Gang rapes Jewish women as 'revenge'

[oberliner]

A gang of serial rapists has been prowling the North, raping Jewish women as revenge for IDF actions in the West Bank, police revealed Tuesday after arresting six suspects.

"We are raping Jews because of what the IDF is doing to the Palestinians in the territories," one of the six suspects told investigators from the Northern District Central Investigative Unit (CIU) during questioning. During their questioning and their brief appearance at the Nazareth Magistrate's Court Tuesday, none of the four main suspects indicated that they felt remorse for their actions.

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The first attack occurred in April 2005, when a 13-year-old girl was raped at the Zevulun Beach in Kiryat Yam. In December of that year, a 19-year-old soldier was kidnapped and raped just outside of Kiryat Ata.

According to police, the gang attacked again three days later. In that assault, the gang allegedly kidnapped a 16-year-old girl who was standing with her friends at the Kiryon Junction in Kiryat Bialik. They allegedly took her to a grove near Tamra, where they raped her.

It was after the third attack, commander of the Northern District CIU Asst.-Cmdr. Menahem Haver said, that the police realized they were dealing with a serial rape gang. In that case, the teenage victim told investigators that one of her attackers told her the attack was in revenge for IDF operations in the Gaza Strip.

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[maxsolomon]

1. that's not the only reason you are raping women

life without parole.

[cali]

2. Raping 13 year old girls

as retribution for the Occupation is beyond disgusting. I really don't know what else there is to say, except I hope they all rot in jail for the rest of their lives. No matter how young they are.

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[cali]

5. I hope I never see you

accusing someone else in this forum of trying to divert attention from the topic at hand. Yes, the story you post, and have posted before, is tragic and a grave injustice, but that you don't seem to have the ability to express ANYTHING about this, speaks volumes.

Sadly, I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised.

[Tom Joad]

8. You didn't read my post. or at least look at the link. I am not surprised.

My link goes to Remember these children.

If you went there, you would see that it remembers all the children who are victims of the occupation, Israeli and Palestinian. No child is worth more, no child is worth less.

My post did not mean to in any way diminish the tragedy reported in the original post, or its criminality, but a plea to Remember all the children who suffer as a result of this occupation.

Making inferences about what one does not say is not helpful Cali.

[cali]

14. You posted something that had

zero, zilch, nothing to do with the subject at hand, and if you'd read the full story in the OP, you'd know that it was not just children who were raped, it was adult women as well. You preach that no child is worth more or less, but instead of simply condemning what happened to these girls and women, and the motivation behind the crime, you posted a story about the wrongful and tragic death of a Palestinian child at the hands of the IDF. That sure doesn't look like someone who believes that all children are of equal worth. It was an odd response. And you still haven't managed to condemn these rapes, or express any sympathy for the victims. You politicized it in what I consider to be a very cheap way. And I called you on it. Let me suggest that if you didn't want to be taken the wrong way, your response to the OP should have been different.

[Tom Joad]

17. Cali, please read...

My statement, emphasis added for your benefit:
"My post did not mean to in any way diminish the tragedy reported in the original post, or its criminality, but a plea to Remember all the children who suffer as a result of this occupation."

Your claim:
"you still haven't managed to condemn these rapes"

Saying that something was a tragedy and criminal does seem to be condemning the act, I don't know how it can be seen otherwise.

I am sorry that my original post wasn't more clear, so i should take responsibilty for that, especially since i should have known the understandable emotions the original post would bring out.
For the record, i never condone or support any violent attacks on civilians, Palestinian, Israeli or anyone else, i have said this repeatedly. I would put it in my sig line if i could.

The story in the original post is an especially heinous act, but very tragically not the only one in the conflict. Nothing justifies this, and nothing will justify the killing of another Palestinian or Israeli child.

[cali]

20. Thank you.

I'm honestly relieved to hear you say this.

[oberliner]

16. When you say "children who suffer as a result of this occupation"...

Are you suggesting that these Jewish girls (and women) were raped as a result of the occupation?

[rockymountaindem]

6. I suppose you think the one justifies the other?

Do you care to explain yourself or is this just a drive-by?

[cali]

7. Whatever else it is,

its strangely callous. And I don't care whether this post is deleted.

[Tom Joad]

9. Read my response. No one looked at the link???

The subject is a terrible crime against 13 year old girl.

[rockymountaindem]

11. So you do think one side justifies the other, then.

I mean, one crime against a 13 year old girl is okay as long as its done as revenge for the comission of another, by your logic.

[Tom Joad]

12. My point was that all 13 year olds should be seen of equal value.

if you wish to take issue with that, you may.

[rockymountaindem]

13. Okay

But when someone posts that a gang is raping Israeli women to get revenge for their own losses, and then you make a post that's simply about said losses, it seems like you're trying to justify the actions of the rapists by saying "well, they have a point".

[crim son]

4. Fuck that. I have a great deal of sympathy for the Palestinian

people; however I spent the weekend with my jewish sister and her four little jewish children all of whom I love very, very much. It appalls me to think that somebody would commit an act of violence against any of them, simply because they are jews. :grr:

Sorry; I'm a lounge lizard and we make excessive use of the smileys.

[Tom Joad]

10. Remember these Children.

I hope this is not deleted, it express sorrow at the death of Jewish and Palestinian children.

http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/about.html

[cali]

15. Just out of curiosity,

Why not speak for yourself?

[Tom Joad]

18. What do you mean?

[cali]

19. I mean why

post a story in response to the OP, why not simply use your own words to express yourself?

[breakaleg]

21. A new low. n/t

[eyl]

22. Somehow, I really doubt

that's more than an excuse.

[cali]

23. It may or may not be an excuse

but whether it is or not, changes nothing. Rape has long been an instrument of war, and used as an expression of hatred towards others.

[Violet_Crumble]

24. That's a bit simplistic...

While rape has historically been a weapon used by soldiers at war, this is a case of Israeli civilians raping Israeli civilians. Not being inclined to take the word of rapists as having any value, it sounds more like this was a gang of thugs who in their own sick minds thought their crimes gained some legitimacy if they attributed a political motive to it. But when I read that article, it appears more like the crimes were ones of opportunism, and it reminded me very much of the serial gang-rapes that happened in Sydney a few years ago. And as with the rapists in Sydney who got prison terms on average over 50 years, I hope these mongrels in Israel get similar long terms and don't see the light of day till they're too old to hurt another woman again...

In the end, I don't give a shit what they say their motives were. I'm just glad they were caught and they can't hurt anyone else. My heart goes out to all their victims...

[cali]

25. Glad to hear

your heart goes out to the victims.

[oberliner]

26. Israelis civilians or Palestinian civilians?

Do you think the suspects consider themselves Israelis or Palestinians or both or neither?

[Violet_Crumble]

27. I don't know or care what they think of themselves as...

I don't know about you, but I don't spend any time worrying about the inner workings of rapists minds....

[oberliner]

29. Let me ask the question more broadly then

I've read various articles posted here that answer this question differently and I wonder if you (or anyone else) have any insights into this question.

Do the majority of Israeli Arabs self-identify as Palestinians?

[pelsar]

30. the palestinian - arab - israeli identity....

thats a tough one....on the surface many and perhaps most israeli arabs now call themselves palestinians....its now a part of their identity...but its not that simple.

for instance when it comes to "moving" to the palestinian state, the answer is (one arab mayor put the number at 93%) the answer is no, they are too much israeli to live under an arab govt.

one israeli arab movie director was forbidden to put forth his film in the egyptian film festival, i believe last year , by the egyptians who saw him as an israeli (egyptian professional groups boycott israel).

so whereas they do identify on one level, on others they also have conflicting identities.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. Let me ask what this has to do with my post you originally replied to

It seems to me that you had some problem with me referring to the rapists as Israeli civilians. I can't see anything else in the post that would have led to these totally unrelated questions from you.

[oberliner]

35. Exactly that

I think it's more than a case of Israeli civilians raping Israeli civilians. I think that the ethnicity of the alleged rapists and victims is significant especially in light of the alleged comments regarding motive.

[Lithos]

28. There is no excuse for rape

It is far too personal of an act. I'm extremely sad for the victims and hope they can recover to lead their lives again without fear. I'm extremely glad these men were caught - may they stay inside an Israeli jail forever.

L-

[eyl]

32. Unfortunately, given the way

sentencing works here with some judges, I'll be pleasently surprised if they receive more than 10 or 15 years.

[Lithos]

33. Sad then

Is this because they do not like giving long sentences in general, or because of lack of judicial sympathy towards rape victims? I've seen the latter happen here in the US on numerous occasions.

[eyl]

34. To be honest, I'm not certain

but I get the impression* that too many judges set an excessive weight on rehabilitation of the criminal over the risk to society (note also that Israel is similiar to some European countries in that very long sentences are rare - "life" usually means around 25-30 years or so).


*Mind you, I haven't made a real study of the issue, so maybe it's just the unusually lenient sentences that get reported, but myimpression is that they're too common