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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:36 PM
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YouTube video shows Israeli soldier dancing around woman Palestinian prisoner
A VIDEO of an Israeli soldier dancing around a bound and blindfolded female Palestinian prisoner had more than 40,000 viewings hits on YouTube, with the army branding the commando's actions as shameful.

The clip, screened on Monday on private Channel 10 television, shows a soldier gyrating to a rhythmic drumbeat of an Arabic track as the woman, who is wearing a headscarf, huddles against a wall, her hands bound in front of her and her eyes bound with a white cloth.

The soldier, who is wearing sunglasses and grinning broadly, repeatedly brushes up close to the woman who has a Hebrew speech bubble coming out of her mouth reading "Allahu Akbar" - Arabic for "God is greatest."

Crudely captioned "israeli soldier catch arab terrorist (he dance on haer) funny" the clip lasts just over a minute.

The video was slammed by the Palestinian Authority as "deeply offensive to the dignity of women."

"This is a disgusting illustration of the sick mentality of the occupier. This is not an isolated incident," said a strongly-worded statement from the office of Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.

In response, the army condemned the clip and said the military police had opened an investigation into what it described as an "isolated" incident.

"The IDF denounces actions such as those depicted in the videos," it said referring to an unspecified number of video clips.

Exposure of the video came just six weeks after an Israeli soldier sparked widespread outrage by posting pictures of herself smiling and larking around next to blindfolded and handcuffed Palestinian prisoners.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/youtube-video-shows-israeli-soldier-dancing-around-woman-palestinian-prisoner/story-e6frfkyi-1225934614665?from=igoogle+gadget+compact+news_rss#ixzz11Vyo027M

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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:21 PM
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1. It is good the military police are not ignoring it
Seems like a military mentality somehow allows this to occur.

It obviously goes against the army code of conduct - and, by all appearances, they are treating it seriously.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:10 PM
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2. Of course by all appearances,IDF is taking this seriously
at the moment in the current political situation they pretty much have to by all appearances take it seriously. Israel is in the spotlight right now and there are a couple of UN commissions that are taking a look at Israel's actions both on the Mavi Mamara and in Gaza this along with the conviction of 2 IDF soldiers of using a child as a human shield (with sentencing postponed) could go a long way to help Israel's image and by all appearances make Israel seem capable of investigating itself fairly
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:22 PM
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3. They must have seen the US pics from Iraq...
I always wonder where the officers are when this sort of behavior takes place.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:44 PM
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4. well that is a distinct possiblity the US hardly has "clean hands"
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 04:44 PM by azurnoir
but it was this from Haaretz that inspired my comment

"The forum of seven discussed preparations for the delegitimization campaign designed to strip Israel from its right to self defense," sources in the Prime Minister's Office said in a statement.

"During the discussion, the forum heard updates on the upcoming timetable of the UN committee investigating the events of the Gaza flotilla," the statement said. "The ministers did not touch on the topic of Israel-PA peace talks," it added.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-meets-top-ministers-but-no-mention-of-settlement-freeze-extension-1.317357
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:28 PM
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5. Reporting on Youtube videos now?
Obsession being brought to a new level? (Is this Fox News Australia?)
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:32 PM
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6. Why don't you think Israeli abuse of prisoners should be reported on?
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 02:55 PM by Violet_Crumble
And why is it that instead of speaking out against an abuse of women like this one, you instead try to start some ridiculous 'argument' that reporting on abuse that's been put up by the abuser on Youtube is obsessive?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 04:29 PM
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9. Tons of awful crap posted on Youtube
What ever happened to reporting? Journalism?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:12 PM
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10. It decided crimes committed against Muslims don't count, that's what.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 06:12 PM by Donald Ian Rankin
There are, of course, any number of respectable organs of which this is not true, but they're probably outnumbered in terms of circulation in the UK, and certainly massively. overwhelmingly outnumbered in circulation Israel, by ones that do.

Which leaves self-publishing to pick up some of the slack.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:23 PM
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12. What about Muslim journalists?
Don't they cover crimes committed against Muslims?

The internet makes news sources from around the world accessible to a very large number of people in the UK, Israel, and elsewhere.

Certainly you are not limited to getting your news from your local papers anymore.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:27 PM
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13. Yes, but they don't get read in large numbers in the UK.
And no, I'm not limited to getting my news from local papers - I can get it from many other sources too, including YouTube (which, obviously, isn't vetted, but that's only relevant when a story isn't verified elsewhere).
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-10 06:27 AM
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15. Uneven playing field
How many Youtube videos come out of less open countries?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:54 AM
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18. I'm interested to get yr thoughts on the abuse that was reported on...
Do you think it's an example of the culture of cruelty that does exist in the IDF?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:23 AM
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19. I think it happens all the time everywhere in all countries and prisons
I think it's reflective not of any kind of culture of cruelty, but rather of human nature.

If people could sneak videos of prison conditions around the world and put them up on Youtube, I'm sure it would be much of the same or worse.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:33 AM
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20. I'm pretty sure the IDF don't abuse prisonrs in all countries and prisons...
How about focusing on the clip of the abuse in the OP? That's what I'd like to see you comment on.

There is very clearly a problem with the IDF and troops engaging in cruelty towards Palestinians. Surely yr not going to try to deny there isn't a problem there?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:48 AM
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21. Whew - that's good to hear!
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 04:49 AM by oberliner
But I think other military/police forces who do run prisons in other countries do.

In fact, I am fairly confident of that.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:57 AM
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25. I'm glad you've learnt something new!
Are you going to answer the questions I've asked you in this thread? Or comment on the abuse that the OP is about?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 06:01 AM
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27. I was being sarcastic
I am not sure why you thought I was saying that the IDF operates in other countries and prisons. So I responded to your silly statement with a silly one of my own.

My only comment on the OP is that it is ridiculous that YouTube videos are now the source material for news articles.

With respect to your question about the IDF and cruelty, I tried to make my point, but you decided to pretend not to understand what I was saying, so I see no need to repeat myself.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 06:17 AM
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29. So was I
There was nothing silly about my sarcasm, btw. See, I thought we were supposed to be discussing the abuse of the women that the OP was about, not doing a 'well, everyone else does it!' routine...

I think it's a bit ugly that the abuse of a woman isn't seen as worthy of commenting on. I really don't understand that sort of mentality at all. Also, I've already addressed the really ridiculous nonsense about YouTube in a post in this thread that you haven't replied to. Rather than repeat myself, here's a link to it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=334351&mesg_id=334647


btw, I've asked you a few questions in this thread that you haven't replied to, so it's not a matter of you repeating yrself, seeing as how you haven't answered anything you've been asked...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:27 AM
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31. Well I guess we are having fun now
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 07:27 AM by oberliner
And here I thought you felt this was a serious topic - here you are making jokes and sarcastic remarks!

I have responded to all of your questions. I disagree with all of your premises on this topic.

That you and Rupert Murdoch think this is even worthy of being a news story is beyond me.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:36 AM
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32. You haven't answered the questions I asked you...
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 07:36 AM by Violet_Crumble
Shall you be needing me to give you a list of the questions you've not answered?

I now have another one for you. Why don't you consider a story about the abuse of a Palestinian woman to be worthy of being a news story? Many sources seem to be disagreeing with you on that given the coverage it's getting...

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:43 AM
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34. They have all been answered - or "answered" in the lack of a response
As in - don't you believe X or don't you think X - if one doesn't respond, the answer is clear.

Did you know that there are women actually being raped in prisons all around the world on a regular basis?

Every one of those incidents should be a news story. Every one of those incidents should receive coverage.

None of them have been captured and posted on "YouTube" though.

That this, because it was, is a news story, and those because they weren't, aren't is preposterous.

And before you go to the default accusation of lookoverthere, this entire episode cheapens the meaning of "abuse" especially with respect to what is unquestionably going on with absolute regularity and impunity globally.

That this is getting the coverage that it is is precisely what is wrong with our internet-based video-based sensationalism news media. It's only a story if someone happens to catch it on video and post it on YouTube.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:20 AM
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36. You haven't answered any questions you've been asked...
Ignoring questions is rude and lacking in civility. If you want people to understand yr stance on things, then answering questions and explaining clearly what yr opinion is is pretty important. I thought you agreed and was taking you seriously and paying attention to what you said until today, but obviously I got that wrong...

Oberliner, this is the I/P forum. I posted an article about a specific incident. You bet there's going to be a 'Look Over There!' accusation when you try to start talking about things happening elsewhere.

Did you know that there are women actually being raped in prisons all around the world on a regular basis?

Every one of those incidents should be a news story. Every one of those incidents should receive coverage.

None of them have been captured and posted on "YouTube" though.

That this, because it was, is a news story, and those because they weren't, aren't is preposterous.


No-one has ever said that if a rape isn't filmed that it's not newsworthy, so I'm not sure why yr coming up with that stuff.

Maybe you should contact the IDF, Haaretz and other news outlets and chide them all for making the abuse of a Palestinian woman newsworthy!


this entire episode cheapens the meaning of "abuse" especially with respect to what is unquestionably going on with absolute regularity and impunity globally.

It's abuse. It was aimed at humiliating her. It was mistreatment of a woman.

That this is getting the coverage that it is is precisely what is wrong with our internet-based video-based sensationalism news media. It's only a story if someone happens to catch it on video and post it on YouTube.

Yes, because when it comes to Palestinians, unless it's filmed there's people who accuse them of making it up or suggest the Palestinans have committed the crimes themselves to make settlers look bad. As for what you do or don't think deserves media coverage, I'm very glad you don't have any control in what we get to see...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:26 AM
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37. I have gone out of my way to be civil and to attempt to answer all questions you've asked
There is not a single question on this thread that you've asked that remains unanswered. And this is in spite of your pretending not to understand a comment I made and your making a sarcastic (one might say, rude) remark in response.

Yes, this is the I/P forum - but there are still larger questions - especially when looking at the idea of YouTube and its role in what stories get covered and what stories don't.

That you either can't or don't want to see this is very surprising to me.

That anyone wants to make this YouTube video into an international news story is insulting to the true victims of prison abuse - including, I might add, the Palestinian victims of the IDF who are not on tape.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. Self-Delete
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 08:37 AM by TomClash


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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:40 AM
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40. The larger questions just happen to appear . . .
. . . when an Israeli soldier is gyrating against an unwilling Palestinian woman. What a surprise.

There is more truth in that video - real or not - than in most MSM articles on the ME in the US.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:23 AM
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46. A question about YouTube appears when a YouTube video becomes a news story
There is nothing coincidental about that.

If everything was put on video and every video was reported on in the media, we'd certainly see a lot of truth, yes.

But when it is selective - by definition, what we see is warped.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:51 PM
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52. Actually a question about youtube arises when
. . . the video and story show Israel in an unflattering light. You are deflecting the discussion from the incident to the source. But this argument fails once you admit, as you do in an earlier post, that Palestinians are subject to horrific treatment in Israeli prisons.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:06 PM
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53. I disagree
I had the same reaction to the "Macaca" moment that was captured on video which briefly had everyone obsessed as well.

And again there is no deflection going on as anyone is free to discuss the incident to their heart's desire and disregard my concerns about the source.

I am just stating my opinion and responding to those who have challenged it.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:04 PM
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55. But deflection is your m.o.
Whether conscious or not. You often, but not always, sidestep the topic at hand to discuss a tangential issue where you are more politically comfortable.

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:24 PM
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63. I wouldn't say that
I just respond to things that I find interesting or that appear to have gone unnoticed. Or elements of a story that appear to be factually incorrect or taken out of context. Basically, whatever strikes me when I read the article.

If there is nothing controversial in the article or anything I dispute, I rarely see the need to comment. Unless I feel the article is particularly noteworthy, well-written, thoughtful, or the like.

How boring this site would be if it was filled with nothing but "Right on!" type posts.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #63
73. You miss the point
No one is advocating "right on!" posts.

You can write what you want but often your observations appear intended as to recast or deflect the issue to make Israel appear in a more favorable light or its critics in a less favorable light.



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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 09:41 AM
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74. Ok far enough - point taken
Although, I would argue that far from deflecting the issue, my observations have kept this particular post at the top of the line, while other topics that are (in my opinion) more worthy of debate have sunk to the bottom.

Inadvertently, I am bringing more attention to an OP that I find ridiculous, which one would think is the opposite of a deflection.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. Yes, coz that line about me and Rupert Murdoch was ever so civil!!
It was incredibly snarky and uncalled for, as has been quite a few other posts from you tonight.

I'll run through the questions I've asked you, though I notice that you've now changed from saying you didn't answer some, to saying you've answered them all...

1. Why don't you think Israeli abuse of prisoners should be reported on?
And why is it that instead of speaking out against an abuse of women like this one, you instead try to start some ridiculous 'argument' that reporting on abuse that's been put up by the abuser on Youtube is obsessive? - after being asked quite a few times to answer the questions, you've just given a bit of a roundabout answer...

2. There is very clearly a problem with the IDF and troops engaging in cruelty towards Palestinians. Surely yr not going to try to deny there isn't a problem there?

Still no answer to that question

3. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but yr 'argument' appears to be that if someone commits abuse and are so dense they post it on Youtube, then the media should ignore the abuse and if they do, you feel it's more important to attack those reporting on the abuse than commenting on the abuse itself. Does this strange attitude extend to those who post things on Facebook that become newsworthy? Or is it only limited to Youtube and clips of Israeli abuse of Palestinians?

Still unanswered


There's larger questions and then there's Look Over There! which is what you were doing. The fact that many women are victims of rape doesn't mean the way this woman was treated is in any way acceptable.

You don't get to decide what's abuse or to speak on behalf of abused women. You don't get to say this woman isn't a victim. That's just plain disgusting.

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:55 AM
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42. You posted an OP from Rupert Murdoch
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 08:57 AM by oberliner
I expect sensationalist journalism from someone like him, not from someone like you.

1. It should be, and is reported on. See B'Tselem and numerous other sources.

2. I deny that it is a problem particular to the IDF and Palestinians. It is a universal problem that exists to some degree in any prisoner situation.

3. My argument is that it is ridiculous to use YouTube as source material for an article. It creates an uneven playing field and presents a warped sense of reality.

And (as expected) you have brought out the old anti-hasbarist "lookoverthere" trick of accusing anyone of trying to put anything into any kind of context with respect to anything to do with Israel as somehow not making a valid point.

In this case, it is precisely the point.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. No, I didn't post an OP from Rupert Murdoch. Even if I had it doesn't justify the snarkiness...
You are ignoring (purposefully it appears) that the incident has been covered by other sources like the ABC.


Huh? What's anti-hasbarist mean?


Sorry, but you were indulging in Look Over There tactics and for the reasons I've already explained. The abuse of women does not in any way mean that the abuse of this woman should be overlooked or minimised in any way.





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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. The OP is from Newscore which is Rupert Murdoch
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 09:19 AM by oberliner
I am not surprised that ABC and the rest of the crew have covered this non-story. They also had coverage of the O'Keefe ACORN pimp story on those other networks.

Anti-hasbarist is a word I made up to mean the opposite of a hasbarist (which is a word I learned from you and others).

No lookoverthere tactics whatsoever were being employed by me.

The real "look over there" tactic is being used by those who would draw focus to this video and cover it on Fox and ABC and elsewhere while ignoring the much more serious abuse that goes on - including within Israeli prisons.

This is a non-story that only became a story because of salacious video posted on YouTube.

Serious prisoner abuse in Israel, the US, and around the world is a serious problem that must be address and violators should be prosecuted.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. The OP is from news.com.au, not Rupert Murdoch
I've got no idea what the O'Keefe ACORN pimp story is and doubt very much the ABC covered it. Maybe they stuck it in their international news section and I missed it. Are you mistaking the ABC I've posted a link to in this thread with an American ABC?

Can't recall ever using the word 'hasbarist'...

Trying to divert attention somewhere else and in doing so trying to minimise or deflect from the original incident is very much Look Over There!

I'm sure the victim doesn't think what happened to her was a non-story. And as the IDF is taking it seriously, looks like you aren't on the same page as even the IDF...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. No it isn't - it's from Rupert Murdoch's Newscore
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 09:35 AM by oberliner
Look at the byline.

You are right, I mixed up my ABC's.

Also must apologize with respect to hasbarist - it was Richard Silverstein who used the term, not you.

The IDF absolutely should take this situation seriously and deal with it - the fact that they are is precisely why it's not a news story.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. The OP is from news.com.au. That's what I linked to in the OP...
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 07:32 PM by Violet_Crumble
Of course it's a news story. And regarding yr confusion over what ABC I was referring to, here's the link to the article I posted in this thread from the ABC...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/07/3031657.htm?section=justin

fyi, it's an Israeli tv station that picked up the original story, so maybe you should contact them and give them a lecture on journalism?

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
62. "news.com.au" is also owned by Rupert Murdoch
It's part of News Limited.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. I know it is. And it's also the source for the OP n/t
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. No it's not the source for the OP - Newscore is
Look at the byline. Newscore. That's the source. It was reprinted in many of Murdoch's numerous websites, but they all use the same source which is Newscore.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. It is the source for the OP. Look at the url for the OP...
That's the source for the OP. If it wasn't the mods would lock it for not complying with the posting rules of the forum. Feel free to alert on it...

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LTX Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #18
50. The answer you are looking for, of course,
is that this proves that the IDF is principally comprised of sociopathic criminals, with a larger subtext that the majority of non-Arab Israelis condone and encourage sociopathic criminality like that demonstrated in the video.

But what it actually proves is that the IDF, like the US military and other military forces around the world, must deal on occasion with individual criminality amongst their soldiers, and that Israel, like the US and numerous (though certainly not all) other countries around the world, has judicial and investigatory mechanisms to provide remedies and impose punishments in such cases.

The fact that "Ms al-Dababsi says she now plans to sue for damages through the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel," and that "the Israeli army has launched an investigation," and that the acts of this soldier are not condoned in the least by the IDF, the Israeli government, or the Israeli population, and indeed are strongly condemned by each, is, however, the aspect of this story that you have little interest in. Your interest, apparently, is in simply using the pornography of the video to reinforce ugly stereotypes. While I'm sure you disagree, it would be edifying to hear your explaination for your apparent disinterest in the remedial aspects of this story.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:10 PM
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54. Well put
Especially the second paragraph.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:17 PM
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57. Why are you praising a post that was a nasty personal attack? n/t
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:05 PM
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61. If there was a personal attack you should alert on it
They are against the rules in this forum.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:28 PM
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65. I didn't ask you what to do. I asked why you praised a post containing personal attacks on me...
Why would you agree with what they said about me?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:58 PM
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68. What I agree with has nothing to do with you
This is what I agree with:

But what it actually proves is that the IDF, like the US military and other military forces around the world, must deal on occasion with individual criminality amongst their soldiers, and that Israel, like the US and numerous (though certainly not all) other countries around the world, has judicial and investigatory mechanisms to provide remedies and impose punishments in such cases.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:17 PM
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70. It does when it involves personal attacks on me...
You said the post containing the attacks was 'well put' and then stated that it was especially so with the second paragraph.

What that poster said about me was totally untrue. It was most definately not a well-put post at all...
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:17 PM
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56. How about you stop telling me how you think I think?
I'm not sure what's with the blatant hostility, but I think nothing of the sort. Also, I suggest you read my posts instead of accusing me of ignoring something I've commented on several times in this thread and that's the response of the IDF to the abuse.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:28 AM
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72. Yep, that about sums it up. n/t
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issy98 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 10:27 PM
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14. You Tube....... the favorite
news source for serious debaters.

:rofl:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:48 AM
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17. Yr wrong. YouTube isn' the source for the OP. It's news.com.au
Perhaps you could try reading the article I posted to start this thread and comment on the abuse of a woman that the article was about?

btw, welcome to DU! I'm sure yr stay is going to be a long and fruitful one!
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:58 AM
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26. Wrong - the source is Rupert Murdoch's Newscore
The website (news.com.au) just printed the Newscore article (note the byline) about the YouTube video.

The source material for the Newscore story is, of course, the YouTube video which is reposted on the website.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 06:04 AM
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28. The source of the OP is news.com.au, not YouTube...
I've never heard of Newscore...

I take it that you still have nothing to say about the abuse of that woman?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:24 AM
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30. Wrong again
They just reprinted it from the original source which is Newscore.

What is news.com.au anyway but a hosting site for news stories that come from other sources.

No original reporting. Not an actual source.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:42 AM
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33. I'm not wrong. The other poster was definately wrong in saying the source was YouTube...
I'm still at a complete loss as to why you don't think that a soldier posting their abuse of a Palestinian woman on YouTube is newsworthy. Fortunately for those of us who do take the abuse of women seriously, the IDF don't see it the same way as you...

From the OP 'In response, the army condemned the clip and said the military police had opened an investigation into what it described as an "isolated" incident.

"The IDF denounces actions such as those depicted in the videos," it said referring to an unspecified number of video clips.'

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:20 AM
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45. Sorry - but you are
The source of the OP is Newscore.

The source material for the news article is a YouTube video.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:31 AM
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48. Sorry, but I'm not...
The source of my OP is news.com.au and YouTube was not the source for the OP.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:24 AM
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51. Look at the byline
The source is Newscore. The website you linked to just reprinted the Newscore article.

The same exact article can be found verbatim at other sties that used the same Newscore source.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:21 PM
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59. The source of the OP was news.com.au That's what I linked to in the OP...
If you have more issues with it, I suggest you complain to the mods. If I was posting a link to something that wasn't the source of what I posted, they'd close the thread.

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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:25 PM
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64. Also owned by Murdoch
FYI
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:29 PM
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67. I already know that n/t
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:19 PM
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11. It's still around but with Youtube
youtoo can the "journalist" or whatever however your right there is alot of crap and there is some good stuff too
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:16 AM
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16. Not sure what yr problem is, nor why you didn't answer the questions I asked you...
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but yr 'argument' appears to be that if someone commits abuse and are so dense they post it on Youtube, then the media should ignore the abuse and if they do, you feel it's more important to attack those reporting on the abuse than commenting on the abuse itself. Does this strange attitude extend to those who post things on Facebook that become newsworthy? Or is it only limited to Youtube and clips of Israeli abuse of Palestinians? I don't know about you, but for me abuse of women is a very serious issue, and to see someone treating it as though it's a far less important issue than a dislike of YouTube is really a bit on the disturbing side...

You want to know what's happened to journalism? It's not some thing that sits still in time and doesn't develop and move in new directions. YouTube, along with blogs, wikis, Twitter and other social media are powerful tools and are used not only by the media, but by government agencies.

http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/Using_YouTube.html

While no-one would ever suggest that there's not a whole lot of awful crap posted on YouTube, dismissing anything posted on it out of hand is rather silly, imo.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:19 AM
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22. Given the Hebrew "word balloon" by the woman's face, and the approving title
the video was probably posted by an Israeli(most likely another IDF soldier)who enjoyed what he had taped.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:41 PM
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8. Police arrest teenage settler for exposing top Shin Bet agent on YouTube
Israel Police detained a teenage settler on Thursday over suspicions he had uploaded a YouTube video exposing the identity of the head of the Shin Bet's Jewish Division.

The Shin Bet official, known only as A., is the head of the service's Makhlaka Hayehudit ("The Jewish Division"), which is tasked with monitoring the activities of the extreme right wing in the West Bank.

A. resides in a tiny settlement in the West Bank. Military censorship laws do not permit media outlets to publish A.'s full name and place of residence, though this information is common knowledge among wide swaths of the settler population in the territories.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/police-arrest-teenage-settler-for-exposing-top-shin-bet-agent-on-youtube-1.317757

I guess Haaretz is obsessed too?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:21 AM
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23. I hope they do bust the kid.
Obviously, his intent was to expose the Shin Bet official to violent retribution from the berserkers among the settlers.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:45 AM
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24. YouTube strikes again!
I propose closing down the internet for a few months. How will the world go on?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:56 PM
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7. Humiliated Palestinian prisoner plans to sue
A Palestinian female prisoner filmed by Israeli soldiers while she was bound and blindfolded plans to sue for damages for the humiliation she was put through.

A YouTube video which shows an Israeli soldier dancing around the woman has caused a media storm in the Arab world.

Ihsan al-Dababsi, 35, says she saw the video on Middle Eastern television network Al Jazeera.

"I didn't sleep all night because I felt humiliated and frustrated," she told AFP.

"The sound of the soldiers' laughter and the music were ringing in my ears."

Ms al-Dababsi says she was arrested by Israeli soldiers and taken to the Etzion detention centre near Bethlehem.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/10/07/3031657.htm?section=justin
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issy98 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:32 AM
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38. Good for her. That's why we have courts.
I hope she wins.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:44 AM
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35. The dancing IDF officer is a total dick, but I want to know why this story gets more coverage than..
...this one?

Army: U.S. Soldiers Killed Afghan Civilians For Sport, Dismembered Bodies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/18/armyus-soldiers-killed-af_n_722209.html

What's going on here? :shrug:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:34 PM
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60. Another YouTube embarrassment for IDF
Another embarrassment for IDF: A YouTube clip aired by Channel 10 Monday evening shows an IDF soldier belly dancing around a bound Palestinian woman, Yedioth Ahronoth reported Tuesday.

The handcuffed, blindfold woman is leaning on a wall, while a soldier wearing eyeglasses performs belly dancing moves around her, with his comrades cheering him on and videotaping the "show."

The latest video marks yet another embarrassment for the army, about a month and a half after images of former soldier Eden Abergil posing for photographs alongside bound Palestinian detainees provoked local and global outrage.

Following the publication of the images, it turned out that dozens of IDF soldiers have posted similar photographs on the Internet during their military service. The army is now forced to regularly contend with problematic images that tainted the IDF's and Israel's global image.


The IDF's Spokesman's Office issued the following response: "Following your inquiry and a review of the video clips, the Military Prosecutor's Office ordered a Military Police investigation to be launched, and this will be done in any case that raises suspicions of similar conduct in the future."

"The IDF condemns this kind of activity, as shown in the video clips, and has worked and is working to eradicate it via briefings to soldiers, instructions to commanders, military orders, and punishment where necessary. The clips do not depict the norm, but rather, are anomalies," the army said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3964268,00.html

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