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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:30 PM
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Just because the BBC botched the reporting on the WTC 7 collapse

there's no need to go overboard and get into conspiracy theories about hidden government agendas or media subversion by black-ops agents. Mainstream news broadcasters and reporters apparently often make significant mistakes when covering a big, high-impact, breaking story. For example, just watch this compilation of news coverage of the Oklahoma City Bombing by the local TV stations and see if you can count how many mistakes were made on-air that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBvX3P8IjE


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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:32 PM
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1. Impossible. All errors are proof of the Conspiracy.
Unless they are proof of the coverup.
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:47 PM
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2. And your point is? n/t
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 08:07 PM
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4. I think I was perfectly clear.
If there was an error, that's proof of the Conspiracy. If there was -not- an error that's proof of the conspiracy.
Unless, it's proof of the coverup.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:20 AM
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11. Not just BBC, also CNN and BBC Channel 24 (UK domestic)
They all had magical premonitions that this building would fall. Then it fell, in six seconds, looking exactly like a controlled demolition.

I SMELL A RAT!

http://noonehastodie.blogspot.com/2007/03/update-bbc-and-cnn-prove-911-was.html

SR
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 08:04 PM
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19. You are right.
Someone knew.
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naboo Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:27 PM
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25. yes, they did
not just about 9-11 but 7-7
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:52 PM
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3. When it comes to domestic US terrorists, every little thing they do is magic. n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 08:22 PM
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5. The biggest mistake in Oklahoma City was that the
building did not fall into its own footprint.
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Devon77 Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 08:26 PM
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6. The second bomb was the third and there were two explosions in reality nt
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:45 PM
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7. Oh that's right.
There are no hidden govt agendas.

"No wiretaps without a warrant".
"I don't know who the leaker is".
"No war plans on my desk".
"We know where the WMD are".
"Saddam is the same as al-Qaeda".
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The Lone Groover Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:27 AM
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8. "no could could have imagined..."
I think MervinFerd would have us believe that conspiracies don't exist.

Well? What's a proven conspiracy before it's proven MervinFerd me old conker?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:54 AM
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10. Also
"conspiracy" is a loaded term and debunkers like to use it in an "either/or" situation to try and catch us out.

E.g.: "either it was a simple mistake or it was a conspiracy". Of course the answer is "well, no - we don't live in a binary world where we only get two choices for everything".

In this instance with the BBC the editor has simply has said that it was a "mistake". He didn't say it was an error of omission or that they were warned the building would come down and jumped to a conclusion.

So, the most likely explanation is that they were given a press release and their "mistake" was not to fact-check it with their eyes.

Ergo, the question is, if this can proven - where did the press release come from? And was that also a mistake (sort of like a pre-written obituary) or something more?
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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:42 AM
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9. You almost had me there
Nice video, recommended to all.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:13 PM
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12. THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS LOGIC...BBC exposed themselves
- On Sept 11, 2001, the BBC 'LIVE' reported that WTC Building #7 had collapsed. The time was 5:05 pm EST. The coverage lasted 16 minutes. The signal, from to NYC to London was lost without explanation(bogus).

- HILARIOUS...The Salomon Building is in the background during the coverage!

- While this live footage was being broadcast, firefighters and police on the ground were alarming pedestrians/people in the vacinity of Bldg 7, to clear the area, the building is being demolished. There are many witnesses and video evidence of first responders warning people to get out of the area.

- The Salomon Building(WTC Bldg #7) came down at 5:25 pm EST.

- The BBC response has been hilarious. It's most explosive story of 9/11 Truth, that's ever been exposed!

======================================

For full coverage of this fiasco...go to this link
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/260207building7.htm

BBC Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc&eurl=

Please go see the video while it's still up on YouTube. The BBC/Powers That Be, have been frantically searching and finding the video on the net...they succeeded in taking it down on Google and Internet Archives...HOWEVER, tens of thousands have already downloaded and saved the footage.

I have it on my hard drive...do you?

- OK
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:49 PM
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13. "It's most explosive story of 9/11 Truth, that's ever been exposed!"
So that Seymour Hersh article about Bush funding groups allied with al-Qaeda didn't grab you, huh?

:eyes:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:21 PM
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14. I think you are missing the point
It might have been clearer if I had posted a :sarcasm: tag at the end of my original post.

Did you watch the youtube video I linked in the original post? If you did you would see the local TV newscasters and reporter on the day of the Murrah building bombing are all making announcements to viewers about other unexploded (and sophisticated) bombs found inside the Murrah building which had to be defused by bomb disposal experts etc. It makes a mockery of either A)the official story that Tim McVeigh was the only bomber who used a crude fertilizer and diesel fuel truck bomb planted outside the building or B) The TV newscasters themselves who couldn't get the story straight on day one and reported wildly erroneous facts on the air to their audience.

I personally do not for a second believe "B" is the correct assumption to make in this case. From my understanding of the reporting in the days following the OKC bombing and the initial reports of multiple bombs in the building, the story suddenly shifted when the official suspect (ie patsy) was produced, Timothy McVeigh, and the damage was all pinned solely on the actions of the McVeigh "lone nut" bomber and a few helpers and any references or follow ups on the earlier reports of multiple bombs inside the building were quietly dropped and just never mentioned again in polite company. To my knowledge there was no explanation ever offered as to how or why so many reporters were mistaken and erroneously reported in the wake of the explosion that there were multiple bombs found inside the building.

The mainstream media work for corporations with a stake in making sure that whatever the news might be, it cannot be allowed to too violently rock the government and corporate boats. Therefore, being basically corporate whores, reporters and mainstream journalists understand they are paid to report the facts as they are directed to report them and not necessarily as an honest and thorough investigation might show them to be. When in an effort to meet corporate/government requirements the news has to be changed in such a sudden, obvious, and (one would think) embarrassing fashion as occurred above, they just bold-facedly change the news and in a very Orwellian fashion simply ignore the contradictions between the old story and the new story knowing their apologists are ever ready to come to their defense by attributing any such glaring contradictions and inconsistences to honest "mistakes".


Cover-up in OKC
by William F. Jasper

SNIP

Almost before the dust had cleared from the explosion, the official government line was that the attack on the Murrah Building had involved only a truck bomb, composed of ANFO (ammonium nitrate and fuel oil) and parked on the street next to the building. From that point on, the government story on the size and composition of the bomb mutated several times to fit the official line. As the Mc Veigh trial was about to start, the Department of Justice issued a report by the Office of the Inspector General that particularly censured the work of Special Agent David Williams of the FBI lab explosives unit, and Williams' supervisor, Thomas Thurman. Williams, the main explosives analyst for the prosecution in this case, had grossly fudged evidence on all of the major points: the size and composition of the truck bomb; the velocity of the explosives; the type of detonator used; the containers that supposedly were used; and the presence of explosive residue on clothing and other articles belonging to Timothy Mc Veigh. The Inspector General's critique found that Williams' forensic report was flawed, unscientific, biased, improper, unjustified, invalid, and appeared "to tailor the opinion to evidence associated with the defendants."

Long before this, however, many genuine experts had already concluded that it would have been physically impossible for the truck bomb alone to have accomplished the massive structural destruction of the heavy concrete, steel-reinforced columns. The evidence pointed overwhelmingly, they insisted, to the detonation of high-explosive contact charges on the columns inside the building. This stellar group of experts includes legendary physicist and defense analyst Sam Cohen, inventor of the neutron bomb; Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, former director of the Air Force Armaments Technology Laboratory; Dr. Frederick Hansen, professor of physics at the University of Oregon, former research scientist with NASA, and former head of earth and astro sciences at the General Motors Defense Research Laboratories; Dr. Ernest B. Paxson, an engineer with over 30 years' experience in civilian and defense-related projects and a published author in many professional journals; and Dr. Robert G. Breene, author, former professor of physics, and formerly a visiting scientist at the Max Planck Institute in Germany.

In addition to the authoritative assessments of these and other experts, there is the equally compelling testimony provided by eyewitnesses; official police, military, and fire department logs; and television video coverage showing that there were additional internal charges within the Murrah Building that failed to detonate and that were later removed by bomb squads. (See, "Proof of Multiple Bombs," in our issue for July 20, 1998.) This matter could have been settled with finality if an independent, technically competent analysis of the crime scene and the forensic evidence -- especially from the concrete columns -- had been allowed. But, incredibly, one month after the bombing, before such an evaluation could be made, the crime scene and evidence were destroyed, as the building was imploded by commercial demolition blasters. Then the massive evidence of the crime scene was hauled away and buried. This happened at the very time that heated arguments in the O.J. Simpson trial, "the trial of the century," centered on charges that the Los Angeles Police Department had failed to preserve the crime scene and other important evidence in that case. It is elementary doctrine and procedure to preserve the crime scene and preserve evidence; why in this, of all cases, was there such a rush to destroy the evidence?

http://911review.org/Wiki/CoverUpInOkc.shtml

See also http://www.911review.org/Wiki/OkcBombing.shtml
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:43 AM
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15. ATTENTION - all lurkers and fence sitters
Have you noticed the dearth of "official conspiracy theorist" supporters on this thread to support, come hell or high water, the official government conspiracy theory re. the Oklahoma City bombing and the media's reporting of that event? In this case even the official conspiracy theory supporters don't have brass balls big enough to come on the thread and tell you to believe that the initial, multiple reports (as seen in the Youtube video linked in the origianl post) of sophisticated bombs found INSIDE the Murrah building in Oklahoma City were just innocent "mistakes" by journalists and reporters on the day of the event.

The manner in which the media first reports on the presence of these other bombs in the Murrah building and then, when the facts as reported contradict the government's case, just drop any further mention of them and never produce for their viewers any investigation or follow up about these bombs illustrates perfectly that we are already living in a Winston Smith/George Orwell world where the news is changed as necessary to fit the requirements of the state.

Draw your own conclusions therefore how much trust we can afford to place in official government and media accounts of other "terrorist" acts. Remember that to the murdering, conscienceless bastards that plan and carry out these acts of terror, you are just as expendable as those who died in the Murrah building and your life is worth not one cent more than the lives of those forced to jump to their deaths from the burning WTC towers.

'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." Operation Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra as reported at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 12:24 PM
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16. Did you forget a sarcasm tag again? n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:06 PM
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17. Nope not this time. I meant it exactly as posted. n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:42 PM
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18. A building had just been blown up

It is perfectly reasonable for any unidentified or suspicious looking object in the wreckage to be examined and checked out by the bomb disposal squad.

Why does that require that the OKC bomb squad crew to be in on the plan.

I gather you believe they are complicit in murder. Do I have that right?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 12:47 AM
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:33 AM
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22. You realized that "Joe Harp"
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 08:36 AM by jberryhill
is the name of a prison in Oklahoma, yes?

a friend "Mike"... I left in a private plane owned by "a friend of mine"

This guy received a call after 9AM, hooked up with his friend who had a plane, rented a car, drove downtown, and was on the scene at 11:30 AM.

Where did he start?

http://extras.denverpost.com/bomb/his22.htm

10:28 a.m. - Rescuers find what they think is a second bomb. All rescuers are ordered to leave the building, and police clear a four-block area around the building. Police take this opportunity to establish a firm perimeter so they can allow only qualified rescuers back in the building.


"What they think" is a second bomb...
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 05:48 AM
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21. 'mistakes'? - more likely the coverstory / damage control
wasn't in full swing yet.
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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:45 PM
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23. Media Foreknowledge Collapse 2nd Tower
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 03:19 PM by Fainter
Sorry, I am new and I know this is irregular to post this information here. JohnyCanuck I apologize for hijacking your thread. I don't know how to originate another thread, perhaps newbies aren't afforded this option.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=60128#60128

My computer skills are very limited, but I believe the above is the address to a message which appeared this morning 10:08 Fri. March 09 2007 on the messageboard of nineeleven.co.uk. The poster's message contains a live link to a YouTube video which apparently is a recording of British TV news coverage of the unfolding events of 9/11. The broadcaster's logo appears in the upper lefthand corner of the screen, the numeral 5 inside a circle (BBC5?). The camera is trained on the second tower, the first tower has already collapsed. Apart from a witness interview regarding one of the plane strikes, the camera's eye never wavers from the second tower (the news anchors are never on screen, we only hear them talking). On edit I must add that this video on YouTube is comprised of at least two distinct snippets of what I believe to be a single broadcast.

The newpersons' discussion mentions the previous collapse of the first tower. They then state that they are receiving live updates from some kind of official WTC website. The WTC website informs them that debris is falling off the perimeter walls (the camera dutifully focuses in on debris falling off the building) and that because the perimeter walls are so integral to the structural soundness of the tower, the building is in danger of collapsing. In fact, the newspeople state that it is in the "process of collapsing". Shortly after this discussion, the building does in fact collapse. They go on to report, in a similarly blase tone, a carbomb going off outside the State Department, and another bomb going off inside a Washington (presumably D.C.) mall. One or both additional reports are variously attributed to the Associated Press and a senior government official.

The messageboard provides a live link to the YouTube video, but I don't know how to find it on YouTube's site. A cursory search turned up nothing. If the YouTube video is authentic, once again, how is it that we find the media reporting the collapses ahead of time and knowing the putative reasons for the occasion of events that HAVE NOT YET COME TO PASS? I am in desperate fear that YouTube will suppress this video before it gains traction, so please save it to your computers before it is drowned in the memory hole. JohnyCanuck, once again I apologize for this intrusion, and mods, please let this through.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:25 PM
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24. good find Fainter...
welcome to the dungeon. :hi:
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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 05:04 PM
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26. Thnx WildBill Can U Start A New Thread? n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 05:25 PM
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27. Yes.
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 05:26 PM by wildbilln864
I'll copy part of your earlier post and start one for you. Title: "Per Fainter"
:hi:
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Fainter Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 05:47 PM
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28. Much Obliged WildBill, Thanks! n/t
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