Anger sweeps Middle East over cartoons of Mohammad

[channa18]

full story here


Muslim anger erupted across the Middle East after Friday prayers, as crowds emerged from mosques burning European flags and vowing revenge for 'blasphemous' cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad printed in European newspapers.
'We will not accept less than severing the heads of those responsible,' one preacher told worshippers at the al-Omari Mosque in the Gaza Strip as tensions spread over the publication of the cartoons, first in Denmark and later in Norway, France, Germany and Spain.

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In Lebanon, thousands of Palestinian refugees marched through the streets of their camps, burning Danish and Norwegian flags and calling on Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader, to avenge the Prophet Mohammad.

'We will not be satisfied with protests. The solution is the slaughter of those who harmed Islam and the Prophet,' said Sheikh Abu Sharif, spokesman for the militant Osbet al-Ansar group, at a rally in Lebanon's largest camp, the southern Ein al-Hilweh.

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[Flabbergasted]

1. Holy Cow! I wonder how servious they are?

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[The Backlash Cometh]

3. You know what is so sad about their reaction?

They're proving the right-wing nutters in this country, right.

Too bad we can't just pit our nutters against their nutters, then call it a day.

[JuniperLea]

4. I've been hearing about this cartoon all day, but haven't seen it

Is it still around somewhere?

[Kagemusha]

5. It's not like the stuff's funny, from what I've heard.

Suit yourself though.

[JuniperLea]

6. I never said it was funny!

I just like to judge for myself!


sheesh

[pocket]

12. here they are:

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=12146

[Scurrilous]

7. Self delete

:)

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[channa18]

9. That makes me sad to see.

very sad indeed.

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[channa18]

11. There used to be an old civil rights saying.....

"If you burn with rage, you just burn up".

[cali]

13. Yes, the rage is disturbing

but it doesn't arise out of a vacume, and those speaking in the article you posted, represent only the most radical and angry. We have to remember that they don't represent all Muslims.

It seems you have a history of posting negative articles about Islam. I think that's a shame. I'm sorry to say that I question your motives.

[Tom Joad]

15. Motives are crystal clear. And tragic.

[barb162]

24. What are the motives?

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Same as yrs, I'd say...

nuff said...

[barb162]

26. are yours better?

:sarcasm:

[Violet_Crumble]

29. I'm not in the habit of doing lots of negative posts about Islam...

If I were, I might be better equipped to answer...

Violet....

[Behind the Aegis]

30. Seems you share something with the OP. n/t

[barb162]

33. What an inane little tidbit

what does that have to do with the OP

[Violet_Crumble]

39. Nothing inane about pointing out I don't do something like that...

And I'm replying to a post from you that had nothing to do with the OP....

Violet...

[barb162]

60. Really? what does your post 25 have to do with the OP?

and any comment seeming to indicate you have knowledge of my motives IE., your comment "Same as yours"

[Violet_Crumble]

61. I just told you in post 39

I have this aversion to repeating myself so soon after I'd just said it...

Violet...

[barb162]

34. So why don't you tell me what my motives are. Your make the claim

[Violet_Crumble]

40. Don't need to...

n/t

[barb162]

36. unless you have an advanced degree in psych I don't know what

you're doing writing about the motives of others or portraying yourself as knowing what the motives are.

[Violet_Crumble]

41. If I have an advanced degree, it's okay?

oh-kay. So does this rule only apply to me, or does it also apply to those who post saying that other posters are in denial or claiming what their motives are when they dare utter the slightest criticism of Israel?

Violet...

[barb162]

43. Not any ol degree, but an advanced psych degree.

Because if you want to talk psych, then having a PhD is usually the minimum standard, at least around here, for people to start hanging out their shingle.

Now here's a cute story about a fairly famous idiot called Dr. Laura Schlesinger, who had a radio show, until gays got her shut down. Giving advice over the radio, a real 30 second "problem solver", didn't know squat about the people calling in, but there she sat giving advice to people she never met, was anti-gay, etc. She had a PhD but it was in physiology. OOPS. Well I guess she figured since psych and physiology both begin with "p"s it was okay to give out schlock advice on personal problems over the radio.
http://www.washingtonfreepress.org/44/mediabeat.html

[Violet_Crumble]

44. How would you know if you don't have that degree?

:)

[barb162]

45. how would I know what?

[Violet_Crumble]

47. My post was really clear barb...

And as I think this exchange is absolutely pointless and don't give a toss about what anyone but DU mods and admin claim I should and shouldn't do, I'm not going to be repeating myself...


Violet...

[barb162]

59. your posts 44 and 47 are not clear

except for the statement that the exchange is pointless. It's not pointless but it sure is off-topic to the OP

[Violet_Crumble]

62. Can't get any clearer, sorry...

This may come as a shock, but no-one at DU sticks strictly to the OP, not even you, barb...

Violet...

[Behind the Aegis]

28. What are those motives? n/t

[channa18]

32. Ahhhh.....Motives and tragedy.

Islam never had an "Age of Reason" like the west...they are still Medieval

They are completely hostile to the modern world.

they'd bury their own mother up to her neck and smash her head with rocks
their father wanted a younger wife and falsely accused her of adultery..

Sorry, but it wouldn't matter. The reaction of these people
are proving the cartoonist right.

The Danes I know have told me that they are fed up with the
Muslim immigrants and their insistence that Denmark change to suit THEM.

The arrogance and the bigotry of the muslim immigrant population has pushed many of them to a breaking point. They are sick of it, and I don't blame them.

Too many Muslims are still living in the Middle Ages.

THis feels like the understatement of the millenium, but:
Radical Muslims have some fucked-up priorities.

And allll from one thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2085845#2085954

I bring this to your attention.I agree with none of it.

I have attacked no one.

[channa18]

37. More Motive and Tragedy....same LBN thread..

Who gives a shit WHAT it represented, it was a drawing
Religion of peace my ass!*

HAHAH! Fuckers, go ahead and make everything you hate about those
cartoons absolutely correct.Stupid fundie douchebags

It is understandable that Muslims may feel offended by a cartoon published in a remote newspaper in a remote Nordic state... but like the brainwashed radical lemmings that most religious fanatics are, they are making the entire nation of Denmark, the EU and the entire west RESPONSIBLE for this "offense."

It's unfortunate how many here can't seeem to reaalizee thta Islamic fundamentalism is a major threeat to the world.

The impression I get is thahat many of thee immigrants aare trying to impose their beliefs on society, rather than accepting theh traditionally libereal values of those nations.



What strikes me is the incredible immaturity of these fanatics, they don't go through proper channels, they don't organinze to petition for their rights, they don't engage in dialogue - They go straight to killing.


and this little gem....

Savages

[channa18]

38. And just one more...from LBN...

Ooohh, the "religion of peace" is preaching violence. Imagine that.


Who will dare....."offend the sensibilities" of fundamentalist Muslims now?

They are bullies...As are all people of violence. They take our goodwill and mistake it for fear. I'm all for freedom of religion, but these people treat women like their cattle.

If you write something critical of Muslims you very well may be hunted down and have your throat slit.

Muslims have to join the modern world or get left behind.

AND this little gem (or should i say jem)

Well only if you are a brown scumbag, if you were a white scum-
bag, then you are on your own. You see, people who aren't white never do anything wrong, they are never violent or hateful and every bad thing they do is because white people made them do it.


all in one thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2086241#2086633


not my words.

[channa18]

52. Still More Motives and Tragedy

Apologists who keep insisting this is a "peaceful religion"?

What a bunch of savages.

But this is a "peaceful" religion. :sarcasm::puke:

The "religion of peace" strikes again.

Unfortunately, Mohammed as terrorist now seems pretty accurate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2087629

Of course those are not my words. And I repudiate them.

Mr. Joad, perhaps you can comment,if you wish ,on all their motives and whether they are crystal clear ??

Of course its your perogative not to answer. You are of course under no obligation to answer.

I politely and respectfully await your response if you wish.

[Colorado Blue]

54. Wow. 'Nuff said.

I'm sort of in shock actually - by all of it -

Some philosophers and historians have been claiming there's a "culture clash" and others have been saying, nah - but now I'm beginning to wonder.

I think people need to sit down and talk about this, when the smoke clears, and when mutual anger has cooled. We've got to cut each other some slack, because with 6 billion people on this planet, and all sorts of conflicting and overlapping belief systems, EVERYBODY is going to be offended at least part of the time.

There must be ways to deal with that, which enable some mutual education and an increase in mutual respect and understanding.

[barb162]

22. Is this a "negative article" on Islam?

I wonder why you make that statement and I also wonder about your motives for the second paragraph.

(PS I see really nothing here on the theology of Islam or things like the concept of God in Islam such as in comparative religion studies)

[Behind the Aegis]

27. And I question yours...

"It seems you have a history of posting negative articles about Islam. I think that's a shame. I'm sorry to say that I question your motives."

Posts started by channa18:

Hamas, Fatah gunmen battle over election results

Anger sweeps Middle East over cartoons of Mohammad

Why Hamas won

Jihad Against Danish Newspaper

Iranian press hail Hamas's win

Two threads are about the Danish incident and three are about Hamas. This hardly seems like "a history of posting negative articles about Islam." Unless, you are conflating the Palestinian government with Islam.

[barb162]

35. Looks like there are no threads started about Islam the religion

Hamas, Fatah, Iranian, Anger....

[Tom Joad]

14. Diane Feinstein seeks to imprison those who desecrate

US flag.

http://feinstein.senate.gov/releases00/flag_desecration_amdt.html
Yes, that is "nicer" than calling for someone's head. Although it is certainly calling for violence toward offenders (weeks or months of incarceration is violent, make no mistake about that, especially for something that is really nothing more than political expression)

So there is sure plenty of absurdity here too. And this support certainly flys in the face of the First amendment, that DiFi swore to defend.

My point is that we do not need to look tens of thousands of miles away to see people who would suppress free speech. It can even be found by a very wealthy, privileged, very "educated".

[Coastie for Truth]

16. If DiFi is defeated

the California electorate won't replace her with Tom Campbell or Steve Poizner or Matt Gonzales. Try Rick Pombo or Tom McLintock or Dan Lundgren or Darryl Issa.

One thing they would do is finish Reagan's job and bring the UC system to heel - and cut out the Fraud, Waste, Abuse, and Duplication alleged to be in the UC System.

And maybe they would put David Horowitz on the UC Board - to keep Ward Connerly company.

[Tom Joad]

18. Did you read the post? Please do so.

Carefully. It did not say that DiFi should be replaced... another subject, another day. It just said what this "enlightened" Senator is doing. I was just making the point that she too is fanatical when it comes to certain symbols, and she is not alone.

[barb162]

20. Where does your link state that she seeks to imprison?

Thre's nothing in that 4 yr. old link that discusses penalties at all.

[Coastie for Truth]

21. He obviously didn't read the release. NT

[barb162]

23. hmmmmmm

:hi:
so did you have your danish this morning?

[Jim Sagle]

50. No, but I had pancakes.

[Scurrilous]

56. Others preferred pizza:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=183132

[Behind the Aegis]

58. Yup...quite correct...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=181925

[Behind the Aegis]

17. ADL Statement on Danish Cartoons Depicting Mohammed

New York, NY, February 2, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) issued the following statement in response to the controversy stemming from the twelve cartoons depicting Mohammed featured in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and reprinted in other European newspapers:

ADL is opposed to religious, racial and ethnic stereotyping in the media. We found some of the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten troubling, particularly the direct linkage of Mohammad and violence.

At the same time, we are gravely concerned by the extreme violent reaction these cartoons have generated in Muslim communities in Europe, and particularly in the Middle East. It is certainly the right of individuals and governments to express their disagreement with these depictions. However, the use of violence, threats, boycotts and other extreme reactions are highly inappropriate and bode ill for future debates involving Islam, democracy and free speech.

What has been overlooked in the controversy is the fact that despicable anti-Jewish caricatures appear daily in newspapers across the Arab and Muslim world. While invoking the supposed "freedom of the press" in their countries, Arab and Muslim leaders have refused to take any action to stem the drumbeat of anti-Semitism in widely circulated newspapers, many state-sponsored. Indeed, leaders of regimes such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia have virtually ignored appeals from the United States and Jewish organizations to put an end to incitement in their media, excusing it in the name of "freedom of the press." One would hope that leaders of Arab and Muslim countries would turn all of the anger being aimed at the European press into a larger lesson for their own people about the power of images.

continues...

[barb162]

19. Now that was a great statement

Thanks for posting it.

[channa18]

31. I *SECOND* that.....

I couldnt agree more.

[channa18]

42. Oh darn.....Protesters set fire to Nordic embassies in Damascus

Demonstrators in the Syrian capital set fire to the building that houses the Norwegian and Danish embassies.

Also on Saturday, Israeli Arabs took to the streets Saturday afternoon, joining a wave of protests sweeping the Middle East over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammed that were first published in a Danish newspaper, then reprinted in about a score of other European papers.

Some 500 protestors marched through the Galilee city of Nazareth, expressing their solidarity with the Muslim world.The protests follow days of outcry in Europe and the Arab world over the drawings.

The attacks on the embassies of Denmark, Sweden and Norway were the most violent so far of the protests against the caricatures.

more here

[gonzo8]

46. Every Newspaper in Europe and the U.S. should run the cartoons...

...to show support for the practice of free speech and reject attempts by the religious fanatics to intimidate the press. What are these buffoons so afraid of anyway? Muhammed with a bomb on his turban? Big deal.

It is a tragedy these clowns don't spend half as much time trying to create jobs and improve the lives of their people as they do knocking their heads on the floor and issuing fatwas calling for people to be beheaded for offending Allah. If Allah is all powerful, I hardly think he would be intimidated by a few silly cartoons.

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[gonzo8]

55. Absolutely...

Actually, I think every newspaper in the world should publish them to show their support for free speech. In Israel, given the fact that religious fanatics would undoubtedly use the cartoons as yet another justification to attack civilians, perhaps they should be more cautious as a practical matter.

[Violet_Crumble]

57. This is for you, gonzo. Thankfully segments of the media are responsible.

EDITORS make decisions to censor the news every day. To exclude material that is offensive, distressing, biased or just too dull is not necessarily an affront to freedom of speech. It is a very fine line to tread and no part is finer, perhaps, than the knife-edge between satire and insult. Gauging potential audience reaction is no longer just a matter of understanding the local community a media organisation serves. Instant global communication means inflammatory news whips its way around the world so fast that reason can be left languishing on the blocks, long after the angry mobs have taken to the streets.

The Herald will not publish the controversial Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad. This is not a sop to those bent on exploiting the cartoons to justify their outrageous, and disproportionate, acts of violence. Those extremists torching Western embassies and glorifying terrorism crave any confrontation which will bolster their anti-Western position. But the self-serving agenda of extremists should not be confused with the genuine offence caused to other Muslims around the world. We know it is offensive to Muslims to portray the prophet Muhammad in any way, let alone as a damning terrorist stereotype. We also know that tarring all Muslims with the same terrorist brush dangerously stokes tensions, especially in Western societies with Muslim minorities. Sydney does not need to be reminded of the Cronulla riots. The Herald will publish descriptions of the cartoons and an internet link. But just as we do not need to publish pornographic images to debate pornography, we do not need to amplify the offence by publishing the cartoons.

Freedom of speech should be reinforced and promoted, but there are far finer causes to uphold than the right to lampoon Islam. Nor is freedom of speech without proper limits: it is not a licence to incite hatred or violence. Outdated national media codes and anti-vilification laws have little clout in the borderless domain of cyberspace. In cyberspace there lurks material to offend us all. The most effective response may be to see the cartoons for what they are: crude, poorly drawn, not funny and undeserving of such attention.

http://www.smh.com.au/editorial/index.html?page=2

[channa18]

48. And of cartoons...Classical Anti-Semitic Caricatures of Jews

http://www.adl.org/egyptian_media/media_2001/caricatures_of_jews.asp

:puke:ALERT !!!!!


Unfortunately the rules wont allow me to post them but please look....its very revealing.


Its very sad....very sad indeed.

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[channa18]

53. Quite an amazing CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS is occuring....

right before our very eyes.

Much of europe and imho, most if not all the euro-elites always had a special understanding of the umbrage the muslim world has felt. Especially with regard to israel, where, while they didnt CONDONE the wanton atrocities committed on innocent israelis, they sure as hell ALWAYS did find excuses and "understanding" and it was ALWAYS,ALWAYS israel's problem.

Well, the chickens has come home to roost.

Now EUROPE HAS the flip side of their "understanding". Right in their own home, groups of muslims are now rioting against europes tradition of free speech....and 'lo and behold' they dont like it one bit.

Yeah...it was ok when it was 'israel's problem' and their lack of understanding.

Not so funny anymore WHEN ITS DIRECTED AT YOU.


And quite frankly, had you actually really thought about it, it was going to happen in time.