Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11...

[SidDithers]

Lets just get that out there on the permanent record.

Sid

[LARED]

1. I agree - nt

[HamdenRice]

3. But, but, but, but, but ...

that would mean the Bush administration lied, and we all know it's impossible for the gobment to lie!

That means there was a conspiracy to tell a lie. There have never ever been secret criminal conspiracies!!!

How many people had to keep this secret???? Why hasn't anyone in the Bush administration come forward to spill the real story???

This is just batshit crazy conspiracy theory bullshit!

[hack89]

6. Except there is real evidence to prove they lied

ie - six years of looking in Iraq. So it we do know that Bush is a lier (not that it takes that much proof.)

[HamdenRice]

8. But, but, but, but, but ...

the "evidence" says they lied, and because no one in government ever lies, the so called evidence must be wrong!

Don't you remember the alleged Canadian police agent provocateur at that labor riot? Even after the police admitted wrongdoing, the OCTabots insisted that the officer had to have done nothing wrong because police never ever do anything wrong and gobment never lies.

OCTabot EEG ^-------^-----^----------------------------------------------...

[hack89]

17. I guess if you have a flexible definition of evidence

your argument makes a little sense.

I don't really understand your point - everyone here thinks that Bush is a liar. I have personally said many times that Bush should be impeached. Just because we disagree with you does not make us Bush or government supports.

[HamdenRice]

19. "Bush is a liar" -- How DARE you?!?!?!?!

Bush may be stupid and incompetent, but he doesn't have any bad intentions so he definitely cannot be a liar!

Besides he's in the government and we all know the gobment never, ever lies about anything!

Or are the OCTabots changing their opinion about what Bush is capable of?

[hack89]

21. We know that Bush lies

and we know that the 911 commission was a flawed investigation. I personally believe that the administration is covering up impeachable crimes of negligence prior to 911. I am sure we have a lot in common in that regard and you will never hear most of us defending the government on it. It is when the truth movement veers into science and engineering - areas where some here do have the education and background to make independent judgments - that problems arise. The arguments for CD, thermate, holographs, global hawks, mini nuke, space energy beams are fundamentally anti-science - it offends many of us that the 911 truth movement is so dependent of the scientific ignorance of so many people. When a fundamental part of your argument is that tens of thousands of American engineers and scientist are either "in on it" or are "too scared to tell the truth" then I think you need to rethink your ideas.

[HamdenRice]

22. So do or do you not believe

that Bush talks directly to Jesus? Because that is the OCTabot position.

No more obfuscation! Just answer the question!

:rofl:

[hack89]

23. You are a very binary person, aren't you?

Not many shades of grey in your life I take it?

Why are you going out of your way to make yourself irrelevant to the discussion? You have shown the ability to write cogent and rational posts - why the descent into grade school antics?

[HamdenRice]

24. Answer the question

Do you believe Bush talks to Jesus or don't you. It's not hard to answer. Before we get "serious" it is incumbent on you to answer the question.

As for the tone of this thread, perhaps I should use a sarcasm smilie for the impenetrably dense. Why would I have a serious discussion with someone incapable of serious discussion?

The point is, I am using OCTabot logic on an OCTabot, and I don't understand why you don't seem to think that what is good for one set of arguments isn't good for the other.

[SidDithers]

25. Bush thinks he talks to Jesus...

but in reality, he doesn't.

Sid

[HamdenRice]

26. That's not what some OCTers say -- they say he actually does

So you have to embrace that view or disavow it. No weaseling out for you Sid.

[SDuderstadt]

27. This is a classic Logical fallacy known as...

a false dilemma. It assumes Sid has only two choices...embrace the view or disavow it, when in reality, he doesn't have to do either of them.

This is really silly and is the primary reason why critical thinkers look askance at the so-called "truth movement".

[HamdenRice]

29. Bingo! You're halfway there!

But you seem to have this crippling cognitive road block that prevents you from fully grasping the implications of your own statement. Here's a little help:

If it is a logical fallacy to argue that everyone who believes the official conspiracy theory also believes Bush talks to Jesus, then it is also a logical fallacy to argue _________________________________ (fill in the blank).

Come on, you can do it. Try hard! Think!

[SidDithers]

28. Oh, it's the "some people say" argument...

do you work for Fox News?

Sid

[SidDithers]

11. "gobment"s lie all the time...

I'm surprised you don't know that, Hamden.

Sid

[HamdenRice]

12. I should have used the sarcasm smilie

I was imitating you guys, of course. Didn't you know that?

So Sid, will you go on record and say that government officials do lie and that criminal conspiracies have existed and can exist?

Are you saying you believe that Watergate and Iran Contra actually happened?

Think carefully before you answer, because if you answer yes, you may be kicked out of the OCTabot Amazin' Randi magicians & phychic spoon benders' tree house!

[SidDithers]

13. Yes to Watergate. Yes to Iran Contra...

Now, will you stand up and say that DU'ers promoting 9/11 controlled demolition and no-plane theories are completely and totally wrong?

Sid

[HamdenRice]

15. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=192367&mesg_id=192746

[SidDithers]

16. So, you personally don't believe no-plane theories...

but you won't go so far as to rebut the DU'ers promoting those theories in this forum.

What about controlled demolition?

Sid

[HamdenRice]

20. Re-read the linked post carefully. nt

[HamdenRice]

14. delete - wrong place

[jberryhill]

2. Only a complete idiot would think he did

Sid, please post a link to any such nonsense posted here at DU.

[SidDithers]

9. That's the point. There is no such nonsense posted here at DU...

by the "OCT" crowd. Posts about no-plane theories, however, are quite common from truthers.

By truther logic, "OCTers" not responding to phantom posts is equivalent to truthers not responding to real ones.

'Course, nothing about truther logic should surprise me anymore.

Sid

[Bolo Boffin]

4. Of course he didn't.

Let us hear no more of this lunatic statement here at DU.

[Make7]

5. No one will believe you without a link to a YouTube video...

... that relies on a questionable source.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM

- Make7

[SidDithers]

10. I don't believe that video...

'cause it doesn't have a funky soundtrack, like the best truther videos do.

Sid

[Twist_U_Up]

7. Fancy Dat.....

Neither did that guy whose CIA name is Tim Osman.
"Frankly I dont spend that much time on him"

[Twist_U_Up]

18. I realize Iraq had nothing to do with 911

[Flatulo]

31. Bush announces Iraq exit strategy

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_announces_iraq_exit_strategy

[defendandprotect]

30. Maybe you want to e-mail that to Cheney . . . he's still working that lever ---

[number6]

32. didn't Saddam

fly one of the Planes, the one that hit the Pentagon,
his belt buckle punched the hole thru the inner wall.

Just ask Dick Cheney

hey, I just wanted to be on other side once ...:evilgrin: