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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:13 PM
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WASPs at last
The day after Chelsea Clinton's marriage to Marc Mezvinsky, the Tikvah Fund's annual seminar opened at Princeton University. There, Prof. David Novak talked about a different era, in which even the son of a former secretary of the treasury, Henry Morgenthau, had trouble getting accepted to that university because he was a Jew. And when he was finally accepted, he was rejected by all the eating clubs, Princeton's equivalent of fraternities - an important part of American student life and the key to social and economic status. Today, a seminar at which Jews discuss how to integrate Jewish thought into the study of the humanities is taken for granted on this campus.

Aside from its religious ramifications, the Clinton-Mezvinsky wedding highlights the enormous sociological changes, whose impact can scarcely be overstated, that have taken place here in the decades that culminated in the marriage between a daughter of the group that discriminated against others and a son of a group that was discriminated against. For many Jews, Mezvinsky's acceptance into the bosom of this high-toned WASP family seems to set the final seal on the sociological process that the Jews, and especially Reform Jews, have undergone in America. From now on, the fantasy goes, we are all Mezvinskys.

On the other side, for those who have been fearfully following the process of assimilation and disappearance that the Jewish people has undergone in America, and on other continents, this "culminating event" poured salt on open wounds. Some 90 percent of young Jews, according to recent polls, do not rule out marriage with a non-Jew. And the results are easy to see: Due to intermarriage, the number of Jews in the United States has fallen by more than a quarter since the 1960s.

Only 5 million Jews (a number that includes about 1 million Israelis and immigrants from the former Soviet Union ) live today in the world's second-largest Jewish population center. The numerous intermarriages attest to a desire to shake off the burden that Jewish identity entails - even in its minimalist Reform version - and assimilate into the American melting pot. (Note that the American melting pot is not the same as the American dream. The original American dream allowed people to continue adhering to their own religion and nationality, viewing this as legitimate and even desirable, not something that impedes realization of that dream. )

More than a few Jews, including Reform Jews, were hurt by the inclusion of ancient Jewish symbols, like the breaking of the glass, alongside Christian ones at Saturday's wedding. Rabbi James Ponet, who officiated over this mishmash, displayed radical conformism. That is apparently linked to the dream some Jews have of pleasing the ultimate WASP, and thereby trying to solve the identity problem that lurks deep in the recesses of the Jewish soul. But it seems doubtful that they will find peace and belonging by making like Ionesco's rhinoceroses.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/wasps-at-last-1.306106
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 12:26 PM
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1. What a bunch of bullcrap...
It's not that Jews want to be WASPS, it's that many Jews are not religious at all anymore. And considering their religion is a big part of their cultural identity, when Jews stop practicing their religion, they may eventually stop being "Jewish" in the eyes of the Orthodox practitioners. That, combined with low reproduction rates, is what is causing the number of Jews to drop in the US. But it's always so convenient to blame the WASPS for everything in the world I guess, even taking all the good eligible Jewish bachelors and bachelorettes! Come on Jews! You'd better get reproducing (with other Jews)! Well, that's part of the mantra in Israel itself at least. Thanks to Orthodox Jews, with very high reproduction rates, there will always be Jews around. But most Jews in the US don't want to be Orthodox, and from my own experience with Orthodox Jews, I can fully sympathize with why they would not want to.

This article is incredibly offensive bullshit. "like the weaker souls among us have"? Seriously? What purity-driven crap.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 01:06 PM
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2. As one with a fair bit of mixed ancestry myself, I say UGH to this
How about Marc and Chelsea just plain being in love, rather than Marc wanting to deny his ancestry or 'please the ultimate WASP' or whatever?

I would expect some WASP bigots to be against Chelsea marrying a Jewish man (especially those who will find any excuse to attack a Clinton). This is just the same on the Jewish side.

I can see reasons why many Jews who identify strongly with Jewish culture would not want to marry someone outside the culture. Fine. Don't. I can even understand their being sad if a family member did so. But don't attack other people's rights to intermarriage.

Sorry to get so het up, but he's basically insulting quite a few members of my family.

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:00 PM
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3. Racist ethnocentric bullshit. those who intermarry are weak ?????
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 06:58 PM
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4. Pretty sad OP, but this from the TalkBacks I found hilarious:
# 14
30 thumbs up, 2 thumbs down.

View > Why marry for love when you can have 10 kids and a husband who does not work?
That's the Orthodox dream. I prefer the American dream.
Allegra
05.08.10



LOL


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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-05-10 10:39 PM
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5. This is the charming little group Mr. Harel helped found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Emunim

Basically, this piece is payback on Bill Clinton for daring to ALMOST get a Palestinian state created, and on the Mezvinsky family for daring to let their son marry Bill's daughter.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 02:09 AM
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6. Can someone explain to me...
What in the samhill this has to do with either Israel or Palestine?

That aside... Who the fuck asked you, Harel?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 03:01 AM
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7. The original article appeared in Haaretz, a major Israeli newspaper
And was written by a man who founded the Gush Emunim(fascist West Bank settler)movement.

That's the connection.

Agreed, Harel is a schmuck among schmeckels and he should STFU on this.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 05:44 PM
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8. one problem: the Clintons are definitely not WASPs.
Edited on Sat Aug-07-10 05:44 PM by provis99
Bill is a self-described "Scotch-Irish redneck", while Hillary is from a Welsh family driven out of Britain by the English (ie the WASPS). It would be nice if they got their facts straight before they start insulting people.
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