Kerry in Camo

[Wickerman]

.... labor unions have been circulating fliers among workers that say Kerry won't take away guns. "He likes his own gun too much," says one of the fliers from the Building Trades Department of the AFL-CIO that features a picture of Kerry aiming a shotgun.

Kerry's aides said he spent about two hours hunting at a blind set up in a cornfield. More than two dozen journalists were invited to the farm outside of Youngstown to see Kerry emerge from the field, but none saw Kerry taking any shots.

Kerry was accompanied by Ohio Democratic Rep. Ted Strickland; Bob Bellino, a board member for the local Ducks Unlimited; and Neal Brady, assistant park manager of Indian Lake State Park in western Ohio. Each of his companions carried a dead goose on the way back, while Kerry walked beside them with his 12-gauge in one hand and the other free to pet a yellow Labrador named Woody.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_np=0&u_pg=1673&u_sid=1236926

edit - heh, heh, the dog is named Woody!

[slackmaster]

1. Ducks Unlimited - The Other DU

Besides Depleted Uranium.

I have relatives in Houston, TX who are Democrats, Sierra Club members, and also NRA members. Ducks Unlimited is very active in some parts of Texas.

If you don't conserve wetlands, there's no place to hunt waterfowl.

[TX-RAT]

3. "Ducks Unlimited

They do a great job with the Playa Lakes and Buffalo Wallows around here. Working with local farmers in planting good long term food plots and field.

[Lefty48197]

33. Thank God the Democrats have worked so hard to preserve wetlands

while those bastard Republicans have worked so hard to make them apartment complexes.

[Az_lefty]

2. OMG! He's joined the Militia!

[Wickerman]

4. Pre-emptive Strike

note that his gun is broken. Thank you, that is all.

[frogbison]

5. Well, thank God YOU aren't in the National Guard!

I think I'd worry about my safety against the terrirrsts!. That there gun is merely unhinged, to carry it more safely. When I find out how to do that, I'll let you know...

:0)

I know unhinged when I see it.

[Wickerman]

6. Very true

I should've been more clear - my Pre-emptiveness was for the usual Gungeon suspects who want to make note of Kerry not handling a gun correctly in each and any photo of him with a gun.

Here, it is broken, or, as you say, unhinged in a safe transport manner.

[frogbison]

7. Aaahhh!

[TX-RAT]

8. Let kill 2 with one shot

You don't break a O/U nor do you unhinge.
You break open.
Thank you.
I'll be back in my hole if needed.

[Wickerman]

9. yeah, you wait there until we call, kay TX?

:eyes:

thanks,

:hi:

[alwynsw]

39. His gun is broken?

Small wonder he has no duck!

[FatSlob]

41. *&#$*#$&*, Coke out the nose really hurts!

[Redneck Socialist]

10. NH Democratic Party is working the Kerry as sportsman angle too.

They are distributing flyers with the pheasant hunting and skeet shooting photos. The flyer reads "John Kerry will protect our rights and our wildlife habitats." It goes on to reinforce the connection between hunting and protecting the environment. I'll give the Kerry campaign props for not letting the NRA just roll over him. It is good to see him fighting back with this message.

[goju]

11. Just once

Just once Id like to "hear" about him hunting, without the camera crew. It makes it look like its all a photo op, though Im sure it is, it would help if the media were left only to talk about it.

[Wickerman]

12. 12 days before an election if he takes a crap its a photo-op

rest assured. No use trying to defend it - hell, at this stage I celebrate it!

The campaign admitted it is a photo-op to minimize damage the RW has done with the assistance of the poster child of apple pie and America, the NRA.

Its all politics at this point and a good move for Kerry. Bush can't go hunting in cammies, it would only remind folks of the Mission Accomplished banner. The fact that Kerry remains a decent shot should indicate that he does hunt on his own time when he can.

[BigDaddyCaine]

19. I posted about this in GD 2004 here is the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1140818

But i must say i disagree that the damage was done by the NRA. Sure they help with the damage but the damage was started by other groups like VPC and MMM. They gave the democrats the gun ban image atleast as much as the NRA has.

[Wickerman]

24. Sorry, I got no use for the NRA and am surprised that

you would go out of your way to be an apologist for them. No one said a thing about the VPC or the MMM here. The NRA ain't my father's NRA - they are something much, much slimmier and unfitting for democracy.

[BigDaddyCaine]

25. I didnt think i did, or was

apologizing for them. They do other things besides politics so they arent that bad. (that was apologizing for them:-)) They have some programs for kids and hunters and shooters of all degrees that are good programs. Their politics just suck.

And i never said anything about anyone here ever saying anything about the VPC or MMM. I dont really know what youre talking about here?

And the NRA of today is still much like your dads NRA... I think maybe you are focusing too much on the politics of the group. If you take away the politics its still mostly the same NRA its always been.

I went back and read my post again and i still dont see what youre talking about. I was talking about Kerry hunting and the shadow he has of democrats past gun control. I didnt even see NRA in the whole freaking thread. Maybe you need to take a deep breath and chill. Your bias, or something, seems to be making you read things that arent there.

[Wickerman]

27. Sorry, the NRA is fighting words here for me at least

I can't divorce the politics from the good they do. Hell, Bush's* own father couldn't and he isn't a man known to care much for fairness. So, no, I CAN'T exclude the politics.

And i never said anything about anyone here ever saying anything about the VPC or MMM. I dont really know what youre talking about here?
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But i must say i disagree that the damage was done by the NRA. Sure they help with the damage but the damage was started by other groups like VPC and MMM. They gave the democrats the gun ban image atleast as much as the NRA has.

You brought up the two "control"-centric groups. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Clearly the NRA politicking started before the MMM, Sr Bush had resigned from them prior to their inception. They were wildly active in politics before JB took his bullet to the brain.

Of course the "gun ban" that most scream about was the product of the Reagan White House and was largely in reaction (though oddly unrelated in caliber) to the change in lifestyle a Republican experienced following an assassination attempt on a Republican. The NRA has done a masterful job of "politicking" that one right back into the Dems lap. The Brady Group started of course, due to that event. (added on edit)

The NRA did grand things in the days gone by, but every hunter I know personally who was of the old school of hunter safety and education has moved on and out of their RW swath, preferring sanity over manufactured crisis.

I didnt even see NRA in the whole freaking thread. Maybe you need to take a deep breath and chill. Your bias, or something, seems to be making you read things that arent there.

I made the mention of the NRA in post #12, the FIRST post of mine you responded to. :eyes: Damn straight I have a bias to the NRA, but I ain't reading anything that ain't there already. I don't "chill" when the NRA attempts to broad-brush my party and someone defends them as
still much like your dads NRA... I think maybe you are focusing too much on the politics of the group. If you take away the politics its still mostly the same NRA its always been.

[BigDaddyCaine]

28. yeah i dont wanna argue about it

I dont like the NRA either. I think they still do some good things but, like you say, they are a right wing group, politically. So there is really nothing to argue about. Sorry, i must have missed the post where i mentioned the NRA. BUt you have to admit, anti gun groups have done just as much damage to Kerrys image as an "anti gunner" as the NRA has. And that is the reason he is out hunting in a photo op 2 weeks before election. He needs and wants people to know that he is a gun owner.

[Wickerman]

29. No, I appreciate you effort to not argue

but again disagree. The anti-gun groups didn't do that damage to Kerry as much as the NRA has been most effective in their propoganda efforts. We used to need our guns to protect us from the commies - now the new villians are the big bad Dems. OH well, at least they still teach gun safety.

Anyway, I seriously doubted Kerry minded the break in his schedule to go out and hunt for afew hours. Of course he also enjoyed the propoganda, but geez, how nice to be able to go out with some good guys and a dog named Woody on a crisp fall day, handle a fine weapon. Hell, I would enjoy that diversion.

[Columbia]

30. Geese are yummy too

Mmm mmm good. Although, I do prefer duck. :9

[BigDaddyCaine]

31. I think they both taste like shit

Unless you have a good recipe. I make a baked duck that taste like liver, but then again, i think ducks taste like liver to begin with. Just dont make a soup with them.

[Columbia]

32. Try roasting

It's the only way to go with duck. Boil garlic, sugar, and soy sauce and pour inside the duck. Baste with honey, vinegar, and soy sauce. Roast (rotisserie) at 375 for about an hour and a half. Man, I'm getting hungry just thinking about it...

[Lefty48197]

34. If we listen to those nuts in the NRA,

they'll tell you that Kerry wants to ban the very gun he used on this hunting trip. They are so full of bullsh*t that I will be shocked if I ever hear a word of truth come out of the mouth of an NRA leader.

[Columbia]

38. Doubtful

Looks like an over and under shotgun which would not be affected by any semi-auto ban.

[12ss1kp]

13. What

Isn't the guy on his right carrying an assault shotgun? I thought since it has one of the pumps on it it was illegal?

[Wickerman]

14. keep up, the ban expired

however I am sure someone here will let you know if that weapon was affected by the ban or not.

welcome to DU, btw

:hi:

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

18. Assault Shotgun?

Read the expired ban, please.

The shotguns in the picture are all legal, assuming of course that all of the shotguns have the magazine capacity restricted to 2 rounds. A 2 round magazine capacity is the maximum allowed for waterfowl.

[BigDaddyCaine]

20. 3 rounds...one in the chamber.

[TX-RAT]

21. You are correct

I think thats what Whiskey meant to say.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

26. Yes

Two in the mag (restricted) plus one in the pipe.

[pen]

44. Only two rounds.

It's an double barrel over and under. It would be a little hard to put 3 rounds in. Notice it is broken at the action...

Edit: sorry, thought you were talking about Sen. Kerry's gun. OOps

[Remmah]

15. I wonder if the dog is actually secret service? nt

nt

[Spoonman]

16. If it's not his wife screwing up it's him.

When will his campaign managers ever get a clue that if he slips up, the opposition will jump all over it.
It's just a matter of time before it comes out, so I'll tell you what it's going to be.

Kerry is in violation of the federal migratory bird act, and his statements and pictures clearly show it.

He is not in possession of the goose he shot, and he and his guide can be cited for it!
Trust me, having been a part time waterfowl guide on the Texas coast for the past 15 years I can assure you this is a fact.
How do I know you ask? Well, I know cause I got the $450 fine to prove it.
I loaded all the ducks and geese on my four wheeler to haul back to the truck, and low and behold who was standing at the tailgate when I got there... a game warden.
I was in possession of multiple birds over the limit, and all three hunters in my party received a $250 fine for illegal transfer of migratory birds.
We all went to court, and all lost. It is spelled out very clearly... you can't even let someone carry it out of the field for you unless you fill out a form stating who you transfered it to, your license number, etc, etc, etc.... this tag must be "affixed" to the carcass, and not one of the birds they shot shows this.

He needs to gag his wife and fire his managers!

[TX-RAT]

17. I loaded all the ducks and geese on my four wheeler

(and all three hunters in my party received a $250 fine for illegal transfer of migratory birds.)
You are correct, your hunters broke the law when giving you the birds. You broke the law when accepting.
Did you get any repeat business from your hunters?

[CarinKaryn]

22. WHy are you pointing that out? Who's side are you on?

There are somethings we all know that we do not have to talk about in public until AFTER he is elected. Why give the other side fuel? Can't you just keep quiet?
I question your movitations in posting this where everyone can see it.

[Lefty48197]

36. Welcome to the gun dungeon Carin

that's what their operatives do.

[Columbia]

37. Oh, Carin is no stranger to the gungeon

In fact, she is very well-versed in firearms terminology. Actually, she is the ONLY gun-control advocate I've seen on this forum to be almost as knowledgeable of weaponry as any pro-gun rights advocate.

[alwynsw]

43. I'll assume the best intentions.

Hopefully the idea for pointing this out is to help keep the rest of us from unwittingly breaking the law.

Trust me, CK, there are plenty of folks at the NRA and such who picked up on this as soon as they read the story. Mention on this board is very minor compared to what the NRA will do if they decide to use it.

OTOH, our guy needs to set the proper example all the time. That goes with the turf when running for/becoming president.

[ava27]

23. Someone please tell him to stop this.

I am very disappointed with Kerry about his hunting trip. I am a vegan. It is bad enough I see those packages of harmless animals when I go to the supermarket. It is worse to see him smiling and saying he killed an innocent goose himself.

[Lefty48197]

35. Don't eat Kerry's goose, if you're a vegan. Problem solved.

.

[alwynsw]

40. To quote Ron White once again.

I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat carrots.

OTOH, feel free to eat what you please.

[blondeatlast]

45. Did you ever pick the wrong forum.

You are a brave, brave soul.

See you tomorrow?!

:evilgrin:

[Spider Jerusalem]

46. "Packages of harmless animals"?

Harmless, my eye. Have you ever seen someone get gored by a steer?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Agreed . . .

I know at least two people who wouldn't vote for him after that display.

[riverwalker]

42. PETA rumor?

I have many apolitical undecideds hunters in my family. They hate the chimp, but keep telling me that PETA has endorsed Kerry, and so they can't vote for him, because "they will ban hunting". (Stupid, I know, I know....) Now a PETA endorsement sounds nice for animal lovers, but is the kiss for death to some hunters. So I have searched the web and have found nothing about this, NOTHING. In fact, PETA is endorsing a cartoon character called "Crispy Carrot" for president, not Kerry. So where is this rumor coming from? Is there a hunting magazine or something that said this?

[Redneck Socialist]

47. NRA is saying that...

Kerry has a 100% rating from PETA. I'm not sure what that means and I couldn't find anything about Kerry one way or the other on PETA's website. :shrug: I would take anything concerning Kerry coming from the NRA with a very large grain of salt.

[iverglas]

49. PETA and Kerry

I'm curious.

This forum
http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-comments-popup.php?p=3331&c=1
contains what is presented as an email from PETA on the subject:

Thank you for contacting PETA about political candidates who engage in blood sports. Please understand that PETA certainly opposes any activity which causes intentional harm to animals, including hunting and fishing.

As a 501©(3) nonprofit, educational organization, PETA is prohibited from participating in any political campaigns or endorsing a particular candidate or party. However, we encourage you to contact the candidate or party that you are interested in directly; ask the party representatives for their position on animal rights, and tell the candidate that animal rights issues will influence your vote.

To learn a candidate’s position on a comprehensive list of issues, including animal protection, please contact Project Vote Smart at 1-888-VOTE-SMART or http://www.vote-smart.org (be sure to include the hyphen). ...

The person who posted it appears to oppose hunting, so it seems credible.

I love this exchange:
http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/9951.asp

A co worker told me the other day that if john kerry gets elected, then all types of hunting will be banned, including fishing. that he is a supporter of organizations like PETA. of course she couldn't give me any more information then that.

has anyone here heard any of his animal/environmental views ? is this true ?

Scout....................He can't do that. I think it is in the Bible, maybe one of the commandments. Thou shalt not bann hunting and fishing.

And now, the horse's mouth:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:hTJv5_uI0lIJ:www.nrapublications.org/guard/index.asp+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

(I had to use google's cache of the NRApublications site, which no longer exists --?)

John Kerry, the self-appointed “hunter,” gets a 100 percent seal-of-approval from the Humane Society of the United States, an organization that believes, “If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.” Kerry garners a 100 percent rating from Fund for Animals that rants, “Hunting is cruel. It is deceitful. It is socially unjustified. It is ecologically disruptive. Fund for Animals opposes hunting in all its forms.”

PETA itself has a tax status that prohibits it from endorsing a candidate, as I understand it. I would think that the Humane Society and the Fund for Animals have the same status -- and here is where I think the concept of "endorse" is being misused (although the NRA does not claim "endorsement" in the above article, "seal of approval" is not an accurate characterization of a high rating.)

Such organizations could well rate candidates -- on their record or on questionnaire answers, for example -- according to how well they score by standards set by the organization. The rating would not be an "endorsement", it would just be information made available to potential voters.

And then it comes down to what those standards are.

If someone rated George W. Bush and John Kerry according to ... wait, let me think, there must be something on which Bush would score higher than Kerry in my eyes ... how about ... damn ... "Looks good when wired for sound" -- and I thought it was important for a US president to look good when wired for sound -- then Bush's higher score might sway me in my voting, if I were voting.

PETA is hardly going to rate presidential candidates by standards like "never eats meat", "supports banning hunting", "opposes property rights in animals" -- because all candidates available would fail the test miserably. Why bother? If they think that one candidate will likely serve some of their goals better -- say, will act more vigorously to prevent intentional abuse of animals -- they want that to show up in the ratings.

If PETA were rating candidates, it would obviously choose standards on which the candidates might be expected to differ. And, if one were of a suspicious bent, one might expect them to choose standards on which the candidate they secretly favour would score best.

But anyhow, if we can rely on the NRA and that purported email from PETA (which appears elsewhere on the net, including one of our favourite elsewheres, or, as we say in the parliamentary tradition, <i>in the other place</i>), PETA hasn't rated candidates at all.

Not that this has stopped all manner of RKBA-heads from saying otherwise in their various dens on the internet.

[turnkey]

48. "Crispy Carrot"

is John Kerry's Secret Service code name!! :D

[RegexReader]

50. too bad he didn't hunt for votes

with the same enthusiasm on November 3rd.x(


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