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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:14 PM
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How the 911 myths were implanted (video)

How the key 9/11 myths were implanted

SNIP

1. MSNBC presented an elaborately detailed story about the lifestyle and anti-US philosophy of Osama bin Laden - while both towers were still burning and long before Bin Laden had been accused by anyone.

2. Fox News featured a "man in the street" eye witness who explained in strangely formal language the science behind why the towers collapsed when most engineers and firemen were utterly baffled and in shock by what had just taken place.

3. CBS featured a Bush administration insider (and not identified as such) as a guest who actively worked to dissuade Dan Rather (and viewers) from speculating that there must have been explosive charges placed in the buildings for them to have collapsed the way they did.

How was it that these stories - based on no fact, no research and no inquirry - appeared in full blown form so quickly on US news networks and then became part of the core myths of what happened on 9/11?

Were these stories prepared in advance?

Watch the video here (10 min)
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/80.html
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:51 PM
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1. Very interesting video n/t
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:08 PM
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2. "based on no fact"
Did Dan believe it was CT? He must have if he were "dissuaded". Does OBL have an anti-US philosophy or not? BTW OBL's anti-US ways were known well before 9-11. And who was this "man in the street"? Does he have a name. And are you saying that MSNBC and FOX were in on Bush's "plan" also.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:12 PM
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5. Are you saying that MSNBC and FOX were in on Bush's "plan" also.
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:14 PM by JohnyCanuck
I don't think it was Bush's plan. I don't think the Shrub could plan his way out of a wet paper bag. However he does make an admirable sock puppet for puppet master Cheney and the rest of the powermad neocon gang. No doubt Shrub had his instructions prior to 911 that something big would be going down and to just play it cool and follow instructions from his Uncle Dick, and for heaven's sake don't do or say anything without clearing it with me (ie. the Dick) first.

And yes I thought the media was at some level in on it from day one when on 9/11 and the days following I saw how they played over and over again at 10 or 15 minute intervals the shots of the planes striking and then the buildings falling - interspersed only with the talking heads jabbering away about Osama and Al Quaida. The whole thing seemed to me instinctively to have more the feel of an intelligence agency type psyop designed to intentionally reinforce as much as possible feelings of fear and terror in the population (the intention being to encourage the populace to turn with unquestioning obedience for safety and protection to Big Daddy government), rather than an "out of the blue" strike by some lucky terrorists guided by Osama from the bat cave in Afghanistan.

Have you heard about Operation Gladio run by NATO with the cooperation of the CIA, MI6 and other Western intelligence agencies during the Cold War? Operation Gladio used underground right-wing, fascist organizations with ties to rogue and not-so rogue groups in Western intelligence agencies to plant bombs and carry out murderous and bloody terror attacks in various European locations which were then publicly blamed on radical leftist and commies. Here is what one Operation Gladio participant said in sworn testimony after the cover was blown off the operation by the Italian government: "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

That to me is what it was all about - forcing the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security. Assuming the Official Conspiracy Theory was true, it was a pretty amazing coincidence that Osama handed the neocons at the opportune time exactly what they wanted - their "New Pearl Harbor" and a dazed and confused US population begging Bush and then neocons to keep them safe from the crazy terrorists (who just happened to be sitting where the pipelines had to go and where all the oil was).

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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:31 PM
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3. Wow
Now "truthers" are suspicious of the fact that not everyone is dumb. Amazing.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:08 PM
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4. "...mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense."
"...mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense."

That's "oddly formal language" explaining "the science behind why the towers collapsed"? Some of us use multisyllabic words in our conversations from time to time.

BTW: Is there like an Ominous Music Clearninghouse that all the truthers shop at? Because it's as if the same person does the music direction for every truther video out there.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:15 PM
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7. The real question is how in the hell did this guy supposedly know that
if it took NIST years to postulate it?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:18 PM
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8. Are you dense?
No, really, are you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:22 PM
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9. Are you dense?

No, really, are you?
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:36 PM
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11. Hmmm, let me check
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:39 PM by Contrite
um, no, don't think so!

And, say, isn't that a "personal attack"?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:42 PM
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12. It didn't take the NIST years to "postulate" it.
It took them years to compile a report sufficient to convince the relevant professional communities of the mechanisms of collapse of the towers.

They were probably capable of making the assertion as early as this guy - he just made it on tv.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:35 AM
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13. If they or anyone (like FEMA) was capable of it then, then why not then?
Why not then and not in 2005? And why is the NIST report STILL being challenged?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:37 AM
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14. The NIST report is not being challenged by anyone credible. n/t
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:32 AM
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15. Who, exactly, is challenging the NIST report?
Aside from any armchair engineers?
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:06 PM
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16. You know as well as I do.
They are easily found on the net and they are talked about here.

There are legions of other websites and forums like this one where people question it all day long.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:12 PM
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17. Anyone who actually knows what they are talking about?
Other than the usual gang of "experts" who really aren't?
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:33 PM
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19. But, you see, that is purely subjective.
Just because you don't think they know what they are talking about doesn't mean they don't.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:53 PM
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20. No, it isn't.
It is abundantly clear when someone is familiar with engineering concepts and when someone is not.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:14 PM
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6. Tommy Thompson hired Jerome Hauer from SAIC on 9-10-2001
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:20 PM by seemslikeadream
Jerome M. Hauer in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=100059&mesg_id=100059




Perhaps Jerome Hauer's Office of Public Health Preparedness
http://www.os.dhhs.gov/news/press/2002pres/20020503a.html
could answer what that particular company is doing to make our nation safer.

Jerome Hauer and Tommy Thompson led the promotion of Cipro taking before the anthrax attacks, in fact Jerome Hauer was hired from SAIC by Tommy Thompson on 9-10-2001.

SAIC has certainly handled it's share of sensitive government work too. And they are also a heavy political contributor.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/resources.aspx?act=contrib


Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
more
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069634 /


Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?
Posted by: VALIS on Aug 25, 2002 - 02:17 AM


Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html

In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/3020501.hym

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.
http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c.html - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.html

more
http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1086&mode=mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


Vinnell Corporation, a subsidiary of Northrop Grumman Corporation, was awarded a $48 million contract to train the nucleus of a new Iraqi Army. Vinnell's subcontracts its work to MPRI, Military Professional Resources Incorporated , SAIC, Science Applications International Corp; Eagle Group International Inc, Omega Training Group ; and Worldwide Language Resources. http://www.vinnell.com /

Science Applications International Corp. has an affinity for this administration and their ambitions in Iraq. Based in San Diego, the company had two recent contracts totaling $166 million to upgrade the Royal Saudi Naval Forces' communications and command systems. http://www.saic.com /

SAIC bills itself as the largest employee-owned research and engineering firm in the nation. SAIC takes in over $5.9 billion, reflecting a growth rate of 2 percent over the previous year's revenues of $5.8 billion. About two thirds came from the U.S. Treasury, mostly from the defense budget.

SAIC was turned down in an $200 million attempt to purchase Aerospace Corp., in 1996.

The top five executives at Science Applications International Corp. of San Diego made between $825,000 and $1.8 million in salaries in 2001, and held more than $1.5 million in stock options.

Gen. Wayne Downing (U.S. Army retired), a SAIC consultant http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40257-2003May10?language=printer served as a lobbyist before the war for the U.S.-backed Iraqi National Congress and its head, Ahmad Chalabi. Downing also served on the board of the PNAC dominated, Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

Ret. Gen. William Owens, another former high-level military officer who sits on the boards of five companies that received millions in defense contracts, last year served as president, chief operating officer and vice chair of SAIC. Owens is also member of the Defense Policy Board which advises defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The Center for Public Integrity has reported that, of the 30 Defense Policy Board members, nine have ties to companies that won more than $76 billion in defense contracts last year.

Former SAIC executives include Retired Admiral Bobby Inman Secretary Melvin Laird, ex-CIA Director Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense WilliamPerry, and former CIA Director John Deutch. A joint venture between SAIC and Bechtel, Bechtel SAIC Company will help manage and operate the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste storage program and support extensive DOE studies of Yucca Mountain's geology, hydrology, and climate. SAIC has more than 19 years of continuous service at Yucca Mountain

In 1987 Congress directed DOE to study Yucca Mountain exclusively. This site is located in remote desert terrain in Nye County, Nevada, about 100 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The next step in the repository's development is for the DOE to submit an application to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to construct the repository.

If the license to construct is granted, the DOE would begin building a repository. The earliest waste could be accepted would be 2010. It would take about 24 years to ship all the waste to the repository. Currently, this material is stored at more than 70 temporary storage facilities in 33 states.

SAIC also runs the "Voice of the New Iraq", the radio station established on 15 April 2003 at Umm Qasr that is funded by the U.S. government.

SAIC was awarded a contract from the GSA Federal Technology Service to deliver telecommunications support services and integrated solutions for federal departments and agencies nationwide. SAIC ordered equipment that was incompatible with existing systems in Iraq. It asked for help from VOA, and was forced to rely on a dubbed network news programs.

SAIC was hired recently to investigate what called Johns Hopkins University called serious security flaws in Diebold's new voting machines. The credibility of that report is flawed from the start by the company's ties to this politically incestuous Bush administration. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/082003Landes/082003landes.html


SAIC's Steve Rockwood boasts: "SAIC can be the window into the government for small businesses."

The Iraqi Development and Reconstruction Council, was set up to operate as an independent, non-political body to advise an Iraqi transitional authority. IDRC would rely on the existing "backbone" of Iraq's trained civil servants to continue basic services but also act as an agent for progress. http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03080602.html

"There is a wealth of human resources in Iraq," said Nisreen Sideek, Minister of Reconstruction and Development from the city of Erbil in a State Dept. release.

The council is made up of about 130 Iraqi volunteers who are now assigned to Iraq's ministries in Baghdad and across the region. They offer technical experience in a wide range of fields from agriculture to health affairs

According to Middle East Reference.org., the senior members of IRDC hold positions at each of 23 Iraqi ministries, where they work closely with US and British officials under Paul Bremer, the head of the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance.

Members of the IRDC are officially employed by SAIC, whose vice-president until 2002 was David Kay, the WMD hunter. Kay was coordinator of SAIC's homeland security and the company’s counterterrorism initiatives.

The Center for Public Integrity reported that the contracts all appear to last for one year and call for all of the work to be directed by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith.
Feith's top deputy at the Pentagon is Christopher "Ryan" Henry. Henry was a corporate vice president for strategic assessment and development at SAIC until October 2002.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:22 PM
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10. More: O'Neill, Hauer , Enron and the Saudis
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:30 PM by Contrite
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=976

Kroll O’Gara Hess + Eisenhardt

Kroll O’ Gara Eisenhardt is one of the oldest security companies in the United States and, some say, responsible for every U.S. President since the end of WW2. What does an upstanding, powerful company like Kroll do in its spare time? Why it trains local forces in Saudi Arabia, of course!

One partner of Kroll, Cable & Wireless provides training in Counter-Terrorism and Urban Warfare in Saudi Arabia. In August 2001, former Kroll employee, Jerome Hauer, arranged a security job in the Twin Towers for FBI Agent John O’Neill. At the time, O’Neill had been investigating ENRON’s business deals with the Taliban and was subsequently pulled from that investigation. Neither Kroll nor Hauer was asked to testify about this coincidence.

http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp

A highly reliable confidential client source who wishes to remain anonymous has promised to send me an FBI copy of a high-level Al Qaida report dating back to the embassy bombings in Africa several years ago. The email report was captured in Africa from the computer file of a senior aid to Osama Bin Laden. My client has obtained this document through lawful means.

The email report, written by Al Qaida's head of military operations, Mohammd Atef, describes Al Qaida's view of ongoing secret pipeline negotiations between the US oil companies and the Taliban to build a pipeline through Afghanistan.

"This Atef report was almost certainly reviewed by the late John O'Neill at the time of the Embassy bombing, shortly after the Al Qaida report was written. At the time, O'Neill was the FBI agent in charge of the Embassy bombing investigation. The shocking pipeline information may explain why O'Neill became fixated about the Saudi-Taliban-Al Qaida relationship for the few remaining years of his life.

After O'Neill's investigations were repeatedly shut down by his superiors, O'Neill allegedly began making discreet inquiries to French intelligence using two reporters as cut-outs. Both reporters were known consultants for French intelligence and are specialists on both the oil industry and terrorism.

It is plausible that the French Government was upset at being shut out of the Caspian Basin deal, and may have been helping O'Neill behind the backs of his superior's in Washington. It does seem that the more that O'Neill learned, the less he was alowed to do with it.

The last straw was Cheney's refusal to follow up on O'Neill's request to pursue the leads in the Phoenix memo in April 2001. After resigning from the FBI in disgust, John O'Neil spoke candidly to several people, including the two French authors, whom he met again in July.

They have now written about the pipeline deal in "The Forbidden Truth." The book, not yet translated into English, quotes O'Neill as saying that his Al Qaida investigations were blocked to protect the Saudis. The Caspian Basin pipeline issue is discussed at length as the motive for the coverup.

I do not think that the French authors have the Atef document or they would have released it in their book. The Atef memo may indeed be a smoking gun, but I need to see the exact text to be sure before I release it to Congress.

This Al Qaida document may be the first hard evidence to break the Enron pipeline cover-up apart. I need your advice and confidential assistance in making a discreet collection of all Afghan pipeline research for a memo to present to Congress.

Here is my investigative hypothesis which needs to be greatly fleshed out and footnoted before I go to Congress. I have presented my thoughts by topic, rather than in chronological order."

(more)
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:29 PM
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18. A few key points of refutation:
O'Neill was not investigating Enron business deals with the Taliban when he quit the FBI. He was one of the senior agents in charge of counter-terrorism investigations, and would have had nothing to do with trade or business enforcement. He also made no secret to those who knew him of the fact that he quit because no one in the administration wanted to listen to him or his warnings about Osama Bin Laden.

The web of people and companies described amounts to a conspiracy-theory version of "six degrees." It relies on the presumption of nefarious intent rather than evidence, as well as what could be generously described as completely unsourced statements.

As for the "Al Qaeda report," given the dubious reliability of everything else, and the outright wrong information, I find it extremely hard to believe that someone like this got any kind of real information of that caliber.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:30 PM
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22. And you know this how?
The two authors of The Forbidden Truth put it in their book.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:47 PM
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23. I assume you mean about O'Neill? Because it's a fact.
Look it up--anywhere other than CT literature. It's a simple fact. Prior to leaving the FBI, he was working on the USS Cole bombing in Yemen. Nothing to do with Afghanistan or corporate dealings.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:12 PM
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21. neocon fascists using the electronic media to spread propaganda and disinformation?
That can't be.



Surely that can't be.
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twylatharp Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 12:32 AM
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24. There is a live 9-11 FOX 9-11 video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA2luI2wUEk&mode=related&search=
and at around 8:40 after the 2nd tower, (keep in mind before this they are acting like it was maybe an accident), then the talking head says "this brings to mind the usual suspects like Osama bin laden...." So we have some guy on Fox telling us who is guilty! that is really it seeped into the public conscious, it's a joke. Which is ridiculous because this was happening live, bin laden was not being mentioned in the media before this, it is obvious that it was scripted, and of course, if it was scripted, then...they knew. Then they put the "terrorism expert", Eric Shawn on and take a look at the terrorism expert, lol:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1234,00.html
Eric Shawn, a New York based senior correspondent for FOX News Channel, joined the network from FOX’s affiliate news service, FOX News Edge.
He has covered a number of breaking news stories for FNC, including the Indian and Pakistani nuclear warfare threats, the death of Princess Diana, the Iraqi standoff with the U.N., Louise Woodward Nanny trial and the Martha Moxley murder investigation.

So, it looks like like youtube won't let you show the video. All of the channels say the same things, "this has to be deliberate..", they all use the same key words and phrases.
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