70-year-old woman wounded as rocket attacks continue

[oberliner]

A 70-year-old woman was lightly wounded and 14 people were sent into shock as Kassam rockets continued to hit Sderot on Thursday afternoon.

The woman was evacuated to Ashkelon's Barzilai Hospital and the shock victims were teated at the Sderot Trauma Center after two rockets landed in the center of the western Negev town.

A factory and several cars were damaged in the latest rocket attack, which came as Education Minister Yuli Tamir was visiting the town.

Moments later, a house in Ashkelon suffered a direct hit as four Grad-model Katyusha rockets hit the city. Several people suffered shock.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204127198554&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[subsuelo]

1. Let's use the same logic applied to Hamas, to this situation.

If Israel didn't kill Palestinians, take Palestinian land and bomb neighborhoods then Hamas would not have to defend itself in this manner.

Everyone accept a response like that to this killing?

[pelsar]

3. so killing civilians is defense in your eyes....

at least we understand where you stand.....afterall hamas is looking for the kids during school hours..and other civilians to target......

how does that work as a "defense"......

[subsuelo]

4. No. That's why I asked the question.

[Shaktimaan]

7. Then why has Hamas responded to

Israel lifting oppressive measures and giving Palestinians autonomy over areas with increased terrorism?

Remember that Hamas' response to the signing (not the results) of Oslo was to drastically increase terrorism. The Oslo period saw more terrorism in a few years than the previous 15-20 years combined. Qassams increased drastically once Israel left Gaza, began a cease-fire and closed down a few WB settlements.

Even Hamas in their official statements disagree with you. Why should we believe you over them?

[azurnoir]

25. Closed down a few WB settlements

and opened many more in greener pastures, why is it that part is always left out.

And lifting oppression? LOL Can you fly in and out of Gaza City? Can Palestinian fisherman fish the coastal waters outside of barriers, can Palestinians develop their NG resources? The Palestinians are simply oppressed from a greater and safer distance

[Shaktimaan]

34. read what I wrote

Hamas began attacks because of the signing of oslo, not because of the results. It was the threat of peace that instigated terrorism from Hamas. But this is just what they said themselves... it's hardly new news.

To recap: It was the peace treaty that caused Hamas to ramp up attacks, not subsequent Israeli actions. The action that sparked the violence was Israel signing the Oslo accords. Terrorism began immediately in response to the threat of a permanent peace that included recognizing Israel and dropping any claim of Palestinian sovereignty over Israel proper.

[DogPoundPup]

2. "Several people suffered shock. "

OMG! :sarcasm:

Those of you who cannot comprehend that people under occupation have a legitimate right to fight their oppressor will dismiss them as terrorists.

But what about Minwar Abu Mandeel, 27, who was killed by an Israeli missile while working as a guard at a local farm? He wasn’t fighting, yet Israel felt compelled to launch several million dollars worth of death at him.

Or what about 2 boys, aged 13 and 15,who were killed while playing in an orange grove next to a relative’s house? I’m not sure how anyone can justify launching an airstrike at two boys. They were killed deep inside the Gaza Strip, far away from any borders.

Or what about...Or how about...Or why...? The list is never-ending day after day after day.

And I'm not EVEN mentioning here the misery of the Palestinians from Israel's blockade of essential supplies...food, medicine, and now chlorine for Gaza's water system.

Get REAL with who the real 'wounded' are. I feel bad for this woman and the others, but I just can't get all stressed about it...I'm too stressed putting myself in the Palestinians position and how I would cope with being imprisoned in my own home under these horrid conditions they are living in. Same goes for Iraqmire and what criminal actions have been done there, post Saddam.

[breakaleg]

5. Welcome to DU where up is down and down is up. nt

[DogPoundPup]

10. thank you~

"Welcome to DU where up is down and down is up."

Another day in the life of bushworld eh?

[Shaktimaan]

6. So then why did Hamas

increase terrorism in response to peace efforts made by Israel? According to them, they did so specifically to derail the Oslo Accords in the 90's. While Israel was busy evacuating areas of the OPT, Hamas was increasing terrorism because they did not agree with the idea of giving Israel any land permanently whatsoever, on either side of the green line.

Terrorism increases in response to peace efforts and decreases after Israel clamps down. But in your view Hamas has a legitimate right to kill the civilians of a nation that was attempting to end the conflict unless the terms were 100% to their liking? Terrorism as a negotiating tool... I guess you place little stock in the Geneva Accord, something that many supporters of Hamas seem to hold in common. Although most of them keep their views that Hamas has a legitimate right to kill civilians to themselves. I appreciate your honesty at least.

people under occupation have a legitimate right to fight their oppressor will dismiss them as terrorists.

It's not terrorism as long as it is inflicted on Israeli civilians, right?

[Vegasaurus]

8. No. Israel is the only country in the world that is expected to take rockets

falling on their cities, thousands a month, and do nothing about it.

Terrorism on Israeli citizens is not terrorism...it is "resistance".

Gross.

[subsuelo]

11. Again, let's apply the same logic but for the case of Palestinians

The argument would go like this:

Palestinians are the only people in the world expected to take bombs in their neighborhoods, continued theft of their land, extrajudicial assassinations, collective punishment, and daily violence in some form or another at the hands of an occupying army -- and do nothing about it.

Terrorism on Palestinian citizens is not terrorism... it is "defense".

That argument work for you?

[Shaktimaan]

12. Not really

Because whenever Israel does anything to ease Palestinian suffering, Hamas uses it as an opportunity to ramp up attacks against Israel. Their attacks are not "defense" but terrorism against innocent civilians.

Israel on the other hand does whatever it is able to in order to reduce civilian casualties as much as possible, even at the expense of increased troop casualties. Collateral damage is not terrorism. There is Jewish terrorism, primarily from settlers, but that's not what you're discussing here.

Now, Gaza is not occupied by any army.
Recently, more daily violence has come from the Palestinians themselves than from Israel.
Israel has recently given Palestinians autonomy over more land. There is no "continued theft." There is increased autonomy... which has always brought increased terrorism as a result.
There were no bombs or "collective punishment" before it became necessary to reduce Palestinian terrorism. If you have any ideas as to how Israel can effectively protect itself without resorting to these measures, then I'm sure they would love to hear about them. Any ideas?

[subsuelo]

14. you miss the point

If the argument I gave does not work for you, then the argument in the post I replied to must therefore also not work for you, unless you admit to holding Palestinians and Israelis to different standards.

The overall point I wish to arrive at, is to show how we must hold the same standards to both sides. Not make excuses for one, but condemn the other. It goes both ways, and for proponents of both sides.

[Shaktimaan]

15. nope.

same standards.

[subsuelo]

16. Oh ok - then...

Then Palestinians are expected to take being killed and have land stolen from them, and do nothing about it, is an argument you would make. (going by the logic of the post I had replied to)

[Vegasaurus]

20. If Palestinians would stop terrorizing Israelis

their lives would improve.

It's pretty simple. A + B = C.

Now, regarding the land theft, I agree that it is wrong. I am opposed to it.

However, I don't think terrorism is working in stopping that situation either.

I don't think incursions are stopping rockets, and I don't think terrorism is doing anything but making the life of the average Palestinian much much more miserable.

The Israelis lives are not miserable, by and large. The Palestinians' lives are. They have more to lose, and as such have more to give up. That's how it works in asymmetrical conflict when you hold none of the cards.

[subsuelo]

28. Israelis need to stop terrorizing Palestinians too

It goes both ways.

[azurnoir]

31. You spell it out so well

and yet just don't get it. You see the ones with more to lose are the Israeli's who have left the Palestinians with basically nothing to lose any more except perhaps their lives and some of them are willing to lose that too, which is why the more Israel takes the more danger it puts its citizens in, that is how it works.

[Shaktimaan]

33. No, the Palestinians have far more to lose.

Israelis already have a state, an economy and a reasonably high quality of life. There's very little the Palestinians can do to change those facts.

Meanwhile, they do not yet have a state nor do they have set parameters for a future state. Over the past 75 years the Palestinians have consistently made choices that have hurt their future prospects, now is no different. What they have to lose is their future. Do they want a prosperous state alongside Israel? Or do they want their current situation to persist?

The thing is that their tactics and weaponry are always improving. Right now Israel's measures to limit the damage they can do are reasonably effective. But the Palestinian's situation can deteriorate greatly should they develop the means to attack Israel effectively, say with better rockets. Should Israel's "passive oppression" become ineffective then they will turn to more proactive means, which are sure to spell far more misery for the Palestinians than they are now experiencing.

It's not like Israel lacks the means to stop the qassams. It's just that the cost would be too high in terms of civilian casualties. But should Israel face a situation where they have no choice but to stop the rockets, if they must choose between their own civilians or Palestine's, you can bet that they'll do whatever is necessary to stop the attacks.

[Vegasaurus]

35. No, you are wrong here

The Israelis have prosperous lives, a good economy. Yes, there is a constant threat of terrorism, but for the most part, those that live in Israel live good, productive and happy lives.

They certainly do not have more to lose than the Palestinians, who have nothing but misery for company.

The Palestinians could have prosperous lives too, but they choose terror instead. Bad choices have bad repercussions.

[DogPoundPup]

44. Maybe...the "Settlers" should just move a little

further from the border and stop settling on Palestinian land. That'd be a good place to start.

[azurnoir]

48. You say it but.................

So I will take a dangerous route here during WW2 why was that so many went to the slaughter without a putting up a fight? At what point did they start to fight back?*

No I am not implying Israel is committing genocide this is an example of what happens when people realize there is nothing and have as you point out "only misery for company".

You talk about the "loss" of a future Palestinian state but as the saying goes "you can't lose what you never had"

Now if what you really mean is that Israel can and will inflict far, far more damage and death on Palestinians than the reverse, that is a given, that has been happening what has it changed-nothing.

[Name removed]

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[DogPoundPup]

56. "you can't lose what you never had"

I haven't EVEN BEGUN talking about a future Palestinian state! Why do you feel the need to 'frame' my post under some bizzare concept you are itching to get at?

[azurnoir]

68. umm

I was responding to #35

edited to delete sir, sorry did not look at profile first

[azurnoir]

26. Show me once where that has been said

Israel must take rockets and do nothing? Do something different that has been said, or are you saying Israel doesn't know how to do anything but violence?

[pelsar]

32. this is the "fun part"..

lets see now if i recall:

israel must disband settlements:.......Done
israel must leave gaza......................Done
Israel must do something dramatic......Done (leave settlements)

israel must stop the cycle of violence.....tried...see gaza jan 2007


_____

no change from the Palestinian side...kassams continued and attacks on israelis near gaza continued.. including the liaison office and the border controls where food and supplies were brought in....

so what was your suggestion again?

[azurnoir]

36. Yeah this is the "fun" part

Once again Israel disbanded Gaza and a few southern WB settlements only to replace the them with a larger and still growing number of settlements in central and northern WB

Yup dramatic

Israel "left" Gaza

Left it with no airspace, barricaded waterways, and unable to develop its own resources

sounds dramatic to me

none of which addresses the fact that no one on this thread has ever said Israel "must" take the rockets, which was the original point

[pelsar]

37. the original point..

is that no one here really has an answer to what israel should do...other than leave the territories, and hope for the best.....

the previous list was what israel has done....and since the Palestinian response is more kassams.... obviously its simply not enough...its not enough enough even for the Palestinians to try something different in return.

what will be enough?.. probably the dismantling of israel....
___________

what was that suggestion of yours again...i didnt see it

[ProgressiveMuslim]

38. Israel overturns election results with blockade...done

Israel creates economy smashing siege...done
Israel maintains complete control over Gaza without presence of settlers... done.

What has really changed again?

[pelsar]

49. more of the same...

but there was a real attempt at change by israel, something dramatic was done..... whether it was enough, or whether anything beyond the dismantling of israel will be enough is up for argument (it appears to be the latter)......the gazans/hamas/IJ simply didnt take the israeli withdrawl and do something positive about it......they had options and chose the worst one.

and now there are those damn lame rockets landing on Ashkelon....I'm afraid its going to get worse for the gazans as the rockets continue to launch. Hamas may rule, but their beliefs sure put attacking israel over the welfare of their own.

i think hamas should be on time magazines cover as the most stupid bunch of idiots ever ruling a modern society....and yes they have even surpassed israeli politicians.

[Vegasaurus]

50. Complete agreement about the stupidest idiots ever

What ruling body puts murdering others above the welfare of their own citizens?

It's lunacy.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

51. Bullshit. That was no attempt to create real change.

Bull fucking shit.

[pelsar]

54. leaving gaza....

uprooting settlements.....that was big change of the status quo.......

if that counts for nothing in your book......then i would say your being a touch bit "ethnocentric"....for us that was a huge change of the status quo

[DogPoundPup]

46. All this is farce...

israel must disband settlements:.......Done
israel must leave gaza......................Done
Israel must do something dramatic......Done (leave settlements)

You know damned well illegal settlements are popping up all over the Palestinians land and if you want proof I can go to Haaretz and give you proof! But I don't intend to waste my time educating you! Help yourself! Then maybe you won't look so mean and nasty.

[DogPoundPup]

9. The Israeli govt, negotiates?

COME ON! WHEN? Before or after they fired on the Liberty?

Remember, you started it with the past history news stuff.

I am not a 'supporter' of Hamas as you say...I believe in the kindness of humanity. To say I am a Hamas supporter is a lie.

[Shaktimaan]

13. Ah, the liberty.

I see now. You're a conspiracy nut.

To say I am a Hamas supporter is a lie.

Hey, you're the one who called them legitimate fighters who weren't committing terrorism. I mean, it caaraaaazy for any of us to suggest that the people who blow up buses and pizzerias full of civilians are terrorists... that's just hateful propaganda, right? I mean, why shouldn't they have the right to disregard every peace treaty NEGOTIATED with the Israeli government, and signed by everyone, right?

We all know how crappy that worked out for Egypt and Jordan right? When they NEGOTIATED their own peace treaties with Israel.

Hamas doesn't NEGOTIATE anyway. They just make demands. If they disagree with you then they'll try and kill you. Israeli, Palestinian, it doesn't matter. It's crazy to call them terrorists merely for slaughtering other Palestinians for political reasons.

:sarcasm:

Remember, you started it with the past history news stuff.

Yes, but mine was relevant.

[DogPoundPup]

19. Shaktimaan...where did you find this...

in my post? " you're the one who called them legitimate fighters who weren't committing terrorism."

Defenders of the Israeli govts blanket oppression, starvation, and genocide of their "neighbor(((s))))" are so blinded with 'hateful propaganda', they can't see straight enough to read the posted comments without putting their mean and irrelevant words into someone else's post.

[Shaktimaan]

21. in your post

'Those of you who cannot comprehend that people under occupation have a legitimate right to fight their oppressor will dismiss them as terrorists.'

Let's see... legitimate fighters... not terrorists... perhaps you meant something other than that they were "legitimate fighters" that only uncomprehending folk would "dismiss as terrorists."

And now the Israelis are committing "genocide" and "starvation." And I'm the one blinded by hateful propaganda? Ha.

[Name removed]

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[sabbat hunter]

42. legitimate right

to fight oppressor means attacking military targets, not civilian.

Unless you are saying civilian targets are legitimate.

[DogPoundPup]

45. I'm saying Israeli govt. thinks civilians are OK targets

Are you dislexic?

[sabbat hunter]

53. i am not

dislexic, nor am I dyslexic.

The Israeli government does NOT target civilians purposefully. Hamas does.

See the difference?

Yes some Palestinian civilians do get tragically killed, but they were not the targets of the attacks.

When the Qaasam rockets come out of Gaza their targets ARE civilians only.

Got it? good.

[DogPoundPup]

55. OH! And when the highly sophisticated

,technically advanced weaponry that can be set for pinpoint accuracy of Israel rains all over Gaza ... well you see where I'm going with this don't ya'? You aren't so analytically smart afterall are ya'?

[sabbat hunter]

57. Actually if you look

When civilians are killed in gaza by missile strikes from Israel, they are ones that were near or in the intended target(s).


Additionally when your enemy cowardly hides among the civilian population, civilians unfortunately get killed when you are targeted.


Once again do you see the difference between how hamas targets civilians and Israel doesn't?

[Name removed]

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[DogPoundPup]

61. Oh man, this a wing-dinger

"Additionally when your enemy cowardly hides among the civilian population, civilians unfortunately get killed when you are targeted."

Now come on...that's the ol' Invasion of Lebanon rhetoric...to be valid, you must keep your rhetoric differentiated between the two else we don't know for sure which enemy neighbor you are referring to...Gaza is where Israel has millions imprisoned on a tiny little stip of land, remember?

So, the best solution would be; let's just give each side equal weaponry and let them duke it out fair and square...OK?..thought you would agree. Thanks~

[oberliner]

62. Millions?

What is the source of your population statistics for Gaza?

[DogPoundPup]

65. Stats...

Give me yours since you're not addressing the main point I posted.

[sabbat hunter]

63. are you unable

to give a simple yes or no?

[DogPoundPup]

66. Sure I'll do that...

yes or no. Happy now? Whattttteverrrrr!

[sabbat hunter]

69. Do you think it is ok

for Hamas, Islamic Jihad and fatah to delibretely target civilians via rocket attacks and suicide bombs.

this time you can answer

"no I do not think it is ok for those groups to deliberately target civilians"

or you can answer

"Yes I think it is legitimate for those groups to attack civilians deliberately"


please pick one or the other without snide comments or taking it off the track.

[DogPoundPup]

70. Why should I oblige you?

You know my position on the senseless killings of innocents(PERIOD!) And you know my position on property theft, food, medicine and NOW... clean, safe water... deprivation. Since only my posts have been deleted on this meg. board and I have been friendly and reasonable but still censored, I have no reason to be friendly and kindly in discussing anymore of this with you or anyone else here.

[Vegasaurus]

71. Don't you know?

Islamic Jihad and Hamas are just "freedom fighters" who can legitimately resist their occupiers. That's what I read around these parts. I don't even see much condemnation of the rocket attacks. They have been called an "annoyance" and pesky, as opposed to daily, ongoing terrorism, which is what they really are.

So, I can be sure that the answer to this question is that yes, it is really alright, because those "freedom fighters" are just resisting the occupation, which is ok by the Geneva Convention, or some such BS.

[Shaktimaan]

64. Actually,

that's Gaza as well.

"Additionally when your enemy cowardly hides among the civilian population, civilians unfortunately get killed when you are targeted."

They do it proudly, you know? Using human shields. It's not exactly rhetoric, nor is it in dispute.

[DogPoundPup]

67. Maan, You're Back!

Your tag-team partners were standing in for you, huh?

[DogPoundPup]

24. It isn't the liberty, It was the Liberty

Your disrespect is so obvious. I felt the need to point it out to you. They were real people who died in that attack ya' know?

[Shaktimaan]

30. So because I disagree with your insane accusations...

you question my patriotism?

Hmmm... who else does that?

[DogPoundPup]

39. I know, you're embarrassed by your lack of respect

What else could you do but call me insane? That's OK though...just so long as I may have put a twinge of insight in your head and that you remember that 'disrespect' is what is fueling all the conflicts in all the grizzly, unnecessary loss of life in this miserable bizzarro world of greed and corruption.

[DogPoundPup]

27. You are not informed of this eh? Educate yourself then...

New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident By John Crewdson

Tribune senior correspondent

...For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed with incredulity: that Israel would attack an important ally, then attribute the attack to a case of mistaken identity by Israeli pilots who had confused the U.S. Navy's most distinctive ship with an Egyptian horse-cavalry transport that was half its size and had a dissimilar profile. And they're also incredulous that, for years, their own government would reject their calls for a thorough investigation.

"They tried to lie their way out of it!" Lockwood shouts. "I don't believe that for a minute! You just don't shoot at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of your target!"

Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping.

Their anger has been stoked by the declassification of government documents and the recollections of former military personnel, including some quoted in this article for the first time, which strengthen doubts about the U.S. National Security Agency's position that it never intercepted the communications of the attacking Israeli pilots -- communications, according to those who remember seeing them, that showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an American naval vessel.

The documents also suggest that the U.S. government, anxious to spare Israel's reputation and preserve its alliance with the U.S., closed the case with what even some of its participants now say was a hasty and seriously flawed investigation....

Continue reading @ http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7009

[Shaktimaan]

29. Educate myself you say?

Well, let's see, where should I go to learn crazy conspiracy theories now that the weekly world news is out of business? Oh, I know... global research! Let's see what's going on in the world, shall we?

Is Avian Flu another Pentagon Hoax? (How can we trust them after the Polio hoax?)

Conclusive evidence that WTC Building 7 was demolished with explosives (And only THEY have uncovered the truth!)

London 7/7 Terror Suspect Linked to British Intelligence? (I knew they were behind it!)

New Law slated to install Police State in Canada (oh no!)

FEMA's Blueprint for Martial Law in America (The canadians are coming! Wait, that's FEMA, isn't it? NAFTA? Someone's taking over, dammit!)

Oh, and they manage to both deny that the Rwandan Genocide occurred, while simultaneously insisting that the US was behind it. Wow! Personally, as funny as this site is, I find it sad that there are some people who rely on places like this for their information. George Bush is behind 9/11! Israel is going to nuke Iran, tomorrow! NAFTA is planning on stealing your children... and it's all legal! Bat Boy is on the loose again!

Lock your doors America.

[DogPoundPup]

43. Global research reprints articles from mainstream news

maan...are you just a little uneducated ALSO in the world of the internet or what?

See this: Global Research, October 8, 2007
Chicago Tribune - 2007-10-02

Chicago Tribune - 2007-10-02 means global reprinted this article from the Chicago Tribune's Oct. 2nd, 2007 edition. OK? DUH!

[Vegasaurus]

47. Oh sure...the old "the Jews were behind 9/11" theory

because they "all stayed home that day" and there was a little white van outside! No Muslims were involved, and it was all planned in advance by George W. Bush!

Riiiight.

In fact, while you're at it, the Jews are behind all the catastrophes of the world!

I am so sick of these idiotic conspiracy theories that place all blame for all the world's problems at the feet of the same group. It's sickening.

[LeftishBrit]

18. British soldiers have been killed by American 'friendly fire' far more recently than the Liberty...

and the Brits don't treat America as an evil enemy for all time because of it.

I am glad that you don't support Hamas. They are as right-wing and warlike as you can get - not really the ideal targets for support on a liberal board.

[LeftishBrit]

17. How about getting 'stressed' about the people who suffer on BOTH sides?

It is awful when Palestinian civilians die or are injured or live in fear.

It is awful when Israeli civilians die or are injured or live in fear.

It is awful when anyone dies or is injured or lives in fear.

What is needed is serious steps by the leaders of both sides to negotiate to achieve a lasting peace. Otherwise, it will never end.

'Those of you who cannot comprehend that people under occupation have a legitimate right to fight their oppressor will dismiss them as terrorists.'

I assume that if you're on this board, you would describe yourself as anti-war. Then why not apply it to the violence here too? Non-violent resistance is not only far more moral -at least from an anti-war person's point of view, but has *worked* far better for the Palestinians on those occasions when it has been tried.

[DogPoundPup]

22. Non-violent resistance

Yes, that would be the ideal...but...what is anyone expected to do when so many 'stray rockets' kill picnicers on beaches, or children playing in fields, or farmers working whatever land they have remaining to work on, or innocents who get too close to a barrier wall and get shot down in cold blood or a teacher teaching a class and is struck by an Israeli rocket, or a sick child who desperately needs medical treatment but isn't 'permitted' it ...how does any human being in any of these families who senselessly lose a loved one control their frustration and not want to throw a stone or two at their killers or oppressers? I s'pose at some time or another they don't really care to live in such squalled conditions that they figure what the Hell, What Have They Got Left to Lose and join with the dissidents. A quick death would be much better as opposed to the nightmares that these humans are forced to live through day after day with the images of the day befores injustices still vivid in their minds.

[sabbat hunter]

58. Yes or no

do you condemn Hamas, islamic Jihad, fatah for intentionally targeting civilians and civilian only targets?

A simple yes or no please.

[ProgressiveMuslim]

40. In spite of "suffering" on both sides, the suffering is hardly of the same scale.

Not. Even. Close.

Impact on the society as a whole?

Not. Even. Close.

As many here are so happy to remind us, Israelis lead full, happy, prosperous lives!

[ProgressiveMuslim]

41. For many here, even the slights disruption of Israeli life warrants the

genocide inflicted.

Some lives are simply worth more than others.

[sabbat hunter]

59. genocide?

are palestinians being killed by the hundreds of thousands or millions? a couple of thousand of civilian deaths, while extremely tragic, is not genocide.