A test

[razors edge]

http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/911-all-proof-you-need.html

Before you read this article, conduct this test. Try to purchase some stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere. Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to make a huge investment anonymously. It can't be done.

Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a disaster that was yet to occur. Is it because the trail possibly leads to the CIA?

Then wonder about the collapse of Building 7 on the day of the attacks. Ask yourself why the owner of the building allowed the building to be pulled down (intentionally demolished) hours after the Twin Towers fell. Pulling down a building takes weeks of planning and preparation so that explosives can be safely positioned and wired. Not so in this case. Wonder why.

If you have any doubts at all about the official 9/11 story, then the answers to these questions are all the proof you need that something is very, very wrong!

[AntiFascist]

1. Google Buzzy Krongard...

formerly the Executive Director of the CIA. That's how they get away with it.

[razors edge]

3. zactly. n/t

[Blackhatjack]

2. You Make Pertinent Point --Always Follow The Money ... Always...

...if you really intend to find the cause of a disaster and identify the perpetrators.

Until it is disclosed who profited by the actions they took, we will never get to the real bad guys.
It is the same way with major drug operations. The underlings are often arrested, and serve time. But the financiers who make the money off the drugs are rarely identified and arrested. And until they are, the same bad deeds will continue to be repeated over and over again.

[razors edge]

4. combined with the dog that did not bark...

the SS let * set in the Booker T Elementary 4 miles from an airport, they knew he was safe.

[petgoat]

10. He was nearly in line with the runways.

A plane pulling out of a fake landing could have reached the school in half a minute.

And look at those landmarks--a major e-w thoroughfare, the country club, a railroad,
the ponds, the tennis-racket street pattern of the subdivision....

X marks the spot. W was a sitting duck!

Was the airport closed to traffic while Bush was in the school?

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[Warpy]

6. #7 was not a controlled demolition

However, no one has ever adequately explained the massive fires on so many floors or the fact that the collaps began away from the corner that had been heavily damaged by falling rubble from the two big towers. Likely the fires damaged the support members and caused the uprights to fail, but what started those fires?

Controlled demolition of a building that huge would have taken months of prep work. You can't put explosives next to walls or columns and expect them to do much of anything. You have to drill those columns and place explosives inside them and wire them to blow in sequence..

However, you're correct. The SEC requires reams of paperwork for any transaction, I know because I've had to do some of it. No one can do it anonymously, and any broker who tried to do it "for an anonymous client" would be laughed out of his job.

You're correct to be suspicious, and no one is touching that one with a ten foot pole, not even the courageous Eliot Sptizer.

[Blackthorn]

7. If it wasn't controlled demolition, then why did it look like one?

[Warpy]

8. Read the report, it's in pdf format

They didn't explain the fires on multiple floors. They did explain the collapse that resulted from them.

Again, this is a non story. Following the dirty money trail is where the real conspiracy is.

[Usrename]

11. I think you are wrong about building 7

I don't think that there ever has been, or that there ever will be, any expert that will say building 7 was not a controlled demolition.

The NIST report does not say it wasn't a controlled implosion.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/

<snip>

Draft NIST Report on the World Trade Center Investigation

NOTE: The NIST investigation of the WTC 7 building collapse is not yet complete. The report on the WTC 7 collapse investigation will be released in draft form for public comment and posted on this web site as soon as it is available.

<snip>

[hack89]

24. So what expert says it was CD? nt

[petgoat]

12. Not a controlled demolition, huh? But random structural damage

and random fires did the same thing? So now the whole
CD racket is completely busted. We all know it takes
no skill at all. Just drive an old tank truck into
the lobby of an old building, shoot a few holes in it,
set the diesel on fire,and the whole building comes
down in a nice neat pile.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. First of all CD only takes months of prep work

when you have to pull permits and remove materials from the interior of the building prior to the demolition. Whoever took down WTC 7 didn't have to concern themselves with such things.

Second, WTC7 was a very unusual building built on top of an existing building. Because of this unusual arrangement the 5th - 7th floors housed a system of trusses and crossbeams that held up the building. All you had to do was knock out the bases of the three main trusses in order to take down this particular building.

Third, when Rudy Giuliani and Jerome Hauer decided to install Rudy's OEM Bunker they did some very odd things that raise suspicions about the true purpose of some of their back up energy systems. Especially the components of the system that were installed on the 5th floor, such has the pressurized fuel lines that ran directly under the trusses.

[NoSheep]

9. You're all over it!

Real patriots demand truth.

[LibertyorDeath]

13. I'm so with you I'm mind melding

You have raised some very good questions
there are many many more that need answers.

Some people have a hard time wrapping their minds around the idea that their own government would kill them.

It's a no brainer to me....

[piobair]

14. OK

I took your test and was unable to purchase any investments without giving my name, address and tax ID number. Now, can you tell me what transactions I took part in? The fact that the general public,I.E. you, can't access my trading records actually makes me feel pretty good. The article makes the assumption that 4000 contracts were bought by people with inside knowledge. What proof is there to justify that number? How many of those contracts were bought in conjuction with the purchase of the underlying stock? Many mutual funds and individuals use this strategy as a way to hedge. It is my understanding that the SEC looked at the trading records and found no abnormalities in the number of contracts or the purchasers.

[JackRiddler]

15. Please bother with your research

The put options are an important indicator that foreknowledge of the attacks circulated in advance. Mayo Shattuck and Buzzy Krongard suggest very interesting connections. Even more important is the larger wave of financial speculation based on foreknowledge (look up hard drives 9/11 convar, for one example). Suspicious trades were made around the world. This is much bigger than the put options.

So it's very important that you know what you're talking about. Unfortunately your post reveals you have little idea.

(If you take this truth personally, too bad. You can whine about it to me, or learn how to do your research properly.)

No one placed "anonymous" put options on AA and UA. The US has tried to identify this "person" and in fact has identified at least some of them (it wasn't one person). Those who bought the AAR and UAL options on the CBOE are known to investigators. The SEC did do a report, published in 2004. The 9/11 Commission does claim to know the identities of these investors (and has absolved them by using faulty logic in a ridiculous footnote). Just because they are unknown to you or me, does not mean they are "anonymous."

I hypothesize that the entirety of your research on this subject is that you read this one very poorly informed article and promptly started copying and pasting it to the world. Prove me wrong by showing you know anything on this subject. (Hint: Screaming and whining are no replacement for the research.)

[razors edge]

20. I notice your attention to detail

is unsurpassed, I copied this from a webblogger not in great standing for his controversial opinions but I'm pretty damn sure he, and myself as well, are fully away that NY city is not a state, nor a country, and until you can figure that simple fact out I don't feel the need to educate you.

[JackRiddler]

21. ???

NYC not a country? Golly. If I knew what you were talking about, maybe I'd agree...

(30 secs later...)

Oh! You probably mean my profile. Well, so what? Had to stick something in those boxes, you know.

That is a pathetic answer.

Furthermore, no countries exist except thinking makes it so. The present New York state was once home to multiple nations.

[seatnineb]

23. The insider trading does not make sense.

Basically if you look at it from an 9-11 insider point of view:

What did these "insiders" stand to gain by buying these put options?......I mean...come on....they knew that it would look suspiciouse once they decided to sell them ......which could only have been done on 9/11 or after....once United/American share prices began to fall.....

Unless these "Insiders" were framing someone-else..........namely private "Saudi banking entities".

Saudi banking entities that have now been "unframed/protected" by BushCo.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. People get greedy

Maybe they thought that with all the horror of the attack, no one would notice?

I'm curious where did the story originally come from?

[JackRiddler]

26. It makes sense if...

you think of it as a trail.

Foreknowledge ended up spread among various entities who didn't necessarily know what was coming, but heard it would be a good idea to bet on certain horses. The betters don't have to be in on the plot. Or they could be middle-level people who want a cash sideline, and again don't necessarily know full details. A friend of a friend who's been reliable in the past says: bet this way. And so I bet, without worrying about the why.

The trail has to be followed back. That's always been the only question with the "insider trading": WHERE did the information originate? Long as the "investigators" don't bother with asking that, it will never get any further than "gee, this is suspicious."

[seatnineb]

27. Very good point.

If you take a look at the share price of American Airlines over the course of August 2001:

Opening American Airline Share Price

8/8/01
$34.35

8/13/01
$33.87

8/20/01
$32.45

8/27/01
$33.65

9/4/01
$32.01

9/10/01
$29.95

9/17/01
$16.00

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=AMR&a=08&b=11&c=2000&d=08&e=30&f=2001&g=d

....you will notice that the share price is decreasing....but in relatively small amounts(sometimes by a $1 or $2).......in fact on one occasion.... the American Airline share price actually rises between 20th August and 27th August(from $32.01 to $33.65!!)...........


But from 9/10 to 9/17(when the markets re-opened).......the American Airlines share price has dropped from $29.95 to $16.00....which is a huge decrease (relative to it's decrease during August and early September)....the share price has almost been halved....

Date Open
10-Sep-01 29.95
17-Sep-01 16.00

Whoever convinced/framed these people to purchase these put options.......seemed to know not so much that the American Airlines share price would drop.....but that it would drop by a significant margine!!!!......which would have made selling those same put options all the more profitable.

[moodforaday]

29. They may not have known WHAT was about to happen

Please do not erect strawmen. Put options do not imply full knowledge of what was about to happen.

Imagine that you are a person of much political power, and you owe someone a big favor. (Maybe someone who helped put you where you are now.) Or maybe you owe someone a lot of money. Do you have to pay them out of your own pocket? Maybe you don't want to, or maybe a direct payment would for some reason be illegal or suspicious by itself. So you need another way to repay the debt, and there is a safe way to repay: with the information you have.

Whoever bought the put options may have received a hint. From friends, or more likely from people who owed them favors. A few words would suffice. "Remember those airline shares we discussed? Now would be a good time". They follow the advice, and when 9-11 happens, they decide not to follow through after all, because yes, as you say, it would raise suspicions. So they lie low instead.

Whoever orchestrated 9-11 needed financing. Debts may have been incurred. They wouldn't have applied for bank loans exactly, right? So much of the financing may have come via various personal, under-the-table deals. And hints about put options may have been a way of repaying those debts.

[seatnineb]

30. Someone knew that the price would fall dramaticlly.

The American Airlines share price had been decreasing by very small amounts throughout July and August.

But AFTER 9/11 the share price dropped dramatically.

Someone,somehow knew that this share price would fall dramatically.

And it would take a dramatic event to make it fall dramatically.

[moodforaday]

31. What I'm saying.

Some people knew, and could have used this knowledge to pay a few personal debts by passing hints to others. Therefore those who tried to cash in did not necessarily have any foreknowledge of the attacks.

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[JackRiddler]

17. It's DU policy, but...

DU doesn't allow links to AFP because it is an extremist hate rag full of false stories. (I wouldn't ban links to anything, but I agree that AFP is trash. If you have a problem with the policy, complain to DU not me.)

I can help you otherwise. Szymanski is a fear-mongering "reporter" who usually rips his stuff off and gets all sorts of stuff wrong. In this case, he ripped the story off from me and several other people who investigated this before him (including our own Bryan Sacks).

For the original coverage and links to the mainstream press (Phila Daily News) on the black box story, go here:

http://summeroftruth.org/groundzero.html

Google "Lindorff counterpunch NTSB" for a further surprise - confirmation of the story by an NTSB official!

Thanks.

[AntiFascist]

18. It's hard to keep the DU's censorship policies straight...

I wasn't aware of AFP's reputation, and the story itself looked harmless enough, particularly since it named the firemen involved. Thanks for links, this looks much more legit, and it still names the firemen.

Pulitzer Prize winner William Bunch uses an account from the book to the left, "Behind-the-Scenes: Ground Zero," as one source for the claim that three black boxes from the aircraft that crashed into the World Trade Center were discovered by authorities during the recovery efforts in 2001-2002. This is contrary to the official story. (Philadelphia Daily News, Thursday, 10/28/04 - a longer version was published on his "Campaign Extra" weblog.)

According to Lindorff in his article:

the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

...

"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source <a NTSB official> says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

[whistle]

22. You could if you are a bank or some financial institution

[LARED]

28. Anonymously?

Is there any evidence someone did this anonymously? Or did someone purchase securities with a fake identity?

Two very different scenarios.

[ryanus]

32. Right. There is no such thing as an anon. contract

Buying\selling options are legal contracts. There is no way anyone could do it anonymously. If you could, can you imagine how many people would place their bets and only collect on the winnings?