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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:32 PM
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U.S. Blames Hamas for Violence
Source: JTA

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- The Bush administration blamed Hamas for the escalation of violence on the Israel-Gaza Strip border and noted the humanitarian needs of Gazans.

Israel launched massive air raids Saturday in retaliation for an intensification of rocket attacks from Gaza, which is controlled by the Hamas terrorist group.

"The United States strongly condemns the repeated rocket and mortar attacks against Israel and holds Hamas responsible for breaking the ceasefire and for the renewal of violence in Gaza. The ceasefire should be restored immediately," a U.S. State Department statement said. "The United States calls on all concerned to address the urgent humanitarian needs of the innocent people of Gaza."

News accounts said between 150 and 200 people were killed in the Israeli raids, most of them members of Hamas militias. At least one Israeli was killed in rocket fire Saturday.

http://jta.org/news/article/2008/12/27/1001836/us-blames-hamas-for-violence
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:35 PM
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1. Well of course. n/t
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:36 PM
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2. Hamas is responsible without question
They could have controlled the terrorism and rocket fire.

They chose not to.

Even though they were warned that if they did not stop, there would be consequences.

It's like a child who continues to go near the hot stove, despite being told again and agin to stop.

One day, he will get burned.

But then you hope he will stop going near the stove.

Unfortuntaely, the Palestinians have never learned from their mistakes, and continue to get burned again and again, because they do not understand the concept of consequences, apparently.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:46 PM
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7. Its too bad the Paletinians don't have cruise missles so they would appear more grown up to you
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 02:47 PM by burythehatchet
on edit - your analogy is .... how do the kids say?.... epic fail?
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:53 PM
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10. Is that true?
Does Hamas actually have control over every Gaza militant who might want to launch a rocket?

That's a serious question for me. What do informed experts say on this?

- B
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:50 AM
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12. IT was over 300 rockets in the period of a week.
If Hamas can't prevent that they shouldn't be in charge of Gaza.

However lets not lie to ourselves. There are no courts in Gaza. There is no 5th amendment. Hamas rules with a fist. Nothing that big happens in Gaza without Hamas giving the ok. It is an area 1/4 the size of Los Angelos with 1/6th the people.

Do something like that without Hamas giving the ok and you end up with a bad case of dead.
I mean they aren't the ACLU they are terrorists, not exactly the kind of guys you play around with.

The equivalent would be the US "accidentally" launches some ICBMs at Mexico. Mexico complains and we keep launching ICBMs. It must be some "militias" doing it. Whole week goes by. Hundreds of ICBMS. Hey we can't stop it. Not sure where they are coming from. Meanwhile every day on ABC showing propoganda clips of the death of Mexico. But nope it wasn't govt launching those missiles it was those "rogue militas". Yeah, yeah that's it.

I mean if you believe that I got some Enron stock to sell you. It's about to pop you don't want to delay.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:51 AM
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17. Gaza is a police state
they can stop the attacks if they want.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:56 PM
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21. And Israel is a terrorist state
The difference? U.S. support
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 01:06 PM
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22. OK nt
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:36 PM
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3. Correction: Chimp's Administration Blames Hamas for Violence
In a preemptive media blitz, the Bush administration blames Hamas, Saddam Hussein, Al Qaida, and the Democrats for everything that's gone wrong over the past 8 years.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:40 PM
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4. Indeed, and noted.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:40 PM
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5. it would be cheaper to round up a bunch of women n children against a wall and just shoot em. unless
their after the Shock and Awh Shit effect of random grotesque slaughter of innocents.. because of the actions of a few gangster thugs
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:44 PM
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6. How are they randomly slaughter civilians? They hit military and infrastructure targets?
Less then a third of all dead so far have been civilians. All the targets hit so far operate in some sort of military capability, Israel is not bombing malls.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:47 PM
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8. It has always been
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 02:48 PM by Turbineguy
a Palestinian strategy to expose non-combatants to risk.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:48 PM
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9. One innocent civilian death is too many.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 03:51 AM
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13. So war is never justified under any circumstances? Ever? (n/t)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:38 AM
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16. War as an instrument of policy is always wrong.
I am not so naive to think that I will ever see a time in my life where war is not ongoing and common. I have no illusion that world leaders will turn their backs on violent aggression. But, that does not make it successful, worthy or defensible.

Taking an innocent life is always wrong.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 03:24 PM
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11. hey apparently bombed the police stations, Hamas is a large organisation, not all of it is terrorist
Edited on Sat Dec-27-08 03:30 PM by sam sarrha

it is a diverse organisation.. they also build hospitals and schools
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=israel+bombs+gaza&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title

they apparently bombed the police stations, Hamas is a large organisation, not all of it is a terrorist organisation,

there are no malls is the territories.. at least any built by/for the Palistenians.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:59 AM
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19. Ramallah has a mall built by/for the Palestinians
Al-Bireh is the first Palestinian city to have a covered, proper shopping centre ؟ or mall in American parlance ؟ to boast of. The PLAZA Shopping Centre, situated in the northern part of the cities of Ramallah and Al-Bireh, was officially opened on July 1st, 2003. The Centre occupies an area of seven and a half dunums (approx. 2 acres) of land and has nearly 10,000m² of commercial space. Spread out on two commercial floors, the businesses range from clothing stores of all types, including a franchise of the famous Benetton stores, to candy and gift shops, bookshop and stationary stores, computers, and other services such as dry cleaning, an optometrist, and a pharmacy. The centre also boasts several food outlets such as an U.S. franchise Italian restaurant, a café, oriental sweets, fast-food eateries and the first Palestinian franchise hamburger shop. The anchor store comprises a huge supermarket on the ground level, accurately named BRAVO Supermarket, which makes shopping for food a pleasant experience and offers easy access to the parking lot. The second anchor is a large indoor children's playground full of mechanical and video games, with the major attraction being a Formula 1 race track for kids, along with a birthday party area. The whole centre is air conditioned and centrally heated, making it an ideal place for winter shopping or for escaping the stifling summer heat. The centre offers full handicap access to all the stores.

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 04:02 AM
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14. Who gives a shit what the Bush administration says?
They're as predictable as clockwork and just as stupid as they've always been. And they're going to be history pretty soon, and replaced by an administration that will be fairer and make more sense....
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 08:23 AM
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15. I know right... of course Bush will support massacring the natives
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:57 AM
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18. Obama supports Israel's right to self defense
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:50 PM
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20. massacring the natives is not self defense.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:35 PM
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23. when has the US ever supported the Palestinians?
should I say never? Why must we always support Israel, can't we support both sides?
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