightly news the other day.

[MrBenchley]

9. Neurotics with guns...

what a TERRIBLE idea. In every fucking way possible.

[OpSomBlood]

11. Fine, screen out the neurotics then.

Problem fucking solved.

[Lefty48197]

12. We may have found common ground OpSom

I've felt for a long time, that the focus of gun control legislation should be to screen those looking to by the most dangerous firearms. Handguns, and high capacity/caliber rifles are the weapons of choice of those determined to commit a crime, or prepare for a war against some non-existant enemy. A battery of psychological exams could weed out most of the nuts. Of course, the NRA will send out pamphlets showing the nuts how the pass the psychological exams, but there will always be a way to remain one step ahead of them. There's no such thing as a perfect system, but tweaking an existing system to make it better, is always a great idea.