AA 77 - HERE IT IS, right on the tape from the security camera

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

Looking carefully you CAN SEE AA77. The tape clearly shows a missile coming in to BLOW UP 77. That is why there are missing frames and what we all believed was a doctored tape. The object coming in the frame that makes us question is the missile.
Look at this mock-up of our mistaken plane: (which is actually the missile)


But, look diligently and focus - AA77's logo can be seen coming in at the angle of all the reporting: (see this)


I am not versed on parts of airliners/planes so here is a photo of the logo on a 757 and the part seen in the tape:


Why the confiscation of tapes and the removing of frames?

Answer #1
Surviving family members.

Answer #2
PENTBOM

Answer #3
Public outcry for an investigation.

Answer #4
Disinformation

Answer #5
They blew up the plane.

Answer #6
MIHOP/LIHOP

What if?

What if the family members saw a missile blow up AA77?
What if they didn't blow up AA77?

If AA77 were allowed to actually hit the reinforced wall of the Pentagon, as so many here have rightly observed, it could never have penetrated.
There would be bodies, pieces of bodies, and a sight unimaginable all on global television.
The mess would have been layered all over DC. Echoes of Flight 93.
The trauma on a global scale would be of a magnitude unrecoverable for hundreds of thousands.

We will never know what really happened - much of it is Classified - and the 911 Commission is probably the last public word.

Some of the criminals in this attack are dead.
Hopefully the others will face justice.


For very personal reasons I'd like to know what really happened on UA93.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

Flight 93 may have gotten as far west as Ohio before turning around. The Cleveland mayor's office told The Associated Press that an airplane in distress had passed through Cleveland-area airspace before being handed off to Toledo, although it was not clear that the plane was Flight 93.

[SDuderstadt]

1. This is the most incoherent post I have ever read

In fact, I've read it three times and still cannot decipher what you're saying. The fact that some of the pictures merely show up as placeholders (no image) does not help.

As far as your claim that, had AA77 struck the reinforced wall of the Pentagon, "(t)he mess would have been layered all over DC", do you have any proof of that? Why would we expect that?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

2. Well that figures

why do you think my post would have "pictures" that you and probably nobody else can see? They appear fine on my end.

I can think of several possible answers/reasons.

It's an inside job is the most accurate reason. It is not unusual for this govt. to censor me OR make me appear to be an idiot.

As for the rest of your post, no comment.

[SDuderstadt]

3. Here's the best possible reason

IT'S A FREAKING TECHNICAL PROBLEM! I had the same thing happen to me. I didn't, for a moment, believe that the government is monitoring my keystrokes and "censoring" me. My hopes that you would make this thread make more sense have been smashed to pieces.

"It's an inside job". Please.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

4. FYI

I didn't, for a moment, believe that the government is monitoring my keystrokes and "censoring" me.

READ ONE OR BOTH OF THESE THREADS they are identical.
and.....
since you seen to be nothing but someone who insults others intelligence this "is" my last communication to you.

Have a great day.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=484964

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=172&topic_id=22722

[wildbilln864]

5. I see you've figured that one out.

Welcome to the dungeon SC. :hi:

[SidDithers]

6. It's because you're hotlinking the images to 911research...

What is it with truthers and stealing bandwidth? Is it beyond your abilities to open a photobucket account?

Sid

[LARED]

7. It is not unusual for this govt. to censor me OR make me appear to be an idiot.

Does this happen on a regular basis? In what ways do they appear to make you an idiot? What sort of things do they do?

[Flatulo]

8. One possibility...

> OR make me appear to be an idiot

I don't think the government is doing this to you.

[Realityhack]

35. +1 n/t

[Make7]

17. Not unusual? ( n/t )

[jberryhill]

20. Usually it is the result of you seeing the images from your browser cache

...when the original site has disabled inlining the images.

When that happens, everything looks fine on your end, and nobody else can see it.

That's the normal explanation for "looks fine to me".

OTOH, it may be the government trying to make you look like an idiot, if that's not unusual for you.

[jberryhill]

21. Can I help? I think she's got a new idea....

"The tape clearly shows a missile coming in to BLOW UP 77"

I thought it was a "missile hit the pentagon" argument. But this appears to be a new hybrid. There was a flight 77, and a missile hit THAT.

Kind of a "grand unification" missile theory, I guess.

But, perhaps she'll explain more. I don't want to make her look like an idiot.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Too late.....n/t

[jberryhill]

24. Damn

[TZ]

9. So what did my relative see flying overhead moments before

The PLANE hit the Pentagon. He's a phD. I think he can tell the difference between a low flying airplane and a fucking missile. I had multiple friends and family in DC that day.
. Including a friend ACCROSS THE STREET from the Pentagon. You OBVIOUSLY weren't in DC that day. Who says there weren't body parts scattered everywhere, though given the fact of extreme heat and flames you were lucky to find any recognizable bodies at all.
Jeezus fucking Christ. Many of the rescuers had to go to therapy afterwords cause of the trauma. This is why I really hate this MIHOP shit. Come to DC sometime and spout that shit in people's faces. I doubt you will get a warm reception.

[Twist_U_Up]

10. Reality is a scary thing.

Perhaps you should join the reality based crowd

[LARED]

11. Only to paranoid woo swillers - nt

[Sweet Pea]

15. What video footage?

Citgo? Sheraton? Days Inn? Chrystal City Restaurant?

[Twist_U_Up]

16. This Video Footage

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=150164&mesg_id=195011

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

12. Nowhere did I state

there wasn't an airliner. Nowhere did I state AA77 and body parts were Not at the Pentagon. In fact, I have stated what most on this forum will not - American Airlines Flight 77 is clearly seen on the security camera tape. Additionally, I imagine that if on 9/11 you were close to the Pentagon, saw a 757 heading staight for it, knowing that both towers at the WTC had been struck by planes and were likely under a sort of trauma from that...you probably would not notice a missile several hundred yards from the plane.

What I've also stated is that the image coming into the tape on the right hand side that most people believe is a doctored image to give the illusion of flight77 is actually a missile. Look at the security tape carefully and the tail of the plane with the logo AA is visible coming in at the angle reported. Again look carefully and you will see a 5 point star on the image coming into the tape swiftly on the right hand side. American Airlines does not have, in any place on it's airliners a star - a five point star!
What does have 5 point stars? Some fighter jets and some missiles.

For those of you with AOL, do this - find a still image or even the streaming image of the "blast" (that's their wording not mine) at the Pentagon. Email it to yourself. Open the email, click on the right hand side of your mouse, edit picture - enlarge it to 200 or more if necessary and the star is very clearly there.

Here is a link to some missiles:

http://missile.index.ne.jp/en/

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/index.html

Here is a link where you might find some photos or links to find some photos if you're Google illiterate:

9-11 Attack on America
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm

By The Way turtlensue, I do not post in this forum normally. Do a search of my posts and you will see that. I have occasionally visited here and read. I am not what is commonly referred to as "a truther." I do not need to come here, I have my own independent thoughts/ideas/conspiracy theories regarding 9/11.

[jberryhill]

22. "I do not post in this forum normally"

That's okay. Few people post in this forum normally.

[LARED]

25. Few people post in this forum normally.

:rofl::rofl: Funny

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

13. found this

exactly what I'm saying. Clearly the image on the right is not the plane.

[Bolo Boffin]

18. That's too long for the plane.

The plane is coming in at an angle. You've got the tail right, but the nose barely gets beyond that camera box in the foreground.

A better rendition of what you're seeing is here:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

[dlaliberte]

26. Solid modeling done well

That model of the pentagon hit does appear to be close to what little we could see. But we shouldn't be satisfied with it because there is so little real video we can see. It could have been another plane with similar dimensions. Anything smaller than the AA77 plane would also be hidden by that camera box, and the tail sticking up is slightly different, slightly smaller in the real video. The real video (5 frames) is proof enough that it appears something with a tail and maybe a damaged engine hit the pentagon, but we don't know it was AA77.

The broken light posts along route indicate that something about the same size as the AA77 aircraft took that route. Evidence of the light posts themselves is probably not available, right? I mean, there should be some paint chips from the plane wings on the light posts, right?

Well, we know at least one more thing. The fact that they have hidden so much and given us so little is proof that they have something to hide. Something big. Nothing else makes sense.

[jberryhill]

28. I dunno if the wings are painted, but....

The chunk taken out of the retaining wall, the generator hit, and the cable spool miss, all combine to confine the geometry of whatever plane you want to substitute there.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. The light posts fallen, the plane debris inside

The people who help recover it (including a stewardess who had worked many times on that very airplane), the remains of Flight 77's passengers from the debris, the FDR of Flight 77 recovered from the debris, the flight path of Flight 77 shown from takeoff to crashing in that FDR, the flight path of 77 shown in primary radar data from takeoff to crashing, the eyewitnesses who saw the plane...

but yeah, there's still questions about what hit the Pentagon. :eyes:

It's just amazing, isn't it, jberryhill?

[jberryhill]

30. I'll bet all of those so-called "passengers" had Hawaiian birth certificates /nt

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

14. Sees Clearly

[JenniferB]

19. .

Yeah

[wildbilln864]

27. welcome to the DUngeon. nt

:hi:

[jberryhill]

31. There would be bodies, pieces of bodies, and a sight unimaginable all on global television.

That's why pictures like this weren't shown on TV:





But because they weren't shown on TV, morbid jerks continue to assert they weren't there.

[anigbrowl]

32. The 'all cameras are optically perfect, therefore...' argument strikes again

If, as you mention elsewhere in the thread, you zoom on the image by a factor 200, whether you see a star or not is entirely up to your own brain. At that level of zoom the digital compression artifacts dominate all else. As with 99% of other theories based off the pentagon surveillance camera, no attempt has even been made to identify the make and model of the camera and recorder. Instead we're supposed to imagine that all security cameras actually record broadcast-quality imagery at high frame rates.

[Name removed]

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[Make7]

34. Well, sometimes the math doesn't work because underlying assumptions are incorrect.

bagrman wrote:

The math does not work. Somewhere there was a post that did the math of the time and distance and whatever hit the building was doing mach 1, couldn't be a plane.

Not sure if you meant this one:

    Flight 77's speed on impact - Greater than 600mph?

... but using the wrong video frame rate will result in an incorrect speed.

- Make7