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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:01 PM Original message |
Testimonies from Hebron: Soldiers choke, beat Palestinians |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. If this is on the level . . |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I see we are not that far apart in ways of thinking, msmcghee |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I'll buy in to your moral equivalence premise . . |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. That serious war crimes are committed on the Israeli side |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. where did I say any of those things? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. back up two posts #8 |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. huh? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. define your serious war crimes... |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 04:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
63. you've read the testimonies posted here? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. I visited Hebron many years ago.... |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Testimonies - Routine |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Our reign of terror, by the Israeli army |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Testimonies - Settler Violence |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. Testimonies - Killing/ Murder |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-18-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Testimonies - Patrols |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Can we have a comment from Pelsar on these IDF activities please?. .... n/t |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-19-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. pelsars comments.... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Thank you Pelsar......I appreciate your view on these reports, but....... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. i dont blame the attacks on just the occupation... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Negotiations between equals means what it says...... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. i'm afraid i still dont understand..... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Would Israel accept the Green Line as its border subject to mutually agreed land swaps?..... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. thats been agreed to already... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Olmert - "The Ariel bloc will be an integral part of Israel, whatever happens.....Ariel is Israel." |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. gaza |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. What do the Palestinians have to do to get Israel to agree to negotiate from the Green Line?.... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. whats hard to understand here? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. So... when does Israel have to prove its intentions? 7 years into an internationally recognized |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 06:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. and the other side?...can you say it? |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #39 |
59. Great, lots of Palestinians will be pleased to hear you say that....But does Olmert agree with you?. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 06:38 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. your under an illusion.... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Is Israel completely stupid?.....Does it not realize the impact of the expansion of settlements? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. facts on the ground count....not words... |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Do you know how many Israelis were killed in 1998 and 1999?.. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 04:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. so all israel has to say: |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 05:03 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Nothing would change unless the violence stopped......isn’t that what you want? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Of course they do. Those settlements speak louder than any words |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. you forgot to add a "but". I imagine you laughing hysterically as you wrote that. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I heard a pundit on NPR 2 days ago castigating Carter for dealing with terrorists who insist |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. If you remove the fact that your are on the receiving end... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. occupation is bad |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Israel's 40+ year tyranny over the WB and Gaza is nothing short of evil. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. do you really want a list? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. LOL Where could we start with this list? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Yes. I'd like to see a list of nations that has waged a sustained occupation, |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. China, for example |
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kayecy (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Israel claims to be a western democracy....Why insult it by comparing it with China?..n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Has China had troops on Tibetan soil murdering, expropriating land, creating |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. it is unique.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Pelsar just what then do suggest the Palestinians do? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. preintifada.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Don't know if this is "drama" |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. but thats the pipe dream...new leadership |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Barghouti has 2 important qualifications: #1) the objective of the liberation of his people |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. that may not be enough.... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Unlike your gov't and the USA, I have no interest in a "take over" but |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. what language....? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. What preceded Intifadah II, Pelsar? NOTHING. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Thanks for beginning to correct the egregious errors in basic history. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. some of us... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Yes some of us did, didn't we? nt |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. didnt you have any hope...during oslo? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. For me it fell apart when Rabin was assassinated. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. So you saw the increase in settlements across the WB? You saw the influx of |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. two major events...killed the hope from an israeli pov.... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. pre intifada II? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. First of all, how about considering the fact that the occupation is the CHOICE of |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. israel left gaza remember?...pulled out removed settlements... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Pelsar, once again we're up against the wall of your pretence |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:29 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. its called responsibility... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Hamas is already a failure |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 04:50 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Have you read the testimonies posted here? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. and those testimonies |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. oh ok. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
38. What is happening now is in no small part do to the segrigation |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
76. Border Police officer convicted of killing Hebron teen jailed for 6 years |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-01-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Policeman convicted of killing Arab escapes |
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