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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:03 PM
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Israeli boy, brother injured by rockets
JERUSALEM - An 8-year-old boy and his older brother were seriously wounded Saturday when a rocket from Gaza slammed into the Israeli border town of Sderot, police and medics said.

The younger boy's legs were at least partially severed by the explosion, Israel's Army Radio reported. His 19-year-old brother was also badly hurt. A medic, who only gave his first name as Gil, said he heard a loud explosion and rushed toward the scene.

"I found two injured people, one boy very seriously wounded in the legs," the medic told Army Radio.

Their mother and a third brother were brought to the hospital suffering shock, medics told Channel Two TV.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080209/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_2
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:19 PM
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1. According to the Israeli Human Rights Group
"According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, between Sept. 1, 2005 and July 25, 2007, 668 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip by the Israeli security forces. Over half were noncombatants and 126 were children. During the same period, Qassam rockets and mortar shells killed eight Israelis, half of them civilians."
re: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/01/26/ending_the_stranglehold_on_gaza/

So why is it there no outrage despite the fact the UN officials and Israeli human rights groups have denounced the siege, calling it collective punishment and war crimes against humanity? :crazy:
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:45 PM
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2. It's very sad that people have been injured and killed in this conflict
Hopefully the next US President will be more engaged, knowledgeable, and committed to helping negotiate a peaceful resolution.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:55 PM
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4. Yes it is
What irks me is the fingerpointing by each side regardless of fault. When Israel is wrong they should be taken to task and when the Palestinians are then they should be. Its not a matter of trying to make it an equal thing or heap ones blame on the other. It should be each responsible for their own actions.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:37 AM
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15. Hi there. Welcome to DU...
I found the sentiment expressed in yr post interesting after reading some of yr posts in this forum...

When Israel is wrong they should be taken to task and when the Palestinians are then they should be.

I get it now. When Israel kills Palestinian civilians, the Palestinians should be taken to task, and when Palestinians kill Israelis, then the Palestinians should be taken to task. No heaping of ones blame on the other there! ;)
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:27 AM
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13. I do strongly agree with this...
also that both the Israelis and Palestinians can find good leadership, that is committed to a peaceful solution and strong enough to achieve it.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 06:47 PM
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3. This author loves selective statistics
In O7 the number of Palestinians killed by Israel dropped 43% The Palestinians killed 344 of their own including many children which almost equaled the amount attributed to the IDF . I am sure many that are blamed on Israel is their own handi work too. We also see for Israel they counted in the Civilians some of whom were not so innocent.

Hamas, IJ and all the other Jihad groups are responsible for most of the civilian deaths under international law. They hide behind civilians to fire their rockets and use civilians as human shields. When Israel is wrong and excessive it should be taken to task but at the same time it is ridiculous to blame Israel for those killed due to the terrorist using human shields unless Israel uses excessive un targeted force such as carpet bombing a city block. Shooting a guided missile to a terrorist target actively attacking is not excessive force even when civilians are killed.



Study: Number of Palestinians killed by IDF dropped 43% in '07

The number of Palestinians killed by the Israel Defense Forces in 2007 decreased by 43 percent since last year, to 373, but the total number of Palestinians killed this year reached a record high because of the 344 Palestinians killed in the internecine conflict, the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said in its year-end report.

The report also found a significant drop in the proportion of civilians killed, which decreased from 54 percent of the 657 Palestinians killed by IDF fire in 2006 to 35 percent of the 373 Palestinians killed between January 1 and December 29 of this year.


fifty-three of the Palestinians were minors(including those participating in hostilities) and the vast majority(civilians and non civilians) - 270 - were killed in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/940067.html


Report counts drop in Israeli and Palestinian fatalities in 2007

JERUSALEM -- The number of people killed in Israeli-Palestinian violence dropped dramatically in 2007, according to a report from an Israeli human rights group released Monday.

Israeli forces killed 373 Palestinians during 2007, a 45 percent drop from the previous year, said the report from the group, B'Tselem. Palestinians killed 13 Israelis in the same period, the lowest number of Israeli fatalities since the renewed outbreak of Israeli-Palestinian fighting seven years ago, the report said.



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Of the Palestinians killed this year, 131 were not engaged in fighting at the time of their death, according to the report. That number includes bystanders, militants killed during arrest raids, Palestinians killed trying to infiltrate Israel from Gaza, and armed members of Palestinian security forces who were not actively involved in hostilities when they were killed.(we see that even of the so called civilians many were not really civilians)

Most of the Palestinian dead were killed in Israeli military operations in the Gaza Strip, controlled by the Islamic group Hamas, where troops regularly clash with militants firing rockets into Israel. A minority were killed in the West Bank, where a moderate government led by Abbas has begun negotiating a peace agreement with Israel.

While Israeli-Palestinian violence subsided somewhat, internal Palestinian fighting this year took its highest toll ever, the report said. At least 344 Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians in 2007, nearly all of them in Gaza during the first half of the year.



http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/12/31/news/nation/17_49_0912_30_07.txt



The number of Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian clashes was the highest throughout the Intifada.
In intra-Palestinian fighting, at least 344 persons were killed, almost all in the Gaza Strip in the first six months of the year. At least 73 of the dead, among them 22 minors, were not taking part in the fighting.



A comparison between 2007 and 2006 reveals a decrease in Palestinians killed by Israeli forces, and a decrease in those cases that raise the suspicion of arbitrary killing. However, the figures for 2007 still give cause for concern.

In 2007 (up to 29 December), Israeli security forces killed 373 Palestinians (290 in Gaza , 83 in the West Bank ), 53 among them minors. By comparison, in 2006, 657 Palestinians were killed, including 140 minors: 523 in Gaza , 134 in the West Bank . In 2007, about 35 percent of those killed were civilians who were not taking part in the hostilities when killed. This is a reduction in comparison with the number of casualties who did not participate in the hostilities in 2006, which was 54 percent, (348 persons).



Palestinians killed seven Israeli civilians (three in a suicide attack in Eilat, two in Sderot by Qassam attacks, and two by gunfire in the West Bank ). This is the lowest number of Israeli civilian casualties since the beginning of the Intifada. Palestinians also killed six Israeli security forces. In 2006, Palestinians killed 17 Israeli civilians.

http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp


The Palestinian organizations responsible for the rocket fire state openly that one of their aims is to strike, inter alia, Israeli civilians. Deliberate attacks on civilians are both immoral and illegal. The willful killing of civilians is classified as a grave breach in the Fourth Geneva Convention and as a war crime, and is unjustifiable under any circumstances. Furthermore, Qassam rockets are themselves illegal, even when aimed at military objects, because the rockets are so imprecise, and thus endanger civilians situated in the area in which the rockets are fired or where they land, in violation of the principles of distinction and proportionality, which are fundamental pillars of the laws of war.

Many of the rockets are fired from, or near, areas in which civilians live. International humanitarian law (IHL) prohibits attacks from inside or near the homes of civilians, and from using civilians as human shields. IHL's objective is to reduce to a minimum injury to civilians during an anticipated military response by the other side. The Palestinian organizations that carry out the attacks against Israel from within or near a populated area breach this rule; in doing so, the organizations show their indifference to the loss of both Israeli and Palestinian lives.

The Palestinian Authority must do everything it can to cease the Qassam rocket fire, and the Palestinian organizations must cease attacks aimed at civilians, in particular when they are carried out from populated Palestinian areas. By failing to take any action to stop the rocket fire from residential communities, the Palestinian Authority breaches its duty to protect the residents of those areas who are not taking part in the hostilities.

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Israel has the right, and even the obligation, to protect its citizens from the attacks. However, in doing so, it must comply with IHL. The laws of war require the sides to direct their attacks only against specific military objects, to take cautionary measures to prevent injury to civilians, and to refrain from acts that are likely to cause incidental loss of civilian lives, when the loss is excessive in relation to the military advantage anticipated.


http://www.btselem.org/english/Israeli_Civilians/Qassam_missiles.asp

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:21 PM
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:29 PM
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7. Try and stop using propagada outlets,
You have got to be kidding me trying to pass IAK as anything but a ridiculously anti Israel propaganda outlet. They have called for Israel to be replaced by a Palestinian state as well as been caught continualy releasing misrepresentations, distortions and outright lies to pass off as fact. I have read they have Saudi ties as well as funding connections thru some of their people such as Andrew Kilgore who is a paid Saudi shill. Btselem, Haaretz could never be mistaken for pro Israel mouthpieces and are in fact guilty of much bias against Israel but at least they are somewhat factual most of the time but compared to IAK they are godlike in accuracy. Trying to push IAK to refute them is a joke and makes you lose any credibility.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:28 AM
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14. B'Tselem is biased against Israel?
How so? Because it dares to criticise both Israel and the Palestinians for human rights abuses?
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:13 PM
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6. Nothing in your numbers detracts from those of the OP. If your goal was to deflect from that
it didn't work.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 09:31 PM
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8. It was to post 1 not the OP
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:31 PM
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11.  delete
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 10:32 PM by breakaleg
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:10 PM
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9. It actually seemed like post 1 was meant to detract from the OP
No one seems to have any comment about the eight year old Israeli boy who is undergoing surgery on his legs because of the rocket attack.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 10:26 PM
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10. Thank you
Hopefully the surgery (reattachment?) will be successful, hope and sympathy to him and his family this should notb happen to anyone let alone a child.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:47 AM
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17. I don't know what you want me to say....
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 05:50 AM by Violet_Crumble
I don't think that kid's any more or any less important than Palestinian kids who have been injured or killed. Thankfully, unlike in threads about Palestinian kids, no-one's trying to justify why it's acceptable that they were hurt or killed, or even in some extreme cases blaming them for it...
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:15 AM
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18. If he was carrying a bomb to blow up Palestinians it would be justified
If the IDF was firing their rockets to hit Palestinian civilians with the boy next to them it would be justified for the Palestinian security to target the soldier even though the boy might be killed. The death would be the IDFs fault not the Palestinians. Any thing else is a double standard
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:20 AM
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19. Seeing as those comments appear in nearly every thread about Palestinian kids...
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 06:22 AM by Violet_Crumble
...I hope yr not trying to make out that all those injuries and killings are justified coz those kids are bomb carrying kids?

on edit: I might try applying the things I saw you saying about *collective responsibility* when it comes to Palestinians and apply that to the Israeli population :)
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:49 AM
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21. I am not sure what you are talking about
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:54 AM
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22. I'm talking about yr reply to my comment...
Thankfully, unlike in threads about Palestinian kids, no-one's trying to justify why it's acceptable that they were hurt or killed, or even in some extreme cases blaming them for it...
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 05:44 AM
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16. Israel processes Palestinian children through...
...their military courts and imprisons them like adults:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMb1Ye3qpWE
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 03:25 AM
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12. Horrible...
I do hope that the poor boy will be OK and that they can save his legs.
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henank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:38 AM
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20. Sadly they couldn't
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 08:47 AM
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23. Leg of boy injured by Qassam amputated
Doctors at the Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon were forced Sunday to amputate part of the left leg of eight-year-old Osher Tuito, who was seriously injured in a rocket attack on the southern town of Sderot on Saturday evening.

The boy's right leg was also seriously hurt. He was anaesthetized and his situation was reportedly stable.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3504771,00.html
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