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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:19 PM
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Israel confirms U.K. arrest warrant against Livni
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"Senior officials in Israel confirmed reports on Monday that a British court issued an arrest warrant against opposition chairwoman Tzipi Livni for her role in orchestrating Israel's military offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip nearly a year ago.

The request for the warrant was submitted by a pro-Palestinian organization.

British sources reported late Monday that though a British court had issued an arrest warrant for Livni over war crimes allegedly committed in Gaza while she served as foreign minister, it annulled it upon discovering she was not in the U.K."

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"Earlier Monday, Arab-language media reported that Livni canceled her participation in a Jewish function in London after a warrant for her arrest was issued over part in last winter's Israel's Gaza offensive.

Israel's ambassador to London, Ron Prosor, conferred with officials in the British Ministry of Justice who told him that they were unaware of any criminal complaint or arrest warrant against the former foreign minister.

Yet, further inquiries by Israeli officials revealed that a warrant had indeed been issued."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1134978.html
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:56 PM
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1. Can you do a citizen's arrest in cases like this?
Livni is a mass murderer and I'd be glad to help put her behind bars myself. Save us from blood-soaked "moderates".
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:56 AM
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2. I don't think there'd be any need to..
If she ever shows her face in the UK, she's going to be arrested. No need for citizens arrests...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 09:43 AM
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3. I only wish the UK would issue an arrest warrant against Tony Blair...
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:00 AM
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4. Ever the field-leveler....
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:49 PM
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21. how about arrest warrants elsewhere for the leaders in Sudan, Iran, Korea....?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:09 AM
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28. Omar El-Bashir of Sudan is indeed the subject of an ICC arrest warrant (nt)
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:48 PM
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29. but who else has Britain targetted besides Israeli leaders the past 3-5 years? Anyone at all?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:56 AM
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32. 'Britain' did not target them; a particular court did, and the government does not support it
To give one example of another individual: Robert Mugabe is not allowed to visit Britain - or the EU countries as a whole- except for UN events, over which we have no jurisdiction. And when he came here for one such event, Peter Tatchell the human rights activist attempted a citizen's arrest.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 06:44 AM
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34. thank you for the correction - so out of all the nasty leaders in the world who else besides Mugabe
...has been targeted by the courts in the past few years?

Check this out and let me know what you think of it...


ARRESTING POLITICIANS - BRITISH HYPOCRISY

http://cifwatch.com/2009/12/17/arresting-politicians-british-hypocrisy/
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:52 PM
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38. Firstly..
I would like to say that, even as a very non-nationalistic individual, I am a bit irritated by the way that this action is portrayed by its opponents as a 'British' action, rather than an action by one particular British judge. It is just like anti-Zionists blaming all of Israel for the actions of one official.

I agree that it is hypocritical to go after Livni before going after Blair (who is responsible for the murder of far more people in general, and Arabs and Muslims in particular). In fact, I brought up that side of the issue in the first place.

For the rest: it is rare for individual judges or police officers to issue arrest warrants against any leaders - probably largely because such warrants are likely to be pretty irrelevant and have no real 'teeth', especially if not backed up by the government. Britain backs ICC arrest warrants against e.g. El-Bashir, which do have more real teeth.

What is more relevant than individual judges' idiosyncratic arrest warrants, is the government's power to ban certain people from entering the country. There are a wide variety of such people banned, and there is some randomness in it. Most such people are known or suspected terrorists or terrorism supporters (e.g. Bin Laden obviously!) or 'hate preachers' of whom the best known is probably Omar Bakri. Americans banned from entering include Fred Phelps, Louis Farrakhan (both no doubt for 'hate preaching') and white supremacist Stephen Black. Apart from Mugabe, leaders banned from Britain include former Thai Prime Minister Shinamatra and, until his death, Slobodan Milosevic. A degree of randomness is shown by the fact that Ahmadinejad is not on the list, but his Army Commander Jafari is, as is the head of the Iranian nuclear agency Aghazadeh. As regards Hamas, Meshaal is not banned, but another leader, Yunis, is. Ibrahim Musavi, the Hezbollah public relations officer, is banned. I think it can be assumed that a number of other leaders would be 'persona non grata' here, and might be banned if they showed a serious interest in entering.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:07 PM
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5. kick
nt
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:19 PM
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6. Israel fury at UK attempt to arrest Tzipi Livni
Israel has reacted angrily to the issuing by a British court of an arrest warrant for the former Israeli Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni.
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It is the first time a UK court has issued a warrant for the arrest of a former Israeli minister.

Ms Livni said the court had been "abused" by the Palestinian plaintiffs who requested the warrant.

"What needs to be put on trial here is the abuse of the British legal system," she told the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8413234.stm

It is however "our" legal system and so there's sweet fuck all Israel can do about it.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:50 PM
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11. fury -
how DARE they threaten a genocidal racist?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:45 PM
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7. Where are the indictments against the war criminals in Hamas? n/t
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 03:47 PM
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8. They are all locked in the Gaza prison and can't travel. It's moot, isn't it? nt
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 04:59 PM
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9. Hamas supremo Meshaal visits Iran
TEHRAN — Khaled Meshaal, the exiled leader of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, began a visit to Iran on Sunday, Mehr news agency reported.

Meshaal was to meet with top officials including President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the agency said.

A Hamas statement from Meshaal's Damascus headquarters said the visit was part of a regional tour, but gave no further details.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iaiOVnwikGS1dOEqz3rJ3RNHInNA
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:06 PM
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10. I stand corrected.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:16 PM
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13. Isn't Meshaal living in Syria?
Exile

Following the expulsion of the Hamas leadership from Jordan in August 1999 after the accession of King Abdullah II, Mashal has made his home in Qatar. In August 1999, possibly in reaction to pressure from the Clinton Administration, Jordanian police issued an arrest warrant for Mashal in advance of a visit to the country by the US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.<10> In 2001, he moved to Damascus, Syria where he currently resides.<3>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Mashal

If he were currently living in Gaza would he still be able to travel?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:45 AM
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18. Yes, he is
Perhaps someone in Syria can arrest him for war crimes.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:59 AM
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30. That makes no sense if yr opposed to Livni being arrested in the UK...
How do you explain away such inconsistancies in yr views?
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:43 PM
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12. you mean the good, harmless leadership of Hamas who peacefully resist apartheid?
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 07:13 PM by shira
what on earth have they done wrong?

stop demonizing Hamas! when you do that, you demonize the Palestinian people!

:eyes:
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:20 PM
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14. Do they visit the UK?
because that is where the warrant for Livni was issued and it is not an international warrant it only applies within the UK

Why do you think Bush hasn't paid Tony a visit
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 09:22 PM
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16. That doesn't make any sense.
If Bush is avoiding the UK because he's afraid he would be arrested there, why don't they arrest Blair? He already lives there and he has blood on his hands too.

Tony Blair admits: I would have invaded Iraq anyway
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:56 PM
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17. Possibly for the same reason a warrant was not issued
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 11:10 PM by azurnoir
for Ehud Barack, which is that he was in the UK for official diplomatic reasons, in which case he is immune from such action or perhaps because for whatever no one has asked for one to be issued, there may be other legal issues also here is a link with more

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/24/israel-war-crime-allegations-law

eta to add another link which BTW was quite deeply buried in the pages of Google

http://www.justice.org.uk/images/pdfs/Aegis%20LORDS%20briefing%20note%20SHORT%20-%20JUNE%202.pdf
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:46 PM
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15. Israeli politicians' fear of legal action


Tzipi Livni's refusal to enter Britain because she fears arrest on war crimes charges increases the number of Israeli ministers and ex-ministers who fear legal action, and is to be welcomed (British court issued Gaza arrest warrant, 15 December). Richard Goldstone's report for the UN detailed serious war crimes and potential crimes against humanity carried out by the Israeli government in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009. It urged international governments to take action to bring those responsible to justice. It is now almost a year since the Israeli government started its brutal and bloody Operation Cast Lead, killing over 1,400 Palestinians in Gaza. The British government has already acted shamefully by not voting for the Goldstone report at the UN.

We are shocked at reports that the Foreign Office is seeking to avoid its responsibility to uphold international law and bring war criminals to justice. The statement that Israeli leaders must be able to come to Britain and that the Foreign Office is "looking urgently at the implications of this case" implies meddling with due judicial process. The government should rectify this immediately, reaffirm the principles of international law and justice, and take action itself to ensure those responsible for war crimes are brought to justice. And if the government does not act, we are ready and willing to take action.

Betty Hunter

Palestine Solidarity Campaign

• Why does the Guardian believe the Foreign Office is embarrassed about the attempt to issue/serve an arrest warrant on ex-Israeli foreign minister Livni in London? It is not as if it is the first of such attempts in the UK against Israeli ministers under so-called universal jurisdiction. It is not as if other countries, which also had laws which claimed similar rights, such as Belgium and Spain, have not also had similar experiences in recent years. The only difference is that those countries changed their laws in the face of the obvious abuse of the legal process that resulted from such cases. The UK government has stood firm and done nothing. If it is embarrassed, it is rightly so from its own inactivity.

Peter Simpson

Jerusalem, Israel

• It was amusing to read about the Palestinian groups seeking a warrant for alleged war crimes. British soldiers have said that Israel does no more than Britain and its allies are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan – and certainly no worse than the British against the IRA. And, of course, when the Germans bombed Britain in the second world war, killing thousands, the British responded by killing tens of thousands of German civilians. Gosh, why would anyone think Israel is being hypocritically singled out, and that the Palestinian groups are politicising the British court system?

David Latner

Toronto, Canada

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/16/gaza-israel-livni-legal-action
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:17 PM
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19. Israeli officials at risk for civil lawsuits in US
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"Four American Jewish groups are urging the US Supreme Court to reverse a lower court decision that could lead to Israeli officials being slammed with civil lawsuits in the United States.

Coinciding with a British judge's decision to sign an arrest warrant for Kadima leader Tzipi Livni for alleged "war crimes" during Operation Cast Lead, the brief seeks to overturn a Fourth Circuit decision to strip foreign government officials from immunity in American civil lawsuits.

Written by Washington attorney Nathan Lewin on behalf of the Zionist Organization of America, the American Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists, Agudath Israel of America and the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, the "friend of court" brief warns against a "torrent of unfounded lawsuits against Israeli government officials" in the absence of absolute immunity.

"Public officials should have the same immunity as their governments have under federal law in order to enable them to act in accordance with their best judgment in their roles," Lewin said."

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"The case in question, Samantar vs. Yousuf, which is on the docket for March 3, concerns a former minister of defense and prime minister of Somalia, Mohamed Ali Samantar, who was in power between 1980 and 1990 when opponents of the Supreme Revolutionary Council were allegedly tortured and killed. Federal law protects present and former government officials, but a Fourth Circuit judge said immunity should not be extended to Samantar personally.

Alyza Lewin, whose father wrote the brief, said foreign officials have been targeted "with increasing frequency all over the world."

"The decision of the court in the case will have a very significant impact on Israel and on Jews," she said. "There are immediate consequences."

The brief cites at least 15 present and former Israeli officials who could face civil or criminal legal actions."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260930874395&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:39 PM
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20. Thanks more on this guy Samatar
In 2009, a civil lawsuit seeking financial damages from Samatar was filed in the United States by a small group of Somalis, some of whom are naturalized U.S. citizens. The group said that they had suffered physical abuse in violation of international law at the hands of soldiers or other government officials under Samatar's command. However, the plaintiffs do not claim that Samatar personally committed the atrocities or that he was directly involved.<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Samatar

couldn't this also affect other victims suits?
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:53 PM
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22. Miliband pledges Britain will no longer tolerate legal harrassment of Israeli officials
Foreign Secretary David Miliband later announced that Britain would no longer tolerate legal harassment of Israeli officials in this fashion.

Speaking after meeting Israel's London ambassador Tuesday night, Miliband said the British law permitting judges to issue arrest warrants against foreign dignitaries without any prior knowledge or advice by a prosecutor must be reviewed and reformed.

Miliband said the British government was determined that arrest threats against visitors of Livni's stature would not happen again.

"Israel is a strategic partner and a close friend of the United Kingdom. We are determined to protect and develop these ties," Miliband said. "Israeli leaders - like leaders from other countries - must be able to visit and have a proper dialogue with the British government."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1135207.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:18 PM
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23. Outcry over plan to give attorney general veto on war crimes warrants
The attorney general will be asked to approve warrants before suspected war criminals can be arrested in future under a plan being negotiated by the Foreign Office in response to the row over attempts to arrest Israel's former foreign minister.

The Guardian has learned that discussions have begun in Whitehall on creating "safeguards" in criminal cases against visiting foreign leaders – not just those from Israel. Lawyers involved said they were outraged by the proposed change.

Gordon Brown today threw his weight behind moves to change the law and telephoned Tzipi Livni, leader of the Israeli opposition, to say he "completely opposed" the warrant issued by a London magistrates court for her arrest for alleged crimes in relation to the war in Gaza. The warrant was withdrawn when it transpired that Livni was not in the UK, but triggered a huge diplomatic spat in which politics clashed head-on with the law.

David Miliband, the foreign secretary, also phoned Livni, and called his Israeli counterpart, Avigdor Lieberman, to apologise.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/16/attorney-general-veto-warrants
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:26 AM
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24. Yeah, that's totally wrong...
Sort of makes a mockery about the UK's justice system being an independent one...
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:21 AM
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25. What David Miliband should say to Tzipi Livni
According to news reports, David Miliband plans to call the leader of the Israeli opposition, Tzipi Livni, to explain the British government's stance on the grant of an arrest warrant against her when she had been due to speak at a Jewish National Fund meeting in Hendon.

One reasonable version of this call to Livni is as follows:

"I am calling to explain why it would be wrong for me to apologise publicly or privately for the apparent decision by one of this country's independent judiciary to issue an arrest warrant against you.

"I should first explain that the British legal system has a strong tradition of fairness. All people under criminal investigation or criminal charge are entitled to the presumption of innocence: that is, they are presumed innocent unless and until convicted through a fair trial on the criminal standard of proof (that is, beyond reasonable doubt). Therefore, nobody here is saying you have been found guilty of any offence and any comments of this kind would be unacceptable.

"It does seem, however, that a judicial decision was taken that there exists a reasonable suspicion that you committed a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which is a criminal offence under our Geneva Conventions Act 1957. Of course, I have not seen any of the evidence that a court would have seen when making that decision. This is entirely right and proper: British ministers cannot interfere in such individual judicial decisions, as we must respect our ancient democratic tradition of non-interference with our independent judiciary. I hold the utmost respect for our independent judges.

"I am sorry, but I hope you understand that it is not my job as foreign secretary or any part of this government's job to second-guess a judge's decision or to interfere with it. I can tell you, however, that no charges could be brought against you without a decision by the attorney general. We very carefully guard the legal role of the attorney general, as the senior law officer, in making such decisions. The attorney general would first need advice from the head of our independent prosecution body, the director of public prosecutions, that the evidential test of the code for crown prosecutors was thought to be met (ie that there was more than a 50% chance that a jury would convict a defendant, having found on the evidence that it was beyond reasonable doubt that she had committed the alleged offence). If this evidential test was met, the independence of the UK legal system from the executive and the rights of victims of alleged crimes to see a just outcome to their complaints would be seriously undermined if the attorney general made a decision that it was against the public interest to bring charges of war crimes against a foreign national, who did not otherwise enjoy immunity from prosecution.

"Moreover, the attorney general would have to take into account this country's solemn treaty obligations under Article 146 of the Fourth Geneva Convention which states that we are 'under the obligation to search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed … grave breaches, and shall bring such persons, regardless of their nationality, before courts'. The mandatory wording (ie 'shall') creates a presumption that it is in the public interest for criminal charges to be brought under our Geneva Conventions Act 1957 if the evidential test is met. I cannot say what the attorney general's decision would be in your case, as it must be a matter for her, on advice from the DPP.

"I understand that this may be a difficult position for you to accept. However, it is only appropriate that I also draw to your attention to some very disturbing aspects of the report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza conflict, headed up by the respected independent international judge Justice Richard Goldstone. As you know, the Goldstone report was adopted by the UN Human Rights Council in October and further endorsed at the general assembly in November. While the British government did not participate in the vote when the council adopted the report, we cannot ignore its conclusions that, from the facts that it gathered, grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention do appear to have been committed by Israeli armed forces in Gaza, including wilful killing. Also, at paragraph 1975, the Goldstone report recommended that 'state parties to the Geneva Convention … should start criminal investigations in national courts, using universal jurisdiction, where there is sufficient evidence of the commission of grave breaches … where so warranted following investigation, alleged perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted in accordance with internationally recognised standards of justice'.

"In the light of all this, Her Majesty's government must therefore carefully weigh everything in the balance when considering whether it would be appropriate to prevent alleged victims applying for judicial arrest warrants. As I have great faith in the standards of justice in this country and in the quality of our judiciary, the political embarrassment that is sometimes caused by standing by our legal traditions will have to be endured. Changing these provisions would undermine our strong democratic values and the rights of victims of alleged serious crimes to access to justice. I hope that the assurance that I have given you that criminal charges will only be brought for grave breaches if the most senior prosecutor in this country thought there was sufficient evidence to justify charges, will satisfy you that only where there appears to be a case to answer will someone be charged with such offences in this country.

"I implore you to join calls within Israel for compliance with the rule of law and for the establishment of an immediate and urgent independent and effective judicial investigation, which can conclude whether or not any of the Israeli leadership that made operational decisions during Operation Cast Lead, including you, should face criminal charges under your own laws. The same applies to the Gaza authorities. Alternatively, if you are concerned that Israel cannot meet this challenge, then Israel could refer itself to the only fully independent international body that has the resources and the ability to resolve such matters, namely the international criminal court.

"Only once the matters set out in the Goldstone report are brought to a just and satisfactory resolution, which may include the need for some individuals on both sides of the conflict to be held accountable for their alleged individual criminal responsibility, the whole region can perhaps benefit from a durable and lasting peace. Without justice there cannot be peace."

Unfortunately, it seems that Miliband is unlikely to make the above phonecall to Tzipi Livni, but instead will repeat his statements of recent days, which implicitly criticise the role of our independent judiciary, and which fly directly in the face of this country's international legal obligations to "search out and prosecute" all those alleged to have committed war crimes. This sends a message that Britain is in fact a safe haven for suspected torturers and war criminals, especially if they come from a country which is identified as an ally of the United Kingdom. This is particularly alarming given that just one week ago, with his fellow EU foreign ministers, David Miliband endorsed a document promoting compliance with international human rights law which concluded with the promise that "The European Union will continue to do its utmost to promote an international order where no state or individual is above the law and no person is outside the protection of the law."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/16/david-miliband-tzipi-livni
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:14 AM
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26. Gee, I wonder if they issued a warrant for the leaders of Hamas?
Somehow I doubt it.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:20 AM
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27. i'd like to know who they've issued warrants for the past 3-5 years
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 02:01 AM
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31. Gosh, why would they when they haven't been visiting the UK?
Did you read the article and notice that the arrest warrant was issued when it was thought Livni was visiting the UK? Why after reading that would you come out with that rather silly and pointless question about Hamas leaders? Do you know something no-one else knows and are aware that they're about to visit the UK or something?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 06:36 AM
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33. Brown Says Livni Would ‘Always Be Welcome’ in U.K.
Dec. 16 (Bloomberg) -- U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown telephoned Tzipi Livni, leader of the Israeli opposition party Kadima, today, to tell her he was very disappointed she wasn’t able to visit the U.K., his spokesman said in Copenhagen where Brown is attending a summit on climate change. Brown said Livni would “always be welcome” in Britain, his spokesman said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=ac9DQUf7jCuE
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 01:26 PM
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35. Question
Did that same British court issue an arrest warrant for Hafez al-Assad after the massacre at Hama?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 01:43 PM
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36.  al-Assad died in 2000 the law is for crimes commited after 2001
and only applies in those cases and only to someone physically present in the UK
And I must ask considering Ehud Barak's recent brush with this law just how "surprised" Livni was by what transpired does she not read or listen to the news?
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:39 PM
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37. That's not the point I'm trying to make.
Yes I know Al Assad died in 2000 and he was not present in the UK. I just find it odd when close to 10000 people are killed by their own government no says a damn thing.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:56 PM
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39. Maybe you should have asked a different question then...
Because you got the answer to yr question and clearly you don't like it, but that doesn't make it any less the answer that was clear to anyone who'd read the OP....
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