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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:23 AM
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A message to President Obama
By Ron Breiman

We do not know what Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu will say to U.S. President Barack Obama during their first meeting, but let us hope that it will be something along the following lines:

You and I are at the outset of our terms of office. The expectations are sky-high, and the disappointments are liable to be equally great. Some people in Israel expect you to intervene in Israel's relations with the Arabs, both those living in the Land of Israel and in neighboring countries, while others expect you to refrain from intervening and to respect Israel's sovereignty and interests.

Mr. President, the basic condition for your success requires abandoning the assumption that the western part of the Land of Israel, between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, which covers only 22 percent of the original Mandatory Palestine, is amenable to partition. This is a single geopolitical unit; there is no room for two states.

Permit me to draw your attention to your predecessors in office, presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, who both lent a hand, even if in retrospect, to dangerous processes which, though they began in Israel, also affected important American interests. The first is the "peace process," whose origins lie in Oslo. The Oslo hallucinators took Clinton by surprise and persuaded him to oversee a dangerous and dubious agreement signed by Israel with Yasser Arafat's terrorist organization.

Clinton's eight-year presidency was almost concurrent with the years between the shameful signing of the Oslo agreement in September of 1993, and the Oslo war - the agreement's inevitable outcome - launched in September of 2000 by the "Palestinian Terror Authority."

The other dangerous processes were president Bush's "two-state vision" and prime minister Ariel Sharon's "disengagement." The result of expelling Jews from their homes in their own land - an act neither Jewish, democratic nor moral - was equally predictable and equally inevitable: a war in Gaza against the Palestinian enemy headed by Hamas, an organization that was elected by the Palestinians themselves and reflects the will of the majority.

Since 1993, Israel's leaders have cultivated the lies that peace depends on the establishment of a Palestinian state in the heart of the western Land of Israel, and that a difference exists between the goals of Hamas and the "Palestinian Terror Authority." Even though the fraud is overt and bleeding, the Israeli left refuses to accept responsibility for the wars it engendered, and the rest of the world, after all, cannot be more Zionist than Israel's leaders. The danger that threatens you, Mr. President, is that you, too, will be tempted to believe these lies. But you promised change.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1070812.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 12:25 AM
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1. BiB adds: I want a pony, too - or else you're a failure.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 01:06 AM
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2. Reading the article and the feedback
and all I can say is "wow, that's a lot of hate there".

I guess I don't see a solution that is going to make everyone, if not happy, at least placated.

I sure hope Obama doesn't stake his Presidency to solving the Israel / Palestine problem.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 02:34 AM
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3. I thought this was one of the more insightful feedbacks: #11
Title: justifying Palestinian terror

Name: David Strohm

City: Boston State: USA

what is all this about? What is the writer trying to tell us? If he believes that anyway original Mandate Palestine is Jewish land, so why does he talk about failed peace processes, lack of democracy, etc. Actually, he is justifying Palestinian terror because it is indeed the claim that all Palestine is Jewish and will be Israeli (which the Palestinians correctly interpret as: "we Jews will have to kick you out, with force if necessary, because all this is our land") which justifies the Palestinian`s war against Israel. What else could they do? Wait to be transferred or slaughtered?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1070812.html

# 11

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 03:04 AM
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4. I hope that Bibi is for once that honest
that from the river to sea is and has been the intent all along should be obvious but the real question is would even that honesty would change anything?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 04:48 AM
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5. This is a RW extremist who would deny Palestine's 'right to exist'
He belongs to the National Union Party - to the right of Likud - and to a group, Professors for a Strong Israel, which sets out its principles as follows:

'Principles
We support and lobby for the following principles:

The Land of Israel is the Homeland of the Jewish People: Judea, Samaria, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are integral parts of the Land of Israel. Every Jew has an inherent right to live in security and under Israeli sovereignty in any part of this Land. We are categorically opposed to yielding control of any part of the Land of Israel to any foreign entity.
Jewish Heritage: To preserve the Jewish character of Israel, Jewish heritage and national values should constitute the basic elements of Israel's educational and legal systems.
Free Market Economy: To enable Israel to achieve its economic potential, the Israeli political and economic system should adopt the principles of a free market economy, eliminate political favoritism, and reduce government intervention.'

So: hawkish and pro-settler, theocratic and economically right-wing. Nice.

They are virulently anti-Rabin's memory, and even attacked Sharon for not being RW enough.

Breiman himself has also said that Palestinians and other 'enemy subjects' should not be allowed to study at Israeli universities.


I am totally against boycotts of Israeli academics, but I'd be happy to make a personal exception of Breiman!

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 06:34 AM
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6. The guy's a real charmer, isn't he?
I bet in his spare time, he pollutes the Ha'aretz talkback...

The article, apart from being complete dribble, was so delightfully illogical that I just had to post it and share :)
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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:30 PM
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7. I'm underwhelmed by his "charm".
I started to read the article, and then I did a double take, and wondered if it was really you that posted it.

He's the mirror image of Hamas. The "it's all ours" mentality has to end on both sides.

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:49 PM
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9. Oops. I think that phrase lost something in translation...
I didn't mean the guy's actually a charmer. I think he's the exact opposite. Being a *real charmer* is used (at least in my experience) when me and my friends are out and one of us gets chatted up by some boozed-up overweight guy with BO who just has to inform us in between burps that he's sooo drunk he's just thrown up out front of the club...

I don't tend to go with the niceties of posting only stuff that I agree with. I've posted from GAMLA in the past, which I remember caused some consternation. If I get a laugh out of reading something, I plonk it here whether I agree with it or not. But you make a very good point and one that I thought when I read the article - he and his ilk really are the mirror image of Hamas. Without the absolutist extremist types on either side always at the ready to try to sabotage moves towards peace, the conflict may have been resolved a fair while ago...
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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:20 PM
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10. No, I understood you.
I was making a reference to a George S. Kaufman line. That's why I put "charm" in quotes.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 07:33 PM
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8. "This is your brain on drugs." nt
Edited on Sun Mar-15-09 07:34 PM by bemildred
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