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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:32 AM
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Olmert: Certain Iran secretly building nuclear arms
Source: Reuters

Olmert: Certain Iran secretly building nuclear arms
Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:44am EST

By Jeffrey Heller

BERLIN (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert
said on Tuesday he was convinced that Iran was leading a
secret operation to build nuclear weapons and urged a
greater international effort to prevent Tehran from
succeeding.

"We are certain that the Iranians are engaged in a serious
... clandestine operation to build up a non-conventional
capacity," Olmert said at a joint news conference with
German Chancellor Angela Merkel after a meeting.

Olmert said he was sharing information with other countries
about Iran's nuclear program, and that no options should be
forgotten in trying to prevent Iran from developing atomic
weapons.

"As (U.S.) President (George W.) Bush once said: no option
is ruled out," he said.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBAT00207520080212
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:35 AM
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1. "secretly building nuclear arms"
Pot, meet kettle. Of course NONE of the countries accusing Iran of this are doing the same dastardly deeds.:sarcasm:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 09:38 AM
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2. But, if he was even half of one percent certain that Iran was doing this
his policies would look exactly the same.

Over here we'd just say he has Cheney-vision.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:02 AM
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3. US Israeli tagteam propaganda machine - gotta get that next war rolling.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 10:02 AM by Donnachaidh
And we wonder why Bush went to Israel. :sarcasm:
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:03 AM
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4. Because , of course
Israel runs American foreign policy, and all wars are fought because of Israel.

:sarcasm:
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-12-08 10:49 AM
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5. Olmert is a sick and twisted liar.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 09:56 AM
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7. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a sick and twisted liar.
Agreed?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:45 AM
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9. LOL. I think you guys are starting to get it.
:-)
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:19 PM
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21. yep, political leaders act like political leaders, after all.
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henank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 01:15 AM
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6. Report: Iran puts uranium gas in centrifuges
I don't understand why some posters here are so absolutely convinced that Iran would never dream of building nuclear weapons. Why, the NIE said so! :sarcasm:

So what if it contradicts what Ahmadinejad said himself? Not to mention this latest report from Vienna based diplomats connected to the IAEA (not "biased" Israelis or "partisan" Americans" but neutral observers).

here

Diplomats say new generation of advanced centrifuges begin processing small quantities of gas that can be used to make fissile core of nuclear warheads

Iran's new generation of advanced centrifuges have begun processing small quantities of the gas that can be used to make the fissile core of nuclear warheads, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

The diplomats emphasized that the centrifuges were working with only minute amounts of the uranium gas used as the feed stock for Iran's uranium enrichment program. And one of them said Tehran had set up only 10 of the machines - far too few to produce enriched uranium in the quantities needed for an industrial scale energy or a weapons program.

Still, the information revealed previously unknown details of the state of the Islamic Republic's experiments with its domestically developed IR-2 centrifuges, which can churn out enriched uranium at more than double the rate of the machines that now form the backbone of its nuclear project.

The existence of the IR-2 was made known only last week by diplomats accredited to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency probing Iran's nuclear program for suspicions it may have been designed to make weapons.

But diplomats back then told the AP that the machines appeared to be running empty and could not quantify the number of the centrifuges had been set up at the experimental facility linked to Iran's growing enrichment underground enrichment plant at Natanz.

Fleshing out previous information, one of the diplomats said Wednesday that the centrifuges were set up Jan. 20 and began processing minute amounts of the uranium gas soon afterward as part of testing the machines. He and others accredited to the IAEA demanded anonymity because their information was confidential


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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:34 AM
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8. Yea, sure they dream of it.......
.....and, actually, they would be stupid not to try and aquire them. Exactly how is this different from the US building them? Israel possessing them (which they do)? Pakistan, India, North Korea, Russia and whoever else possessing and/or building them? Because Iran would be much more likely to use them? This is based on what? Let's not forget that the US has been the only Country, ever, to use a nuclear weapon against another Nation. So, what's with all the paranoia? Because Israel has a problem with it? Too bad - israel has nuclear weapons - so, who died and left them in charge to decide who can and who can't have them?
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henank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:05 AM
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10. It's not a question of "who died and left them in charge"
It's more a question of "we don't want to die and therefore we're putting ourselves in charge". You can't really blame the Israelis can you? After all they're the ones right in the range of Iran's rockets, not Americans sitting cosily 10,000+ miles away with 2 oceans between them. The Europeans are starting to get nervous too, and with good reason, since they're also within Iranian missile range. And remember, the Iranians have threatened both Israel and Europe, not to mention America.

But the point of my comment no. 6 was to argue that some posters seem to think that the thought of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons is highly amusing, either because of the implausability of such an idea (which I disproved with my link) or because it amuses them that innocent people will be incinerated.
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Sit-rep Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM
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11. Shihab IV
Iranian Shihab IV missile systems can target EU targets.

Consider that.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 AM
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12. did you ever consider
that perhaps those residing in Middle Eastern countries feel just as threatened, just as scared of the US and Israel?
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Sit-rep Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:48 AM
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13. Did you ever consider
In a word NO. Consider this: Gulf States have reportedly given IAF, USAF and NATO strike aircraft overflight permissions for a possible strike against Iran.

In the eighties millions of people died in the Iran Iraq war.

Did you consider that Iran exports terror and extremist Islam to other Arab states to de-stablize them?

The fact is: Arab states generally and Gulf States specifically fear Iran far more than Israel and ther western world.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:54 AM
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15. Who orchestrated the Iran/Iraq War?
Who supported Saddam Hussein with weapons against Iran? Ah, right, it was the US - imagine that.

Iran exporting terror - do you have any proof of that? And by the way - what is Saudi Arabia doing?

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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:51 AM
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14. Exactly......
Iraq being an example of what happens when the US feels a little hostile towards ya.....and you have no way to defend yourself. Israel has not exactly been conducting themselves in a peaceful manner (no, it's not all self defense - actually nine out of ten times Israel is the agressor in one form or another) - so one could understand why the rest of the Middle East seems a little 'naked' and vulnerable without the weapons that everyone else seems to have.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:13 PM
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16. Lebanon
would be a prime example of what happens when Israel unleashes its wrath, with the day-to-day deadly operations in occupied Palestine being obvious examples as well.

All I know is, if I was in one of those countries, it wouldn't be Iran I'm worried about, at least not nearly as much as the U.S. and Israel.
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Sit-rep Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:19 PM
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18. Hmmmm
Really than you would be wrong and woefully uninformed. In the last ten years Hezbollah and other Syrian and Iranian elements are responsible for more more Lebanese deaths than Israel.
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Sit-rep Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:40 PM
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20. The "Threat"
It seems this article and the history of the last several illustrates the treat to Lebanon and it's people is NOT Israel but Iran and Syria.
Lebanon's government by murder
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An assassination campaign is targeting the pro-Western parliamentary majority.
By David Schenker
October 17, 2007
Forty Lebanese members of parliament belonging to the pro-Western, anti-Syria March 14th majority bloc currently reside in Tower 3 at Beirut's Phoenicia Intercontinental Hotel. With plush couches, stereos and flat-screen TVs, the two-bedroom units at the Phoenicia are swank. But the lawmakers aren't guests; they're prisoners.

To get into the Phoenicia, you have to traverse no fewer than three security checkpoints, pass through a metal detector and show ID. Armed escorts from Lebanon's Internal Security Forces accompany guests to their rooms. Inside, curtains are permanently drawn to discourage snipers from targeting the MPs. One confined parliament member described the setup as "Abu Ghraib."

As the isolation of these legislators suggests, the March 14th bloc is taking its security seriously, and with good reason. Since 2005, four members of parliament affiliated with this bloc have been assassinated in Beirut. These killings, the death by natural causes of one MP and the political defection of yet another have sorely depleted the ranks of the majority. A government that once had 72 out of 128 legislators now rules by a razor-thin margin of 68 of 127 seats.

The Bashar Assad regime in Syria is widely assumed to be behind the campaign of assassination. Its goal is to weaken, supplant or intimidate the democratically elected government in Beirut and thus end the international tribunal that will almost certainly implicate Damascus in the 2005 murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

Presidential elections -- which began on Sept. 25 and run through Nov. 25 -- have only increased the threat to the majority. The president in Lebanon is elected by parliament, and the majority has made clear that although it would prefer to choose by consensus, it will elect the chief executive by a simple majority if no acceptable compromise candidate can be found.

The Hezbollah-led, Syrian-backed opposition says it will not recognize a non-consensus president. For its part, Damascus has stipulated that the next Lebanese president should be moqawam, i.e., a supporter of Hezbollah, and "of Arab belonging," i.e., pro-Syrian. Should the Syrians and the opposition succeed in either toppling the government by attrition or installing a crony like outgoing President Emile Lahoud, the tribunal could be delayed if not derailed.

The tribunal, convened at the behest of the U.N. Security Council, appears to be a train that has left the station. But election of a "compromise" president -- someone more sympathetic to Damascus -- could weaken Beirut's commitment to and undermine international support for the tribunal. Syria could also scuttle the tribunal by ending March 14th's control of the government.

The good news, if there is any, is that in the short run it will be difficult for the Syrians to kill enough March 14th MPs to change the majority before the end of presidential elections. This is because, unlike what occurred following previous assassinations, Lebanon will not hold new elections to fill vacant seats before Nov. 25. The simple, macabre math means that the Syrians would have to kill eight more parliamentarians -- leaving March 14th, with 60 of 119 seats, short of a half-plus-one majority -- in order to force new elections.

Of course, given Syrian persistence, the math is not reassuring. For Damascus, the numbers game likely makes the Phoenicia a more appealing target. And even if the majority survives the presidential elections intact, there is no indication that the campaign of assassinations will stop.

Clearly, Lebanon cannot protect itself. Likewise, to date, the U.N. resolutions censuring Syria for its role in Lebanon have not proved an effective deterrent to Syrian misdeeds. Given the stakes -- a revitalized Syrian and Iranian presence in Lebanon and the potential reorientation of Beirut away from the West -- the preservation of the current Lebanese government is a must.

For Washington, the key will be to craft a policy to prevent Syria and its Lebanese allies from subverting the government in Beirut. One possibility is to deploy, at Lebanon's request, international forces -- under the auspices of already-in-force U.N. Security Council resolutions -- to protect targeted politicians. A more effective but politically difficult option would be to hold Syria accountable for all future political murders in Lebanon.

Regardless of how Washington proceeds, immediate action is required. The ongoing thinning of the majority raises the very real specter that the results of the 2005 parliamentary elections in Lebanon will be reversed by terrorism. Should this trend of assassinations continue unchallenged, the pro-Syrian opposition, led by the Iranian-sponsored Shiite terrorist organization Hezbollah, waits in the wings.

David Schenker is a senior fellow in Arab politics at the Washington Institute. From 2002 to 2006, he served in the office of the secretary of Defense as country director for Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and the Palestinian territories.
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Sit-rep Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:17 PM
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17. You need to focus
Your comments amount to nothing more than uninformed ranting.(Post Shah) Iraq has always been the counter-weight to Iran in the region. Iran has always threatenbed the Gulf States from the mining of the Straits of Hormuz to exporting terror to Lebanon.

Stop ranting a moment and consider this. Recently Eygptian Foreign Minister told western media outlets that due to Iran persuing nuclear weapons so may Egypt. The Saudi Government has publically denounced the "Iranian arms race".

Iranian Shihab VI systems have EU capitals in range and Iran is a rogue nation.

Iran poses more a threat to the peace and security of the world today than Nazi Germany in the years 1936 to 1939....and the Arab Gulf States know it.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 12:29 PM
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19. "Iran more a threat than Nazi Germany"
Thank you for sharing your amazing insights.
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