Alan Keyes Advocates Machine Gun ownership (Sun Times)

[Endangered Specie]

Keyes: Constitution protects machine gun ownership

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-sen25.html

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Declaring "the front line of the war against terror once again involves the citizens," Republican Alan Keyes said Tuesday he believes the U.S. Constitution grants properly trained private individuals the right to own and carry machine guns.

"You're not talking about giving citizens access to atom bombs and other things," the former presidential candidate said. "That's ridiculous."

But the GOP nominee for U.S. Senate argued the founding fathers intended the Second Amendment to allow people to carry the types of weapons "customarily carried in those days by ordinary infantry soldiers."


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Keyes only indirectly answered a reporter's question about whether he would "be comfortable if the entire society was walking around with Uzis, as long as they were properly trained."
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Oh well, glad hes not on MY side

edit: TO add a sentence that didnt get copy-pasted.

[MrBenchley]

1. Too too funny...

Wonder which of our trigger-happy chums is going to be first to crawl out of the woodowrk and cheerlead for this imbecile?

[Endangered Specie]

13. Wont be long I reckon.

[shadu]

15. I'll only buy one IF it comes with a laser sight and a silencer!

(And grenade launcher attachment WITH grenades, of course.)

[rooboy]

2. The mere thought that this guy had to clarify that atomic bombs...

weren't part of this glorious idea tells me that the man is seriously unhinged.

[Endangered Specie]

5. Which probably explains why hes not against Uzi's for everyone.

I mean, youd have to be a total nutsack to believe in that ;)

[FeebMaster]

27. Maybe he was anticipating the inevitable screeching

of gun grabbers who seem to love to bring up nuclear weapons if someone advocates owning anything larger than a single shot .22.

[MrBenchley]

28. Yeah, feeb finds a kindred soul in Alan Keyes....

What a fucking shame the two of you have to put up with carping from "gun grabbers" (snicker.)...

[FeebMaster]

31. If you say so.

I don't think Keyes is pro-gun enough for my tastes, though.

"What a fucking shame the two of you have to put up with carping from "gun grabbers" (snicker.)..."

Yeah, it's a hard life, but someone has to do it. No need to put gun grabbers in quotes.

[MrBenchley]

33. I don't have to say so...you did....

[FeebMaster]

35. Really?

Why don't you post a link to where I said that?

[FeebMaster]

37. Just look at this one up in LBN.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=775895&mesg_id=775895


Half the posts immediately start whining about nukes and nerve gas.

[MrBenchley]

38. Perhaps it's because they know a lunatic when they hear one...

open his yap and begin spouting Keyes-type rubbish....

[FeebMaster]

39. I thought it was because

it's easier to whine about nuclear weapons than discuss machine guns.

[MrBenchley]

40. Yeah, but you also think Alan Keyes isn't gun crazy ENOUGH....

[FeebMaster]

41. I think it might be over half the posts now. (nt)

[nickinSTL]

3. "the front line of the war against terror once again involves the citizens

Republican Alan Keyes said Tuesday he believes the U.S. Constitution grants properly trained private individuals the right to own and carry machine guns.

:wtf:

So, we citizens should run around shooting suspected terrorists with machine guns?

[MrBenchley]

9. And of course...

the patriotic folks at gun stores will only sell machine guns to good guys...(snicker).

I think this guy should definitely give the Keynote address at the GOP convention...like Jesse Jackson suggested.

[goclark]

4. He has truely lost it!

The best thing they can do is to let him be seen on national TV lots and lots of times.

He is the true example of the slime that this unadministration puts forth for leadership of our country. He is a real real nut and their "best and brightess" bulb on the Bush tree.

Nov. 2nd hurry and get here.

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[slackmaster]

7. If ownership of machine guns was not Constitutionally protected,

Congress would have banned them outright in 1934. They didn't do that because they knew they would have lost a Constitutional challenge in court.

:nuke:

Republican Alan Keyes said Tuesday he believes the U.S. Constitution grants properly trained private individuals the right to own and carry machine guns.

He's completely out to lunch on that count. The Constitution doesn't grant any rights to anyone.

[Endangered Specie]

8. "The Constitution doesn't grant any rights to anyone."

Thats a new one on me. explain.

edit: Yes it should really be called the Bill of Liberties to be technically correct, but thats picking at bones, instead lets discuss the newest cheerleader for machine gun advocacy.

[slackmaster]

10. The Constitution grants powers and protects some specific rights

The federal and state governments have powers to make laws that restrict rights of the people. All rights exist except those that have been eliminated or restricted through due process of law.

Everything that is not prohibited is allowed.

...instead lets discuss the newest cheerleader for machine gun advocacy.

Alan Keyes is a screwhead. That doesn't mean that everything he says is wrong.

:nuke:

[Endangered Specie]

11. The court has repeatedly struck down state laws

that restrict federally protected rights via the 14th amendments due process clause.

[slackmaster]

16. Yes, exactly my point

n/t

[turnkey]

19. I think the laws governing...

the possession & ownership of fully automatic weapons, are fine just as they are.

[slackmaster]

22. Same here

But I don't like the fact that the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act stopped new ones from being made for ordinary citizens.

[turnkey]

24. Yup!! n/t

[TheRovingGourmet]

12. I love this guy!!! Every day it is something new and each

comment is guaranteed to be more hilarious than the last. Personally, I'm waiting for him to push to bring back slavery. :)

Does Obama have to pay Keyes to campaign for him? I'll send him money if he needs it to keep up the payments.

BTW, you can legally own a machine gun. It takes a lot of money to purchase one legally and is subject to a lot of hassles, but you can do it if you can meet the criteria.

[olddem43]

14. Did he check with the NRA on the A-Bombs?

They might have a different opinion. I remember a state governor many years ago that thought he should have nuclear - I mean Nukular- weapons. But private ownership may be going a little too far. Besides that, Joe Gunnut probably couldn't afford them anyway and the registration paperwork would be a burden.

[shadu]

17. We could all chip in

(We could keep it at my house!)

[Downtown Hound]

18. I'm really worried that this guy is going to win the race now...

Ha! Sometimes I just kill myself!

[gatlingforme]

21. LOL

[gatlingforme]

20. I was wondering when this would be brought up. Alan Keyes

is great for Illinois and Obama. He is a freak to the Dems and most of the Republicans in this state. With his rhetoric, he will make sure Obama wins Illinois. Illinois is split on gun conrol, (which is not really much of an issue right now in Il) upper half of Illinois is for gun control, the lower half is not for gun control. It's a topic only he would bring up because he has no idea what Illinois citizens are worried about.

[hedda_foil]

23. Here's something GREAT no-one's mentioned yet

Illinois Republicans aren't terribly motivated to turn out for Bush because Illinois is SO blue right now. They also have absolutely no party organization to run a major GOTV drive ... and the national GOP isn't going to spend much of their money filling in for the locals in Illinois. Now we have Keyes who, at the rate he's going, won't get more than 25% of the vote (and that's a stretch, since the vast majority of our republicans are pro-choice and quite moderate on everything else) Keyes is certainly not going to turn out the Illinois Republican vote.

So ... the top of the ticket isn't going to energize R's in Illinois and more than usual are likely to stay home as a result.

The result? Because of the high likelihood diminished Republican turnout in the state, we have a much greater likelihood that some of our strong Democratic candidates will capture at least a handful of House seats now in R hands.

[gatlingforme]

42. Great point! and this is also good for local Dems as well,

[CarinKaryn]

25. What a nut!

This is the best the repugnents could do?

[MrBenchley]

26. I love Jesse Jackson's suggestion

that they let this nutcase be the GOP Keynote Speaker at the convention....

[FeebMaster]

29. Oh my god.

First Dick Cheney and now Alan Keyes. Obviously all this time I've been advocating that people be allowed to more freely purchase machine guns I've been terribly mistaken. I mean, if Dick Cheney and Alan Keyes are for it, obviously I shouldn't be for it. I feel like I've been living a lie.

[MrBenchley]

30. Again...you wanted an argument from somebody?

"I feel like I've been living a lie."
If it's any consolation, it hasn't been a particularly convincing one....

[FeebMaster]

32. Does it look like I was looking for an argument?

"'I feel like I've been living a lie.'
If it's any consolation, it hasn't been a particularly convincing one...."

No, it's no consolation.

[MrBenchley]

34. Feeb, I don't think anyone has any clue as to what you think you're doing

[FeebMaster]

36. That's odd

considering how I've been consistent on my views with regard to gun control and pretty much everything else since I started posting here. It's not like I'm happy to announce to the world my feelings on gun control or pretty much any other subject. Why would it be difficult for people to have a clue about that?