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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:34 AM
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New reality, old dilemma

Out of the Rafah-Gaza quandary there emerges a disturbing reality, yet the same predicament lingers on



The borders between Egypt and Gaza are gradually but surely being resealed by Egyptian authorities and with the consent, even if reluctant, of Hamas, the de facto ruler of Gaza.

After close to nine days of unchecked inundation of close to 700,000 of the 1.5 million inhabitants of Gaza into the border city of Rafah and its immediate neighbour Arish, quiet is again in place. And within the next 48 to 72 hours, Egyptian officials predict, the whole border would have been cordoned off again.

However, what is unlikely to be in place again is the full siege that Israel has aimed -- against little if any world protest -- to squeeze Gaza through. While American and Israeli officials have been demanding that Egypt simply seals its borders and leaves Gaza to its fate, Egyptian officials say they know for fact that it has become practically impossible to retain the closed- crossing policy that Egypt adopted, in line with international rules of operation for the Rafah crossing point that demand the presence of observers and borders guards from the European Union and the Palestinian Authority -- who had left Gaza since the Hamas takeover last June.

"The Israelis and Americans can say all they want. But they know that Egypt has to act upon its interests," commented an Egyptian official who asked for anonymity. And, he explained, it is certainly not in the interest of Egypt to ignore the fact that if the Rafah crossing point was to be completely sealed off again under continued Israeli siege on Gaza another breach will occur. "It will be a matter of time before the Palestinians break into Rafah again. This is a scenario we dread so much. We would rather work to secure a prompt and internationally accepted mechanism for the operation of the Rafah crossing point," the official added.

For Egypt to secure a prompt and legal operation of the borders it would need to either secure the consent of Hamas for the re-instatement of the borders agreement suspended by the Hamas control of Gaza or alternatively to introduce a new agreement acceptable to both sides and passable by Israel and the international community. Either scenarios, however, would require a Hamas-Fatah agreement, if not full reconciliation.

"I call upon all the Palestinian people, with all their factions, to prioritise the need to end the suffering of the Palestinian people," President Hosni Mubarak said earlier this week before calling for a Hamas-Fatah reconciliation to be hosted by Cairo.

Mubarak's call for Palestinian reconciliation is not exactly new. Egypt has tried, on and off, during the past few months to mend the many cracks in the Palestinian rank -- but with no success at all.

Mubarak's call for Palestinian reconciliation this time, however, carries a new firmness. "Before, Egypt wanted to mend the Palestinian differences to secure Palestinian unity at time of Palestinian-Israeli negotiations. Now, it is much more than that. Egypt wants to make sure that Palestinian affairs and differences will be contained within the Palestinian territories and will not spill over to neighbouring Egyptian territories as we have seen during the past week," the Egyptian official commented.

Mubarak's call for Palestinian unity was met with overt and covert criticism from American and Israeli officials who make no secrete of their wish to isolate and eventually ostracise Hamas. It was, however, supported firmly by the Arab League and mildly by the Europeans.

For their part, Hamas officials were quick to make a vocal and repeated welcome of Mubarak's call for Palestinian dialogue. It was Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas who declined the Egyptian initiative, almost in a rough way.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/882/fr1.htm
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:54 AM
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1. I hope Egypt will open its borders
and that Hamas and Fatah will finally talk and reconcile their differences. Unfortunately, they haven't been able to do this point, which is not the fault of Israel or the US, but of their own sectarian differences. Their "cracks in the Palestinian ranks" have certainly made life more miserable for the Palestinian society.

There should be EU monitors on the border, but Rafah should be more open to Gaza.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:42 AM
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2. Can you explain your "sectarian differences" theory? nt
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:08 AM
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4. that Hamas and Fatah can find any common ground
seems they would rather kill each other than try to form a unity government.

We can always hope.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:04 PM
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7. seems like the US would cut all aid to Palestinians if Fatah and Hamas
formed a unity government, and pressure European governments to do so as well.

I am not saying they shouldn't do so despite that, but reality is there is outside pressure.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:37 PM
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8. I don't know Tom
I think people worldwide were encouraging a unity government, no matter how ill at ease they felt about Hamas. At that point, when they were first trying to form one, people were focusing on Hamas being "humanitarian" and helping the people, not being a terrorist group.

Hamas has proven itself to be a very bad terrorist group, but in the beginning, people internationally were more hopeful.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:49 PM
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9. Kadima has also proven itself to be a terrorist organization.
while the world was more hopeful for a more moderate turn.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:03 PM
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12. Terrorists target civilians
Kadima doesn't target civilians, no matter how many times you say so.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:28 PM
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15. No matter how many Palestinian civilians die as a result of their
actions?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:43 AM
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3. Yeah. This is why I don't think we will return to the previous situation.
I don't know what the various parties can be made to agree to now, but Egypt is not going to continue to put it's interests aside to help strangle Hamas, even though they don't care for Hamas at all.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:15 AM
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5. Egypts got a real problem....
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 11:16 AM by pelsar
it cant really close the border ....like the article says eventually the gazans will break through again, when they've had enough....on the other hand egypt has a nice quiet border with israel....some smuggling but nothing more than that. Having armed Palestenians attacking israel via its own border will lead to not just tension between israel an egypt but within Egyptian sinai as well...the tourism will go to hell and the Bedouin of the Sinai and Negev (same tribe) will not look kindly on that.

...in the end egypt will have little choice but to open their borders in a controlled fashon, break the israel blockade....and start importing food, rockets etc...
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:00 PM
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11. What is Israels current stance on Hamas Fatah cooperation? n/t
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:56 PM
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13. no news...
we just get reports.... while everybody is trying to figure out where everybody else stands and what it might mean.....no one knows what the hell to do....
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:55 PM
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14. sometimes no news is good news maybe n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:41 PM
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6. Hamas defies Egyptian efforts to reseal Gaza border
Gunmen haul away metal spikes Egyptian soldiers place at sections of Rafah crossing, defying attempts to curb influx of Gazans into Egypt

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3501630,00.html

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"Hamas gunmen on Friday hauled away metal spikes Egyptian soldiers placed at sections of the Gaza-Egypt border, defying Egyptian attempts to reseal the breached frontier and curb the influx of Gazans."

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"Early Friday, Egyptian troops poured cement and laid down metal spikes around various breaches to try to choke off the flow of vehicles through gaps in the 12-kilometer-long (7-mile-long) border. They also sent dozens of riot police to the area.

The Hamas prime minister in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, said his Islamic group would not allow the border to be resealed.

"The Palestinian people have many options," Haniyeh was quoted as telling the pro-Hamas daily Palestine in an interview published Friday. He did not elaborate.

Shortly after, Hamas gunmen dragged away metal spikes that had been placed at the main breach. Egyptian soldiers, who have been avoiding confrontation with Hamas, removed the remaining obstacles there."



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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:52 PM
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10. tearing down walls is a wonderful and constructive act.
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