Brazil dismisses Israeli protests over Ahmadinejad visit

[bemildred]

Iran's president will be received in Brasilia Wednesday despite Israel's protests, Brazil's Foreign Minister Celso Amorim said Thursday.

The Foreign Ministry opposes the planned visit by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Brazil, and summoned that country's ambassador to Israel, Pedro Motta Pinto Coelho, to register a protest.

"If we stop taking visitors because certain countries disagree with them, we would not be able to accept hardly anyone," O Globo quoted Amorim as saying. But he also said that President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva will express his discontent with Ahmadinejad's description of Israel as a "cruel and racist" entity.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1082621.html

[BunkerHill24]

1. Israel is an apartheid state and shouldn't be pointing fingers

[Behind the Aegis]

3. Please, learn what "apartheid" actually is and not use it as propaganda....

...in your anti-Israel posts.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

6. I think it's a fairly accurate description of Israel's policy.

One government effectively controls all the land between the Jordan and the sea. That government is voted for by Israelis but not by Palestinians, despite the fact that they are all effectively its subjects, and it promotes the interests of Israelis at the expense of Palestinians, and to a lesser extent the interests of Jews at the expense of Arabs.

"Apartheid" is, if anything, a fairly mild term for what Israel is practicing.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. Again, learn the meaning.

"One government effectively controls all the land between the Jordan and the sea. That government is voted for by Israelis but not by Palestinians..." Nice propaganda and completely inaccurate, but hey, what the hell, it is only Israel.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. No, actually.

The degree of control over the day-to-day lives of the Palestinians exercised by Israel is considerable - it denies them access to all sorts of basic supplies, for example, drives many of them out of their homes, controls much of their homeland and prevents them forming a state.

If it wishes to continue doing this, it has a moral obligation to let them vote.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Again, you need more education and less propaganda "truth."

There is no "moral obligation" to let them vote in Israeli elections.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

22. Once again, that's a slogan, not a rebuttal.

Which makes me suspect that that is all you have.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Once again, nothing but your precious propaganda.

Which CONFIRMS it is the only "truth" you know.

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[IndianaGreen]

12. Talmudic rubbish!

Even Desmond Tutu used apartheid to describe Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

13. I'm sure you find that very comforting to believe.

It's very noticeable that neither you nor BTA has attempted to explain how the fact that one government exercises control over two peoples, but only represents the interests of one of them, and forbids most (but not all) of the other from voting for it, does not amount to apartheid.

I'm sure that what you tell yourself is "because no-one would listen if we did", rather than the more honest "we can't do so".

So, even if you don't consider me worthy of hearing it, why not try to come with an explanation just for yourself of how what Israel is doing doesn't add up to apartheid, and then spend a few minutes trying to knock that explanation down. I'm sure you'll tell yourself you can't, but you'll know in your heart that you're lying to yourself.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Israel is an apartheid state, BTA

Even Israeli Arabs say the same thing.

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Of course it is...among the brain-dead propagandists.

America is a Christian nation, even the evangelicals say the same thing. :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

17. Desmond Tutu called it apartheid, and he lived through it in South Africa

Who you got on your side, John Hagee?

[Behind the Aegis]

18. No, he didn't and where he lived doesn't make a whit of difference.

Who else you got on your side, David Duke?

[IndianaGreen]

19. You must have the hots for David Duke, since you mentioned that POS's name twice

Those that lived under apartheid are calling Israel's treatment of Palestinians a form of apartheid. Your side thinks that everything that Israel does to Palestinians is a virtue, and none of you have ever called for an end to settlement construction and expansion, which begs the question as to whether you will support Obama when he pushes for a peace settlement.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. He has a most recognizable name. I am thinking you are the one with the crush...

...classic projectionism (Jonathan Pollard).

Those that lived under Apartheid are entitled to their OPINIONS, but not their own FACTS. Your side thinks everything Israel does is a vice and none of you call them on their methods except for "the occupation made them do it" and other such nonsense, which makes one wonder if you will support Obama when the Palestinians are required to make some concessions. See broad-brushing is easy-peasy.

[Howardx]

23. if they dont support obama

they will have no reason to post here other than to spread their bile.

[LeftishBrit]

24. What do you mean by 'your side'?

How many people on DU consider that 'everything that Israel does to Palestinians is a virtue'???? Pretty few, I suspect.

'none of you have ever called for an end to settlement construction and expansion'

I have frequently done so, and yet my views are different from yours in important ways.


'whether you will support Obama when he pushes for a peace settlement.'

I would guess that most people here will do so! Here's hoping for a really good and lasting peace settlement.

[drchoice22]

5. Excuse me sir, Israeli police here, you are not allowed to say anything bad about israel.

It should be against the law in your country.

[azurnoir]

2. And..............

the Brazilian government has a right to have any visitor they want, did Israel protest Ahmadinejad's visit to America? Really I don't remember

[bemildred]

4. I just think the habit of telling other governments who they ought to talk to

is a mistake. It will just make them annoyed with you.

[azurnoir]

8. Yup I chalked it up to just another

{nutty}Yahooism, I guess diplomacy is not his strong suit, that's my NSS statement of the day

[IndianaGreen]

14. No AIPAC or Haim Saban in Brazil

to buy and sell influence with politicians.

Que piedade!

[LeftishBrit]

21. Ahmadinejad is revolting...

but it's any country's right to have whatever visitors they want. This goes both ways - a country also has the right to *exclude* people, as when Britain excluded Feiglin, or Israel excluded Finkelstein.