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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:07 AM
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'Israel could have made peace with Hamas under Yassin'
Long, I'm not going to try to select stuff, the bits on Kuntar and Yassin are interesting, but there is more.

He stuffs a pouch of tobacco into his shirt pocket and then pauses to light a brown pipe. "I have brain damage," he says, almost shouting to make himself heard above the traffic. "Otherwise I don't understand why I write. I have no logical explanation for why people write. I am certain that everyone who writes is responding to a deep need - some sort of release from personal, inner, emotional distress. At least, that's how it is with me. Some of my distress and fears come out in the therapy I undergo occasionally, and some come out when I write."

Dr. Zvi Sela, a former senior police officer and a psychological consultant at present, is sitting in a sidewalk cafe on Ben Yehuda Street in Tel Aviv. Sweetly scented smoke wafts from his pipe. On the table, amid cups of coffee and glasses of water, lies his newly published novel, "Al Ima Zona Veyeled Me'umatz" (Hakibbutz Hameuchad, in Hebrew).

"The book is packed with intense psychological and sexual stories," Sela explains. "I have been treating people for a long time, more than 20 years. I am buffeted by the turbulence, the pain, the anger and the suicidal thoughts of my patients. You can't avoid it. Writing this book is my 'ventilation.'" He sips his coffee. It is midday and buses roar by. "This is not some kind of literary stunt," he adds. "There are a lot of epidemics and contagion in psychological work, and there is no way to emerge sane from it if you are not aware of the accumulated fears and anxieties of your patients. Giving vent to these - to the highly primitive and frustrating elements that arise during treatment - allows me to restore mental equilibrium. For example, when I hear a 15-year-old girl from a good home tell me offhandedly that she slept with three men and got good money, or when I am told about boys from an arts school who turned a girl into a sex slave, I can't sleep afterward. Writing liberates me from the pathology of the patients. There are a lot of my own tears in the book, not only of my characters."

Sela lives in the exclusive community of Bitan Aharon, near Netanya. He hardly remembers the streets of Tel Aviv, with which he was familiar in the 1970s, when he first joined the Israel Police and dealt with juvenile delinquency in the city. The protagonist of his book is just such a marginal youth - staggering drunk through the streets and immersed in loneliness near Dizengoff Square. Sela, who holds a doctoral degree in educational psychology from Newport University in California, has written a book about the tangled relationships between a wayward youngster, an adoptive mother and a biological mother. The relations between the three gradually intertwine in the course of treatment by a father-figure psychologist.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1078849.html
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 10:20 AM
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1. Instead, they chose to assassinate him. Sad.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 10:39 AM
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2. Well, you gotta remember the guy is selling a book.
And by his own testimony he has the morals and ethics of a mink in heat. But he makes some "interesting" claims and statements.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 11:24 AM
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3. Well, it wasn't as if Yassin didn't mention a cease-fire with the Israeli's since the early 1990s
but right before his assassination he talked of a different cease in the hostilities.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 11:46 AM
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4. Well, I do think killing him was one of the dumber moves.
Though that is a rich field of inquiry.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 11:52 AM
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5. It was quite balsy, you must admit...
Killing the spiritual leader of a known militant group prior to that group that he represents agreeing to a cease-fire with you, not to mention the guy was near blind and stuck in a wheelchair- not exactly the best PR move.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 11:54 AM
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6. Yep, he got around pretty good in that wheelchair.
Regular terminator he was. You know the story about how he got out of jail?
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 11:55 AM
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7. Wasn't that tied to Mossad agents that were captured being exchanged for his release?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 12:07 PM
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8. Yeah.
Strange stuff. You wonder do they really believe that this sort of thing is a useful activity?

In 1997 Yassin was released from Israeli prison as part of an arrangement with Jordan following the failed assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal, which had been conducted by the Israeli Mossad in Jordan. Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities,(3) on the condition that he refrain from continuing to call for suicide bombings against Israel.(12)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin

So they let him out because of this fuckup, and then they killed him with a Hellfire seven years later.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 02:16 PM
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9. Some did, in fact Yassin's assassination was a contested inssue inside the Israeli government
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 02:20 PM by Idealism
Sharon's own Minister of the Interior Avraham Poraz and another member of the cabinet voted against the resolution to assassinate Yassin. It later got him fired.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1457563/Hamas-chief-assassinated-in-air-strike.html

Some members of Mr Sharon's governing coalition questioned the assassination.

The interior minister, Avraham Poraz, of the centrist Shinui Party, told Israeli radio stations that he believed the killing would "foster further hate and more attacks".

He said that he and the justice minister, Yosef Lapid, his party leader, had voted against the assassination when the cabinet approved it.

Here is a funny overview of Yassin:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/7833/middle_east.html

"Was Yassin a Threat?"

"Middle-East analysts disagree"
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