Egypt says Hamas not allowing wounded to leave Gaza

[Vegasaurus]

Now, why would Hamas prevent (their political pawns) from getting medical treatment in Egypt?


RAFAH, Egypt (AFP) — Egypt on Sunday blamed Hamas for not letting hundreds of Palestinians wounded by Israeli air strikes leave the Gaza Strip for treatment, with dozens of empty ambulances waiting on the border.

More than 270 Palestinians have been killed and 600 wounded since Israel began hammering the Gaza Strip with air strikes on Saturday, but no wounded have yet left via Rafah, the Hamas-ruled territory's only Arab border crossing.

"No one has come in, we don't know why they're closed on the other side," a senior border security official told AFP. Several plane- and truck-loads of aid are also waiting to be allowed into the Gaza Strip, a security official said.

"The wounded are barred from crossing" into Egypt, Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit said in Cairo, blaming "those who control Gaza. We are waiting for the wounded to cross."

[Vegasaurus]

1. link

http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE4BR01X.html

but Israel, of course, will continue to supply medical help and supplies:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230111726432&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[azurnoir]

10. This is the quote from the Reuters link

We are waiting for the wounded Palestinians to cross. They are not being allowed to cross," he told reporters. Asked who was to blame, he said: "Ask the party in control on the ground in Gaza."
that could mean Hamas and that could mean the party dropping bombs

[Vegasaurus]

13. Obviously you have reading comprehension problems

they said Hamas is not letting people leave.

[Vegasaurus]

2. Why would Hamas not let their wounded leave?

because it makes for good propaganda somehow to claim that they are being treated with bandaids?

[azurnoir]

3. I googled it got two hits

one to the BBC and one to a site called Jihad Watch one should keep in mind however that IAF is bombing Rafah albeit the headlines say IAF bombing tunnels most of them are in Rafah which might could be a reason no one is getting out

[bemildred]

4. Yah, I got Rafah, but not the crossing. nt

[azurnoir]

6. so it is Hamas?

[bemildred]

8. PM says she saw it (bombing the crossing) on al Jazeera (on TV).

I don't understand your question. I was just saying I googled Rafah and gots hits about bombing in Rafah, but nothing about the crossing.

Edit: ah, now I see, I'm running on another track.

[oberliner]

5. You googled what?

Did you Google: Egypt says Hamas not allowing wounded to leave Gaza ?

If you did you would get numerous hits from a wide variety of news agencies.

[azurnoir]

7. I googled Hamas not allowing wounded to leave Gaza

and got Jihad Watch first up, but I am sure the "like minded" are lapping this one up

[oberliner]

9. I'm not seeing anything from "Jihad Watch" come up

I just typed exactly what you wrote into Google. Here are the results:

Yahoo news is the first entry. Then aawsat.com. Then Echoroukonline. Then Google news. Then nasdaq.com, Africasia.com, metimes.com, blnz.com, thefreelbrary.com, and France24.com.

Those are the hits that come up on the first page.

Not seeing "Jihad Watch"

[azurnoir]

12. Ah yeah perhaps we have different googles n/t

[Vegasaurus]

11. It was on all major AP wires

including Reuters.

Nothing to do with Jihad Watch, but don't let your hatred get in the way of the truth,

[azurnoir]

14. Unlike others but I guess a half truth is better than none huh?

seems you been enjoying the past couple of days, seems friday you were flaming on about how most Gazans were terror supporters this must be quite satisfying for you although you will deny hat with the usual crocodile tears

[Vegasaurus]

15. What are you talking about???

THE FACTS:

All the major newswires had the story about Hamas not letting the injured out.

[azurnoir]

16. you mean the fact that the Rafah Crossing is being bombed?

kind of makes transfer difficult.

[Vegasaurus]

17. The AP news was first

read the time stamps.

Hamas was FIRST not letting people out.

Then came the air strikes on Rafah.

[JDPriestly]

21. Face it. Egypt doesn't like Hamas any more than we do.

But they dare not say it too loudly. Hamas is trouble. If Israel stops Hamas, it's easier for everyone in the Middle East. It is unfortunate that innocent people are caught in the crossfire, but Hamas is, I repeat, trouble.

[The Magistrate]

26. Very True, Ma'am

Hamas is an off-shoot of the 'Moslem Brotherhood' movement, to which the Egyptian government has been quite hostile, from the days of King Farouk through the regime of Col. Nasser and on to his present day successor.

[bridgit]

18. Hamas has invested millions in the PR position that they're a social services based...

organization...they are not. They are a militant political organization with stated intent to attack at times of their choosing the state of Israel. Pretending to a social services organization; they cannot be seen not caring for the political pawns, and canon/rocket fodder who's lives that have hijacked. So Hamas denies their wounded crossings

[Violet_Crumble]

23. That's totally incorrect...

Hamas is an organisation with a military arm and one which supplies social services. Academics who study Islamist groups and know far more than you obviously do have written a lot about this, so would you like me to get you some info on it? Or are we supposed to take yr word that the hospitals, schools and welfare system Hamas has had in place for many years is a figment of our imaginations?

[bridgit]

29. Not totally, by your position Israel having "hospitals, schools and welfare system" qualifies her...

as well for civilized status. So what's the problem? Which faction within Hamas do you suppose turns it's blind eye to the rockets? The military side? Or the "hospitals, schools and welfare system" side? Does the one side even know what the other is doing? There's clearly a huge disconnect, Israel's not the only contributor to it. As an elected leader of people, Hamas now has some understanding to partake of. If I were Hamas, the elected leader of a people, I would not be sending them with rinky dink rockets to provoke my adversary. Nor members of my military wing to provoke without warning my otherwise innocent people they may be bombed as a result of my less-than-thought-out political/military designs. Some of these things are as plain as day.

[Violet_Crumble]

19. Now why would you blindly believe what Egypt says all of a sudden?

After all, you never have in the past, what with them being such a horrifying abuser of human rights, blah blah blah. Why do you care less about who lets injured Palestinians into another country, seeing as how you've been so totally opposed to Israel allowing sick Palestinians into Israel? Most importantly, why are you suddenly pretending to care less about injured Palestinians when you've said such ugly and hateful things about them in the past?

[uppityperson]

20. Link to later topic...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=230299&mesg_id=230299

This article says Egypt is barring people from coming in.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081228/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgazaegyptaid_081228204012

[ConsAreLiars]

22. You delight in the murder of those in Gaza,

and you support the monsters who have deprived Gaza of medical supplies (and food and so on) yet you are "concerned" about the fact the survivors have difficulty escaping across aborder to another country. Oh, my, aren't you a compassionate soul? Your hatred of the Palestinians is apparent in every post you make. Maybe you can buy a heart on eBay, if you ever feel inclined to want one.

[excess_3]

24. the number of dead, is being exagerated. n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

25. Well, if you say so, I guess we've got to believe it n/t

[excess_3]

27. don't believe everything you read n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

28. Well, that's the first thing you've said in this thread that I believe n/t