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9/11: THE BASIC QUESTIONS
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
3. Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
5. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
7. Where are the flight recorders?
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
15. Why was no plane seen at the Pentagon?
16. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?
17. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?
18. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?
19. When was the decision made to send the FEMA to New York?
20. Why did FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney tell Dan Rather he was in New York on Sept. 10?
21. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington ?
22. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
23. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?
24. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center?
25. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th?
26. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?
27. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appeared on the passenger lists?
28. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles?
29. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed?
30. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?
31. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?
32. Which hijacker's passport was found in the WTC rubble? Who found it and what time?
33. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights?
34. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights?
35. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers?

MOHAMMED ATTA
36. Did the Florida police provide information that Atta was searched because of 1)an expired Visa, 2) driving a car without a license, 3) because of an incident at Miami Airport?
37. Why did Atta leave his bag at the airport and the employees didn't put it on board?
38. Who found his bag? How can we be sure it it was his bag?
39. Why did Atta place a video "how to fly planes", a uniform and his last will into his bag, knowing that he would commit suicide?
40. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental car?
41. When did Atta train on a flight simulator?
42. Did Atta leave the US while in training and then return?
43. Why did Atta decide to study at Opa Locka, a famous hub of 6 Navy training bases and includes government partners like U.S. Coast Guard Air Station, Police (Miami-Dade) Aviation Unit?
44. Why was Atta allowed to study since he was stopped by the police for driving without a license and also for violating his visa?

THE BLACK BOXES AND CRASH VIDEO
45. Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ?
46. Why didn't the FBI release the air traffic controller's protocols?
47. Why did the FBI not release the Flight Data Recorder info?
48. Who video-recorded the first plane hitting the tower? Why did he disappear from the media?

THE HIJACKERS
49. How did the FBI receive a tip from a passenger who boarded a different plane and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation with two ME men at the Logan airport in Boston?
50. Who tipped the FBI to storm the Westin Hotel in Boston on September 12th?
51. Where did the photos of all 19 hijackers come from?
52. How were all hijackers identified just 2 days after the attack?
53. Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released?
54. Why do none of the names appear on the passenger lists UA and AA gave to CNN?
55. How could the hijackers disable the defense systems?
56. Why did the FBI ignore Bin Laden's family, who left the United States without further investigation
57. What about the supposed hijackers who are still alive?
58. Was there a reason to change the list of the original 19 hijackers?
59. What happened to Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who have been in jail since
September 2001, because of possession of box cutters on a train?Who gave the tip to arrest them?
60. Why did it take 4 months before Ramsi Binalschibhs name was mentioned, since he was a good friend of Mohammad Atta and lived in his apartment in Hamburg?
61. Why did it take 4 months until December 11 to charge Zacarias Moussaoui for the 9/11 attacks when his case was known worldwide for months, but not mentioned in the American media?
62. Whatever happened with Lotfi Raissi, who was arrested in UK for teaching the terrorist pilots?
63. What is the current status of the investigation of Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export-Company in Hamburg and Al Taqwa Management Organisation in Lugano?
64. Why was Richard Reid able to enter the Paris airport twice and who paid for his hotel?
65. Who hired Zacarias Masspoui to learn how to fly passenger jets in the United States?
66. Why did the FBI or CIA fail to interrogate him between August and December 2001?

BIN LADEN
67. Did the CIA monitor Bin Laden in 1998 with the help of 15 Afghan agents, paid $1,000/ month?
68. Where are these agents? Was Johnny "Mike" Spann one? Was John Walker Lindh one?
69. Is an Afghan agent a member of the ISI? Is an Afghan agent working for Bin Laden?
70. When was the first time Tenet mentioned the Al-Quaeda group to any member of the Senate?
71. Why did the Pentagon release a new video version or translation of the Bin Laden Home video?
72. Why it was released only 8 hours after translation by the German magazine MONITOR on December ?
73. Why were the four translators prior US-Government workers?
74. When was the Bin Laden Home Video found and who found it?
75. Who found the video if Northern Alliance and US troops had not yet arrived in Kandahar or Jahalabad?
76. Does the timestamp on the Bin Laden video indicate that it was found two weeks after it was produced?
77. Why was the public not informed who found the video and when?
78. Why according to MONITOR magazine, were the most controversial statements translated incorrectly?
79. Why was the video released?
80. Who gave the final decision to release it?
81. Why is the Bin Laden video of June 2001 in which he praised the attack, available on the Internet?
82. What about Bin Laden's statements on Al-Jazeera in June 2001 about the bombing of USS Cole, which are similar to the statements on the November 2001 home video?
83. Why did Bin Laden state in Umman Magazine in Sept. 2001, that he was not involved in the WTC?
84. Is Bin Laden still on the payroll of the CIA or ISI?
85. Did the Bin Laden Group Inc. help build ToraBora with the CIA?
86. What was the purpose of the meeting with General Pervez Musharraf in May 2001?
87. Why was a statement released that Al-Khalifa bin Laden, who is not the mother of Bin Laden, had a telephone call with Bin Laden on September 9, rather than Alia Ghanem, his mother? Why did Alia Ghanem say she did not believe he planned the attack?


ANTHRAX AND MICROBIOLOGIST DEATHS
100. What happened on September 18th, when an employee of Batelle Memorial Institute was involved in a so-called anthrax hoax on that day? Was he arrested?
101. Why did the investigation of that case begin in December 2001?
102. What was in the memo of Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a public health consumer advocate and author of "Death in the Air" on October 1, 2001, almost two weeks before the first anthrax letter was sent from Trenton to the American media building in Boca Raton?
103.What about his letter of Nov. 13 in which he claimed that BAYER is behind the anthrax infections?
104. Did US BioDefense laboratories send the anthrax-laced letters to get a new budget for research?
105. What about the statement of former UN-weapons inspector of Iraq, Richard Spertzel, who told ABC, "...he knows only five scientists in the USA who would be in the situation to produce such a fine, highly developed spore material"?
106. Why did it take 48 hours to inform Bob Stevens that he had anthrax?
107. Why were envelopes never found near Bob Stevens, Amelie Lundgren and Mia Nguyen?
108. How come Microsoft got a hoax anthrax letter from Malaysia on the same day that President Bush said Malaysia might be one of the next targets of the United States?
109. Why did the FBI never investigate the case Don Wiley, a Bioscientist who disappeared 11/13/01?
110. Why did the FBI begin to investigate after his body was found on December 22, 300 miles away?
Was there an investigation at the military hydro plant where workers found him?
Why did the media write different versions about how, when and where he was found?
Why did the police report change 2 months later from suicide to an accident?
111. What was the goal of Bioport in 1997?
112.Did development of anti-anthrax vaccines begin in 1998?
113.When did Bioport decide to produce anthrax vaccines?
114. Was it before or after Sept. 1998 that Admiral Crowe was put in charge of investigations of the August 7, 1998 bombings of Embassy Nairobi and Embassy Dar Es Salaam?
115. Did the schedule for developing anti-anthrax vaccines begin starting in 1998?
116. When did the US Government ask Bayer for help in developing a vaccine?
117. When did Bayer start sending the vaccines to the U.S.?
118. When did Bayer double production of the vaccines?
119. Was the death of Vladimir Pasechnik investigated? He was former director of the Institute of Ultra Pure Biochemical Preparations of the Soviet bio-warfare establishment Biopreparat in November 2001?
120. How are the deaths of scientists Robert M. Schwartz, Dr. Benito Que and Set Van Nguyen explained since all occurred in the same month? Is Set van Nguyen related to the anthrax victim Mia Nguyen?
121. What about the death of Nancy Sonnenfeld (FEMA-Wife)?
122. Why was the NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife examining Anthrax in August 2000?
123. Do any employees in Trenton have the same handwriting as printed on the Anthrax envelopes?
124. Is it just a coincidence that the laboratory is also based in Trenton?
125. Did the FBI ever ask Fort Detrick to examine anthrax spores?
126. What about the list of 15-20 labs (maintained by Barbara Rosenzweig) who used Fort Detrick spores?
127. Does the CIA have spores different from those at Fort Detrick?
128. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services,
and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force?
129. Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?
130. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?
131. Did Walter Gilbert, Director Myriad Genetics ever get official permission from relatives of those killed at WTC to examine their DNA?



FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES
150. Why did General Mahmud Ahmad, former head of the ISI quit his position?
151. Why did retaliation against the Taliban begin the day he stepped down?
152. Who in the ISI paid $100.000 to Mohammad Atta?
153. Why does Ahmad think that another secret service was involved in the WTC attack?
Which Secret Service was he referring to? Did other ISI official's believe that? Did officials of the CIA believe that? Did some officials of the Mossad believe that?
154. What was the purpose of Ahmad's visit to Washington on 9/11?
155. Who told Russian Foreign Minister Ivanov to abort an air strike against Afghanistan in May 2000?
156. Did Russian intelligence notify the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions, as reported in the Russian press?


KISSINGER
1. What did Kissinger mean that an "outside threat from beyond", a "world government" and "individual rights" who are "willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted", what you mentioned in 1991 on a Bilderberg Conference?
2. What was his role at UNOCAL?
3. Is he in contact with representatives of these companies or institutions:
4. What did he discuss at the Bilderberg meeting last year in May 2001?
5. What was the purpose of his meeting with Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov in July 2001?
6. Why does he write in "Toward a New Diplomacy for the 21st Century" that America doesn't need a Foreign Policy?
7. When was the last time Henry Kissinger met US-Ambassador in Pakistan, Robert Oakley?


THE PURCHASE OF AIRLINE PUT OPTIONS
1. Is it true that the CIA is in possession of PROMIS software?
2. What is the purpose of PROMIS?
3. Did A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, CIA, own any stocks of United Airlines, American Airlines, Merrill Lynch, 4. Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re.?
5. What is his connection to Alex Brown, Deutsche Bank?
6. Did he give any insider information about to George Tenet, CIA?
7. Who was the investor who purchased 2,000 UAL put options between August and September 11, 2001?
8. Did Deutsche Bank-Alex Brown own any stocks of UA, AA, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re?
9. What about the 2,500 UA-contracts which were "split into 500 chunks each, directing each order to different U.S. exchanges around the country simultaneously." on August 10, 2001?
10. Did Deutsche purchase UAL options in August 2001?
11. Why did DB-AB purchase 4,744 put options on United Air Lines stock as opposed to only 396 call s on September 6-7? What was the purpose of doing that?
12. What is the connection to Wally Kromgaard?
13. Did Deutsche Bank or Wally Kromgaard purchase 4,516 put options on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options on September 10?
14. What was the reason of Mayo Shattuck III re-asssignment on September 15th?

THE TALIBAN AND THE CARPET OF GOLD..
1. When was the last time they met any representatives of the US-Government?
2. What was the purpose of these meetings?
3. Do the Taliban know Karl E. Inderfurth and State Department counterterrorism chief Michael Sheehan?
4. Do they know which US-Representative said in February 2001: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs"?
5. When was the last time the Taliban was in touch with this representative?
6. Did Abdul Haq, the former Mujahedin leader executed Sept 2001 by the Taliban, decide in Winter 2000 to attack the Taliban?
7. Did production of opium in Afghanistan fall from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 tonnes in 2001?

GLOBAL HAWK TECHNOLOGY
1. Was Global Hawk technology able to remotelycontrol unmanned planes in 1999 for 27 hours?
2. Did Northrop-Grumman use Global Hawk technology in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001?
3. What is the purpose of unmanned technology?
4. Is Northrup in contact with any engineers of Boeing?
5. Did Northrup install Global Hawk technology in a commercial airplane?


CARRIER AND TROOP MOVEMENTS BEFORE SEPT 11
1. Did two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast before 9/11?
2. Did 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation 'Bright Star' on 9/11? What was the purpose of both of these operations?

BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE
1. When did Tommy Franks learn that he would use Thermobarics in ToraBora?
2. Does he know if it had been tested on December 12 in Nevada?
3. Who told Franks that Bin Laden might hide in ToraBora?
4. Is the main purpose of Thermobarics to destroy buried bio and chemical stocks?
5. Was Thermobarics developed for the purpose to use one day in Iraq?
6. When was the first time Franks used Thermobarics? Was it before or after the announcement of the end of ABM Treaty on December 11?
7. When did the US decide to use B61-11, the "nuclear version" of its "conventional" BLU-113 counterpart?
8. Why has the NSA destroyed data collected on Americans or US companies since the Sept. 11 attacks?


ABORTED ATTEMPTS TO GET BIN-LADEN
1. Why did Clinton abort an attack on Bin Laden in October 1999?
2. Who was responsible for that operation?
3. Why was the operation put on hold?
4. Why did Musharraf halt a covert operation to attack Bin Laden in October 1999?
5. Why did the GOP in Congress stop almost every move Clinton made against terrorism? They refused to believe reports and pass necessary legislation. In 1996 Clinton proposed a very extensive anti-terrorism regulation.

RICHARD REID
1. Who hired Richard Reid to threaten a passenger plane in Paris?
2. Who did he send an email to in Pakistan?
3. Has he ever been in touch with the ISI or CIA?
4. Did he know the difference between an explosive and a detonator?
5. How many ounces did he have in his shoes?
6. What size are his shoes?
7. Who build or prepared his shoes?

JOHN WALKER LINDH
1. Has John Walker Lindh ever been in touch with the CIA?
2. Did he ever work for the CIA?
3. Who arrested him in 2001?
4. Why didn't he escape in the tumult to nearby Masar-e-Sharif?
5. Who hired his lawyer, Richard Brohanan? Who paid his lawyer?
6. Why didn't he go to Guantanamo Bay?

DICK CHENEY
1. When did Cheney stop working for Halliburton?
2. Is he still in possession of any Halliburton stock?
3. Is he still in contact with Halliburton?
4. Was Halliburton invited to an oil conference in May 2002?
5. Does Cheney know when that meeting was planned?
6. Did Cheney have influence concerning Halliburton contracts with the Pentagon?
7. What exactly did Cheney decide to do on September 11th?
8. Did he speak with an Air Force Commander or Lt. Gen. Charles F. Wald on that day?
9. When did he inform the president about the hijacked airplanes on September 11?
10. Who called the White House on September 11 at 9:30 PM about a possible threat?
11. Why was no air security at the White House or the Pentagon at 9:30 PM?
12. When and who gave the approval to evacuate the White House at 9:45 PM?
13. What was the purpose of a meeting with Indian opposition leader Sonia Gandhi in June 2001 about a multimillion-dollar debt owed to Enron from a major energy project in Indian Power Plants?
14. When was the last time Cheney spoke with anyone from ENRON?

COLIN POWELL
1. What was the role of Colin Powell?
2. Who decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?
3. Did he know that production of opium in Afghanistan fell from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 in 2001?
4. What was the purpose of his decision to treat the Taliban prisoners as War Prisoners? Is this decision in any way related to media reports 2 days earlier that Powell may have been involved in negotiations with Indian Power Plants?
5. What was the purpose of his short trip to Latin America on September 11?
6. Who decided that he fly to Latin America on that day?
7. Why would someone threaten him in Afghanistan on January 17, 2002 as Newsweek reported?
8. What was the purpose of Powell meeting with India's foreign minister on April 6, 2001?
9. Did Enron or Cheney ask Powell to help collect a $64 million debt on an Indian plant project?


GEORGE H.W. BUSH
1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to South Arabia on behalf of the Carlyle Group?
2. What was the purpose of that meeting?

THOMAS WHITE
1. Is Thomas White still in contact with ENRON?
2. Did his contact at anytime influence his decisions?
3. Does he still own ENRON stocks?

DELMART VREELAND
1. Did Vreeland warn Canadian Intelligence in May 2001 about possible terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon?
2. Did he place the warning in an envelope while in prison in Toronto, Canada?
3. Where did he get his information?
4. Whom did he give the envelope to?
5. Why was he placed in jail?


SAUDI-BINLADIN-GROUP.COM
1.Was the domain created on September 11th, 2000?
2. Who paid for that domain?
3. Are they also owners of Iridium Satellites?
4. When did they end contact with relatives of the Bush family?

THE CARLYLE GROUP
1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S.?
2. What was the purpose of that meeting?
3. When did he resign from Carlyle Group?
4. Is he still in touch with any of their representatives?

STEPHEN LANDER, Director MI5
1. Did Lander monitor a phone conversation between Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid in Dec. 2000?
2. What did Lander tell representatives of the CIA about Zacarias Moussaoui?
3. Why did he stop monitoring Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) in August 2001?

BIN LADEN IN DUBAI
1. Did Bin Laden in July 2001 enter an American hospital in Dubai?
2. Did he arrive on July 4, 2001 on a flight from Qetta, Pakistan to American Hospital?
3. Was he at the hospital July 4-11, 2001?
4. Did Bernard Koval, CEO of American Hospital, ever speak with Doctor Terry Callaway about that visit?
5. Why did he change his statements about this story not being true and that he "asked around"?
6. What is the difference between Continuous Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis and Continuous Cycling Peritoneal Dialysis?
7. Did Koval know Larry Stevens?
8. Can Koval explain why Richard Labeviere, author of "Terror Dollars" (about illegal Al-Quaeda accounts), wrote the story about Osama Bin Laden's kidney operation?

GEORGE W. BUSH
1. What exactly happened on September 11 and at what time was President Bush informed?
2. Why was President Bush scheduled to visit a school in Florida?
3. Who scheduled the time of the visit?
4. When exactly did Bush learn about the first crash into the WTC?
5. How could he have seen that on TV?
6. Why didn't he interrupt his school meeting as soon as he learned of the first plane crash?
7. Did Bush ever wonder how Bin Laden was able to hear the first plane crash live on the radio?
8. Which radio station he was listening to?
9. Can Bush explain how Bin Laden's Home Video was found only two weeks after it was produced?
10. Why did Bush decide to release Bin Laden's Home Video?
11. What is the purpose of the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHISC) in Fort Benning, Georgia, where terrorists have been trained for undercover agents in South America?
Bush stated "if any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers themselves". So what does he think about Fort Benning?
12. What is the role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in the National Security Council ?
13. What is the current role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in Afghanistan?
14. When was Bush's last contact with anyone from ENRON?
15. Why was China admitted to the WTO on September 13 after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts?
16. Why did Bush postpone the release of Ronald Reagan's records?
17. How does Bush feel about the need to investigate the CIA's mistakes?
18. Does Bush agree with senators John McCain, Joseph I. Lieberman, Porter J. Goss, former C.I.A. clandestine case officer and a Florida Republican, Richard C. Shelby and Ron Paul, US Congressman, who want an investigation and have said "Secret government is winning out over open government"?
19. Did he know before he left his hotel that morning on the way to the school that the 1st tower had been hit?ABC news reported that morning that he was asked by reporters if he was aware of events in NYC and he answered yes. If so, why did he later say he first heard of it was when he was at the school?

20. Why did Bush continue to sit in that classroom reading to children when he should have been conferring with his advisors?
21. Why did Bush say that he and Card initially thought it was an accident involving a small plane?
22. Given all the information sources available to the POTUS and his staff how could his people not have known the kind of plane involved?
23. Why didn't they know at this point, as did the FAA and NORAD, that aircraft were hijacked?
The Batallion Chief in the 9/11 video was seen and heard asking for military backup immediately after the building was hit.
24.How come the NYFD knew it was terrorism right away but the POTUS and his aides just calmly went about their business?

TONY BLAIR
1. Were 25,000 British troops and the largest British Armada since the Falkland Islands War, part of Operation 'Essential Harvest' pre-positioned in Oman, the closest point on the Arabian Peninsula to Pakistan before September 11, 2001?
2. When did he begin to place SIS-Special Forces in Afghanistan? Why?

THE SUN-SENTINEL
1. Did Gloria Irish own unit 1504 at the Delray Racquet Club, 755 Dotterel?
2. Did she rent that property to Hamza Alghamdi in August 2001?
3. Why did the media not report about a connection of the Sun-Sentinel and the hijackers?
4. Why did it first appear that the hijackers had something to do with the anthrax attacks?
5. Why has this connection or coincidence never appeared in the media again?
6. What was the connection between husband Michael Irish (SunSentinel) and Bob Stevens (who died from Anthrax)?


WARNINGS
1. When did Vladimir Putin warn the CIA about a possible terrorist attack and what was their reaction?
2. What was the purpose of the meeting between Christina Rocca, director of Asian affairs at the State Department and the Taliban ambassador Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef in Islamabad in August 2001?
3. Why did she oversee the delivery of Stinger missiles in the 80s to Afghan mujaheddin?
4. Did Walid Arkeh in Seminole County jail inform the FBI in August 2001 about an attack on America? What was the reaction of the FBI?
5. Why did Dr. Jeffrey Starr, U.S. department of defense, visit Tajikistan in Jan 2001?
6. When did Jean-Claude Cousseran, Director DGSE , French Secret Service inform the CIA about terrorist attacks on America? What was their reaction?
7. What does he know about the monitoring of Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) and Kamel Daoudi? Did he ever inform the CIA about that? And when?
8. When did Italian Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini inform the CIA about a possible attack on the American president "with the use of an airplane"? What was their reaction?
9. When did President Mubarak, Egypt, inform the CIA about a possible attack on America with an "airplane stuffed with explosives"? What was their reaction?
10. When did Efraim Halevy , Director of Mossad since 1998 (unconfirmed) inform the CIA about a possible attack with "200 terrorists" on America? What was their reaction?
11. Is it true he warned Ariel Sharon not to travel to New York on September 11 to speak at a festival?
12. Did a caller to Loxley Banks, Director Radio Cayman Islands talk show, give several warnings of an imminent attack on the U.S on Sept. 3 -10?
13. The London Times reported that someone from the FAA warned Salman Rushdie not to travel to the United States on September 3rd? If this is true, who was it?
14. Did the FBI investigate the two men who met Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in Manhattan on September 8, 2001?
15. Who does Abdullah Abdullah (Northern Alliance) believe killed Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud on September 9, 2001?
16. When and why did he decide to attack Kabul on September 11 at 5:30 PM?
17. When did he decide to invade Masar-i-Scharif
18. Did the CIA helped him provoke a tumult?
19. Did he ever meet John Walker Lindh?
20. Why was Major John Kenny, Commander Wright Patterson Air Base, Dayton placedon high alert on September 10? Did he inform companies in Dayton to shutdown their offices?
21. Why was Colonel William M. Dietrick , Commander Defense Language Institute in Garrison, Monterey on high alert on September 10?
22. Why did one of Kenneth (Ken) Weinbrecht (President SAMS ) executives say on September 10, that he was a 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'"
23. Did Jean-Louis Bruguiere, French anti-terrorism, inform the CIA on September 10 about a possible terrorist attack? If so, what was their reaction?
24. Why did Atta and hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari checke into a Portland, Maine motel (unidentified) on September 10?
25. Why was the Portland, Airport, according to eye-witnesses, in full charge of more military officials and soldiers than usual, weeks before September 11, 2001?
26. Why, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported, was Mayor Brown warned to be "cautious in your travel" the night of September 10? Who warned him?
27. Why did Alex Diamandis, Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing, receive a warning on his messenger service about a possible attack on America on September 11, 2001? At which time?
28. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction?
Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?


AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL/GLOBAL HAWK
1. Why did Kenneth Waldie, Stanley Hall, Herbert Homer and Peter Gay of Raytheon travel on Sept. 11? 2. 2. Can Global Hawk technology be used for at least 27 hours?
3. Is Global Hawk technology used in commercial airplanes?
4. Did Danielle O'Brien, air traffic controller, inform another air traffic control center about a plane traveling fast southwest of Dulles after spotting it 8:18 AM on September 11?
5. Who was informed and what happened?

THE PENNSYLVANIA CRASH
1. Why didn't Dr. James G. Roche, Secretary of the Air Force try to reach the airplanes in NYC (7 minutes time for McGuire AFB in New Jersey ) and at the Pentagon (10 minutes time)?
2. Did Roche ever try to shutdown the plane in Pennsylvania?
3. Can Roche explain why magazines of that plane were found 20 miles away from the crash?
Andrews AFB is 13 miles away. He had one hour and fifteen minutes to respond to the plane that hit the Pentagon. What happened during that time?
4. Can he explain why many ear- and eye witnesses, including workers of the road construction company New Enterprise saw or heard F-16 jets ?
5. Why did President Bush say only one week later that he tried to shutdown that plane?
6. Who gave that decision?


DEFENSE ALERTS AND MOVEMENTS
1. Why did George Bush leave Barksdale Air Force Base aboard Air Force One and flew to an Air Force base in Nebraska on 1:48 PM on September 11 and returned to Washington at 4:30 PM?
2. What exactly did Donald Rumsfeld do that day before he arrived at the Pentagon around 3:55 PM?
3. How did Rumsfeld know at 5:30 PM on September 11 that the plane in Pennsylvania could have been headed for one of three possible targets: Camp David, the White House or the U.S. Capitol building?
4. Can he explain why early media reports told us that no squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets have been at Andrews and later changed their reports that they haven't been on high alert only?
5. Why was Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, so sure on September 11 that aircraft was coming your way?
6. What did the D.C. Air National Guard in Washington do on September 11?
7. Can he explain what those 3 fighters did from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am?
8. Can he explain why Air Traffic Controllers in a Nashua Telegraph article did report an F-16 was circling Flight 93 and was in visual range at the time of crash?
9. Can he confirm a witness report that National Guard F-16's have been at Hancock field in Syracuse NY in the air early that morning before 9AM?
10. How could the hijackers know how to disable defense systems?
11. What was the official reason that fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base, NJ did not
intercept the 2nd hijacked plane in NYC? This would have been possible within 7 minutes after 8:48 AM
12. Why did none of the 459th Aircraft Squadron (Andrews AFB) fighters intercept the plane which crashed into the Pentagon? Andrews AFB is 10 miles from Washington DC.
13. Col. Ken McClellan, Air Force spokesman said on September 11, that Mohammad Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, and was seen by eye-witnesses? What was McClellan doing there? Why did he later deny the report?
14. Why did he decide not to shutdown ECHELON base Bad Aibling in Germany as planned for 2002?
15. What is the reason that none of any Air Force fighters reached the hijacked plane in time?
16. Many eye- and witnesses think that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. What is the scientific explanation why the magazine of the airplane was found many miles away?
17. Why did Jack Kelly, idefense.com, inform USA Today only 12 minutes after the first crash (8:48AM), that terror groups using Web encryption may have been responsible? And why was he so sure before the second crash at 9:03 PM?
18. Did Kelly serve with the U.S. government where he managed several significant programs for the information warfare and intelligence communities?
19. Did Joseph J. Esposito, Chief of NYPD try to contact the Pentagon at 9:06 AM on September 11? What was their reaction?
10. Why didn't General Elwood "Pete" Quesada of the FAA inform President Bush between 8:15 and 9:05 about four simultaneously hijacked planes? Who did he inform and what was their reaction?

THE WTC COLLAPSE
1. What does Nicholas Scoppetta of FDNY know about the latest reports of the WTC destruction?
2. Can he explain why many witnesses saw and heard more than two explosions in the WTC?
3. Can he explain why both Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed in that way?
4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?
5. Can he explain why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC?
6. Can he explain why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC?
7. Why did Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, Director CDC prepare, as CNN reported, emergency-response teams on September 11 at 11:16 PM?

MISCELLANEOUS
1. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction?
Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?
2. When did Tayseer Allouni , Kabul correspondent Al-Jazeera, receive his first video from Bin Laden?
Can he explain why the first video on October 7 2001, the day of the retaliation, looked like it was recorded in the morning?
3. Did Tom Simmons (former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia) decide or announce in a July 2001 meeting that an attack was planned on the Taliban in October 2001?
4. Why did Ms. Barbara Bodine, US ambassador to Yemen stop John O'Neill from investigating Al-Quaeda accounts in July 2001?
5. Did Niaz Niak, former Pakistani Foreign Secretary say in mid July 2001 that the USA planned military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban?
6. Did Hameed Gul, retired Pakistani general of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence, say that a secret service was involved in the attack on America?
7. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services,
and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force? Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?
8. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?
9. Why did Mayor Guilani sell WTC rubble to India for recycling and also China? Who made that decision?
10. What was the purpose of U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain's phone call on October 10, 2001 to the Pakistani oil minister? Why was she sure that a previously abandoned Unocal pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to the Pakistani coast for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, was back on the table in view of recent geopolitical developments?
11. What exactly was found on Z. Moussaoui's computer after 9/11, when local agents were given a Federal Intelligence Security Act (FISA) warrant, which they had requested six weeks previously?
This ties directly into the question of the administration's dealings with the Taliban, its reluctance to investigate Saudi nationals, etc.
12. Why the attack on Cynthia McKinney for asking: 1) why has there been no investigation of the 9-11 attack? and 2) did Bush/CIA/NSA know of it beforehand, and allow it to happen?
13. Why is the Bush administration so strongly against a real investigation into the events of 9-11?
14. Why did the US give 43 million dollars to Afghanistan back in May or June of 2001
15. Why did Bush toss the Hart-Rudman terror security study (developed over a 2 year period) and instead assign responsibility to Cheney and FEMA?
16. Why did Ashcroft stops flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
Why did the FBI and Justice not identify the form, origin and time of the threat?
17. Why did Bush stay in Texas for the month of August and Cheney in Wyoming?
18. Why no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane? And there's not a single credible frame of film or second of video of this? Also, why hasn't a similar flight path graphic ever been published?
19. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom a half-second after Andy Card told him, "Mr. pResident, the nation is under attack"?
20. Why did they leave him exposed to danger for two and a half minutes in the classroom and another half-hour in the school before he returned to the relative safety of Air Force One?
21. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?
22. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights tell people on the ground that the highjackers had "box cutters"?
23. Where are the flight recorders?
24. How did they find a passport that just "happens" to belong to one of the hijackers in the WTC rubble and they can't locate even ONE flight recorder?
25. Why no investigative reporting of the Pentagon scene? The photos do not show much, but then photographers were not allowed, initially, to photograph the scene, if I remember correctly.
26. Why was the series of recommendations Al Gore also put together in 1996 on airport security called by Republican congress "paranoid" and too harsh. Why did the airline industry, lobbying against it, consider it too expensive and impractical.
27. Why was the Hart-Rudman report on the potential dangers of terrorism in the homeland. The results of the research ignored by Bush?
28. Why were FISA warrants disallowed by Bush?
29. Why did the US pull the plug on Muslim websites Monday September 10, 2001?
30. Why did the Saudi bin-Laden-group have a website with a PRE-SET expiration date of Sept. 11, 2001?
31. Why were the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11?
32. Why did Cheney say that everyone in the White House started taking Cipro on September 12 when the first anthrax letter wasn't postmarked until September 18. 33. Why did Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
What would have happened had this focused and knowledgeable group been in place 9 months before 911?
34. Why was metallic debris found 8 miles from the crash site of the plane that went down in Penn? They said it went straight down and left a small hole in the ground. If they found metallic debris from the plane 8 miles away it was either shot down or a bomb exploded in the plane.
35. Why did they not let the media or any reporters take video or photos of the crash site?
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:12 PM
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1. Holy cow!
This should keep me busy for the next year. LOL

Thanks, SLAD. :)
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:58 PM
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2. I wish I had been a member back then
A lot of thinking went on. Thanks for posting this, SLaD!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:14 PM
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6. A lot of thinking went on
in GD :hi:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM
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7. Those definitely were the days!
:hi:
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:02 PM
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48. DU must have been awesome back then
I feel kind of cheated since I didn't join until May 2005. It is still a great website, but, things were not "segregated" back then. Oh well.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:27 PM
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3. Good questions, SLAD...
...I'm sure the nuisance/distraction brigade will be along shortly to resolve/answer every one of them for us.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:12 PM
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5. Of course they've had over 4 long years to think about it!
That should be enough time :shrug:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:06 PM
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4. Wow, someone should print this as a pamphlet to be handed out on street corners
It's easy to forget just how many crucial questions remain unanswered. It occurred to me the reason there are so many outstanding questions, is because the official account is a total fabrication. Being so, it lacks connections to the real events unfolding contemporaneously with 911. In other words, these questions, derived from real events surrounding 911, can't be addressed in relation to a disconnected narrative. A lie has no supporting facts, just other lies substituting as facts. The 911 commission knew addressing many of these would create more questions than answers.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:25 AM
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8. This list of questions is monumentally dumb...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 12:26 AM by SDuderstadt
and not only full of CT misunderstandings of basic facts, but presented in such a way as to make mundane situations seem sinister. Here's just a few examples:

"16. Many eye- and witnesses think that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. What is the scientific explanation why the magazine of the airplane was found many miles away?"

Because of people who aren't bright enough to realize the difference between calculating distance using something like MapQuest (like one would drive from the crash scene to where some of the debris was scattered) versus figuring it "as the crow flies". Duh.

"34. Why was metallic debris found 8 miles from the crash site of the plane that went down in Penn? They said it went straight down and left a small hole in the ground. If they found metallic debris from the plane 8 miles away it was either shot down or a bomb exploded in the plane."

Ummm, it wasn't. See above.

"4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?"

Yeah. To fuel emergency generators. Duh.

"10. How could the hijackers know how to disable defense systems?"

They didn't. What "defense systems" did they supposedly disable?

"2. What exactly did Donald Rumsfeld do that day before he arrived at the Pentagon around 3:55 PM?"

He was in the Pentagon when the plane struck. Duh.

"26. Why, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported, was Mayor Brown warned to be "cautious in your travel" the night of September 10? Who warned him?"

Even Willie Brown has debunked this rather stupid question.


"53. Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released?"

Because it wasn't a "passenger" list. It was a "victims" list. Duh.

"1. Why did Clinton abort an attack on Bin Laden in October 1999?"

Because they could not confirm it was actually bin Laden and the chances of injuring/killing innocent bystanders was too great. Duh.

"30. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?"

If there's any evidence at all that passengers were "forced to call relatives" please provide it.

"1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?"

Because the hijackers turned off the transponders. Duh.



How many stupid questions in a row can the CT community ask? Do you know how stupid this makes you look? Can't you guys do even the most basic of research and discover these claims have been roundly debunked? Have you guys embarrassed yourselves enough?























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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:07 AM
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9. "as the crow flies"... LMMFAO!
So.. magazines and metal debris jumped back up into the air and instinctively knew how tall the trees were so it could clear them, then flew through the air to where they landed?

:rofl: :rofl: rofl:

That's as stupid as what I read here where a couple OCTabots suggested that the falling debris from the towers wasn't strong enough to bring down WTC 5 and WTC 6, which sustained MUCK more damage than WTC 7, plus the fact they were TOTALLY burned out.... but the debris had momentum enough to knock down WTC 7..... what about other buildings BETWEEN 5&6 and WTC 7?

You "debunkers" still crack me the fuck up. Is there NO government answer stupid enough that you won't push it??

"Debunkers"... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


What a HOOT!

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:53 AM
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10. You know...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 08:56 AM by SDuderstadt
I continue to be amazed at how illogical the "truth movement" is, yet they believe it's everyone else who is illogical. Do yourself a favor and look up "Unskilled and Unaware of it". Take it to heart. The fact that you rejected my explanation out of hand without thinking about it, yet you think that I am the one who is employing faulty logic is the core of the problem, except you'll never see it.

As to why I am completely right about this and you are mind-numbingly wrong, the idea that debris was found far enough away from the crash site to suggest that 93 was shot down arose when debris was reported as far away as Indian Lake. Some "truther genius" calculated the distance by entering the starting and ending points into MapQuest. Think about that for a second. What is MapQuest used for? Among other things, it is used to generate DRIVING DIRECTIONS between two points. Do you honestly think the driving distance between two points would be the same as determining the distance "as the crow flies"? Unless someone DROVE the debris to its final resting place, why would anyone calculate the distance thusly? The reality is Indian Lake is NOT some 6-8 miles from the crash site as can be readily seen by the scaled map below; it's actually 1.5 miles "as the crow flies" (why you find that phrase funny is beyond me; it's a common use phrase describing aeronautical distance).



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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:32 AM
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11. I am fully aware of what the term "as the crow flies" means...
I just still find it funny that someone would use it to try to explain away METAL debris being found that far away from the crash site.

I also find it to be funny to think that judging fromthe flight path that any debris would wind up at the lake. yes, I do see the little arrow in the picture indicating wind direction, but wouldn't you conclude that the force and momentum of the crash would continue to send debris in the same direction as the flight path instead of the direction that the wind was blowing? This plane was supposedly traveling in excess of 500mph at impact, was it not?? Just how fast was the wind blowing in Shanksville that day?

There's you a lesson in logical thinking, my friend... figure out the speed of impact and the direction that debris would have been propelled in because of momentum, then compare that with the windspeed of that day.

Also, your 1.5 mile estimate is incorrect. Using the scale on your picture, which is 2" = 4000', it is right at 14,000 feet from the center of the impact point to the edge of the lake if you follow the direction of the wind indicator arrow on the picture... much closer to 3 miles....

Look again for yourself, dude... you can see it if you're honestly looking...

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:19 AM
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13. CT's aren't exactly big on critical thinking, huh....
Look at the map again, dude. Notice how the label "Indian Lake" does not appear on the body of water. Hint: it's because it refers to the area ADJACENT to the lake, as well as the lake. If someone says, "I live in Indian Lake", they don't mean they live in the water but, rather the small village known as Indian Lake. You're getting a bunch of different goofy claims confused with each other.

As far as your claim as to how debris should be scattered, why don't we leave that to people who actually know about these things, hmmm (which leaves you out)? Please find proof that "metal debris" other than tiny metal scraps were found at Indian Lake. You're assuming that tiny metal scraps can't be propelled by a crash and the wind. Do you think planes that crash DON'T scatter debris?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:56 AM
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:51 PM
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20. Well Bless Your Heart! Your link you provided soundly disputes part of your claim..
"FACT: Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. "Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion," says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater — not 6 miles — easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest — toward Indian Lake." {emphasis mine}

Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE, does this article say that debris was found only in the Indian Lake community either, does it?? It says "Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake", doesn't it? It also asserts that the LAKE is 1.5 miles from the impact site, which I have already pointed out to you is incorrect by using the scale in the photo you provided, which seems to have been provided by Popular Mechanics. If they can't even get that right, why should I put any faith into anything else they have to say?

Also, please point out where I said that "crashed planes don't scatter debris". You *can* do that also, can't you? Well... can't you???

Oh, by the way:
Please find proof that "metal debris" other than tiny metal scraps were found at Indian Lake.

Ummmm... tiny pieces of metal are STILL "metal debris", no matter how you try to spin it. But try you do. Very poorly, I might add.

You spout off a lot about critical thinking skills, yet you sure don't exercise any yourself, do you? If so, please explain how the engine piece found seems to have followed the flight path in, that's right, a FORWARD projection, yet debris was carried by wind, which according to your diagram, that was almost a cross breeze from the flight path, and according to your link, was blowing at 9 to 12 mph, wound up IN Indian Lake. I am supposed to believe that a 9 to 12 mph crosswind would carry debris at a 22.5 to 30 degree angle from a 500+ mph crash impact? Once again... please explain this theory, in detail, using YOUR OWN words, not the words of someone else.

Do you have any original thoughts of your own, SDuderstadt, or do you just let others think for you and tell you what you think and shape your opinions for you?

What you fail to see, dude, is that I am your worst nightmare come true. I am neither a "troofer" nor an "OCTabot", I'm simply a man asking, what I feel are, very simple questions. The fact that you get flustered and resort to personal attacks questioning peoples thinking skills speaks a lot about you and your agenda here, doesn't it? You see, SDuderstadt, I am untainted by the conspiracy theory sites and other sites pertaining to 9-11, as this is the ONLY site where I read anything about 9-11. I read this forum because I get bored with GD and the lounge, and I simply ask questions when I see something that doesn't look right to me.

Once again, SDuderstadt, please answer my questions, using your OWN thoughts and analysis. Are you capable of doing that, SDuderstadt? I'll be waiting for your reply...

Thanks...

Ghost



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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:20 PM
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22. Thank you.
 
Ghost in the Machine wrote:
What you fail to see, dude, is that I am your worst nightmare come true. I am neither a "troofer" nor an "OCTabot", I'm simply a man asking, what I feel are, very simple questions.

That's spoofalicious - best laugh I've had in days around here. This whole sub-thread is pretty good. Keep 'em comin'...

- Make7

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:27 PM
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23. Simple truths make simple nuance....
I like seeing both sides of the story and making up my own mind about anything. Is there something wrong with that?

From the outrageous to the mundane, it's all here in this forum, isn't it? The ignored warnings before 9-11-01, especially the Aug. 6, 2001 PDB entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack" puts me firmly in the LIHOP camp. We can argue the subtle nuances of that and whether it makes me a truther or not, but I don't buy into the "incompetence theory" that's floating around, either. They may not have known exactly *what* was going to happen... or *when*... but they knew *something* was going to happen, and did nothing to stop it, as it fit right in with their plans for their neocon/PNAC "New World Order".

I laugh at the "no planers" and "directed energy beams" crowds too, but I usually just chuckle to myself without comment, as it's not even worth the time to comment on some of those theories... is it?

I'm glad you found a good laugh out of all of this. Would you like to take a stab at a few of my questions upthread? Please, by all means, enlighten me here...

Thanks...

Ghost

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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:31 PM
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28. I'm sorry, were you being serious?
Really?

Ghost in the Machine wrote:
What you fail to see, dude, is that I am your worst nightmare come true.

How can you expect anyone to take something like that seriously?

If you actually are being serious, I'm sorry... really sorry.

- Make7
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:49 PM
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30. I'm sorry, I thought you were serious too...
I see that I was mistaken though, now that I see you cherrypick a comment and leave out the follow-up sentence to it...

Yes, I'm a nightmare to some of these "debunkers" because they can't label me as a "wacky troofer" and they can't dispute or refute my claims or answer my questions rationally, so they resort to personal attacks.

I guess *you* didn't want to try to answer my questions or try to refute what I posted either?? Back to the drawing board with you too. Your 15 seconds of relevancy have passed for now. Please feel free to try again at a later date, though... but please try to add some kind of intelligent or rational content the next time, instead of lame, empty rhetoric...

Thanks..

Ghost




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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 02:13 PM
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44. Not when I think someone is merely spoofing.
I didn't think you were serious precisely because of what you have been posting.

Ghost in the Machine wrote:
I'm sorry, I thought you were serious too... I see that I was mistaken though, now that I see you cherrypick a comment and leave out the follow-up sentence to it...

In your response to my previous post you didn't even address that comment when I included the follow-up sentence - I thought I should further narrow down what I found so amusing.

I don't really think it is relevant why you might actually think that you are someone's "worst nightmare come true." Just the fact that you would post something like that made me believe you were not being serious...

Please go back and read your first post in this thread. Can you not see why someone might think you are joking?

- Make7
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:26 PM
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:13 AM
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37. Think you've made clear one of the problems with the OCT myth . . .
QUOTE: Do you think planes that crash DON'T scatter debris?UNQUOTE

Yes . . . we all understand that ---

However, the "crash" site in PA had NO DEBRIS --- nothing, nada --

look at the tapes and hear people saying that over and over and over again ---






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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:05 AM
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52. The current colapse theory for building 7 does not require debrits
But then you probably know that and are just outright lying.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:38 AM
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12. It would be instructive to go through the list of questions
to find out what percentage are just absolute nonsense. I would wager at least 85%. Wish I had the time.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:21 AM
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14. I'd bet more like 95%...
a number of them are just putting previously debunked CT's into the form of a question and submitting them again (also known as "rebunking").
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:11 PM
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18. rebunking?
Is that like re-gifting a fruitcake from last year?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:43 PM
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19. Sort of but...
it's worse.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:49 AM
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15. What is your opinion of Will Pitt?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 12:09 PM
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17. Seems like a nice sort of fellow - nt
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:06 PM
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21. Oh, there's our old buddy Delmart Vreeland... n/t
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:35 PM
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24. I really hope that you will find the time to go through this list
So that you can back up your 85% claim. I eagerly await the results of your research.

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:06 PM
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25. Hope2006, you will be waiting a looooong time
I have no intention of wasting my time on that nonsense.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:14 PM
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26. That is what I thought.
LARED, I was hoping that you (or someone else here) would take the time to attempt to address all these questions.

I guess it isn't going to happen.

Next best is to fantasize about percentages. Go for it.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:20 PM
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27. You seem intersted
why not take a stab at seeing for yourself the percentage of valid questions.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:36 PM
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29. I understand
The amount of questioning is daunting. But, the difference between you and me is that I do not set out to disprove the questioning or to discard these questions out of hand by "guessing" a "percent of accuracy".

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. I hope you want to know what really happened.

Hope
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:24 PM
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31. I understand you're not out to "disprove the questioning"
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 10:32 PM by LARED
you just assume if someone asked a leading question that implies sinister motives surrounding 9/11 you believe it's true until there is ironclad proof to the contrary. No matter how asinine or ignorant the question might be.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:26 PM
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33. Exactly
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:45 PM
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34. Just to be clear on this
LARED

You just assume if someone asked a leading question that implies sinister motives surrounding 9/11 you believe it's true until there is ironclad proof to the contrary. No matter how asinine or ignorant the question might be.

Hope2006

Exactly

Amazing
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:42 AM
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39. LARAD
thank you for pointing out my response. I did not include the sarcasm smiley, and, I certainly see how my response could be misconstrued.

I appreciate that you pointed this out to me.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:37 AM
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40. Well thanks for clearing that up
it certainly was not apparent you being sarcastic.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 07:40 AM
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41. I know
My apologies.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:46 PM
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35. Really?
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:23 AM
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36. Wasting your time?
...You're the king of bandwidth abuse/misuse -- making multiple nuisance/distraction posts here in virtually every thread, for, by your own admission, YEARS now, for no reason other than to prevent any meaningful discussion from taking place.


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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 05:30 AM
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38. Love it
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:14 PM
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57. BS.
Even a cursory reading of the questions by anyone who has read this forum or other 9-11 discussions will show all kinds of silliness.

You could easily throw a number of questions right out and quickly classify a number of others as being unlikely to be relevant in any way.

85% may or may not be an accurate figure but the point stands that SLAD included a large number of questions that are meaningless at best.

Can you read through the list again and honestly dispute that their are a number of questions that are solved/meaningless/etc?

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:34 AM
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59. Why don't you lead the way
and show us?

Waiting very patiently....
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 09:12 AM
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42. I'm coming in a bit late here.....
But was there a reason for that exercise in digital regurgitation?

That was nothing but grabbing a random sentence from a news piece and making a question out of it.

Let's see if I can add to it:

1) Why did the International Monetary Fund lower its expectation for global economic growth on 11 Sept?

2) Why was the sky clear of clouds on Sept 11th?

3) The Pentagon south parking lot was full that morning in September. Why?

4) How many times do aircraft fly near or over the Pentagon during an average week?

5) How many seats does a single seat F-6 have?

6) What time does News At 10 come on?

7) What is the color of Grant's white horse?

A more useless waste of time I can't imagine.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 11:16 AM
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43. You just nailed it....
CT's go on and on about what they wrongly perceive to be meaningful anomalies or conflicts that simply don't mean anything. Trying to deal with their tangled thinking processes is like Tom Cruise, as Charlie Babbit, trying to explain to Dustin Hoffman, as Raymond Babbit, that "who's on first?" is not a riddle.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 02:44 AM
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45. More pathetic journalism, seemslikeadream,
You haven't learned anything in 6 years?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 01:00 PM
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47. Oh I have discovered a very important fact greyl
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:09 AM
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46. We'll answer your questions when you guys can agree on your theory.
I don't believe any two Truthers in the world have quite the same theory about 9/11. And brand-new theories appear almost every day. If there were really so much smoking-gun evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, this wouldn't be happening.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:15 AM
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49. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
Wow - this is one I hadn't thought of before.

I'd not heard the term boxcutter before 9/11. To me, they were always "utility knives."

Verrrrry interesting.

Thanks, SLaD.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:44 AM
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50. ABSOLUTELY
No one I know uses the word boxcutters, no one. I had no idea what they were talking about at first.



:hi: End Of The Road
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:33 AM
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54. I know
I hadn't heard the word "boxcutter" either until 9/11. "Utility knife" is what I used (and, still do). But, I hadn't thought about the anomaly of that word until now.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:16 AM
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55. I had.
It's a common term in some groups. I think we are looking at something that might be common terminology for one group of people and not for another.

In construction I heard utility knife. In the super market I heard box cutter (as that was their use in that environment).

I might say the term 'pop' is bazaar to me (as a New Englander) but that does not make it universally uncommon. I think people here are definitely experiencing a form of confirmation bias in this case. I see no reason to suspect anything based on the data provided.
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Bassman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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51. What an interesting thread.
I like Ghosts' debris field sub-thread I think the usual OCTers backed off that one. Debris 1.5 to 3 miles away is a bit strange, sounds like a shoot-down.

The box-cutters thing is interesting too, I never heard the term before 9/11. It was used on three flights?
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:24 AM
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53. Just a single example:
"4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?"

That is not an open question in any reasonably informed person's mind. The tank was there to provide fuel for the generators.

SLAD you seriously need to go back and cull out all the answered questions and meaningless coincidence questions and come up with a shorter list of actual open question.
You also need to check for known falsehoods in the questions. For instance regardless of wither you want to question the distance debris from the crash flew you should at least have a reasonable knowledge of the actual distance (ie. NOT 8 miles).

What you have now is a jumble of ignorant nonsense that is not worth anyones time to go through.
I encourage you to ask questions about 9-11 or any other topic. However, I believe it is reasonable to expect you after all of this time to take the effort to come up with actual meaningful questions that have not been answered 100 times before.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:28 PM
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56. Thanks for reposting this, SLaD. But you do know...
it's like casting pearls before swine (metaphorically speaking).

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:26 PM
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58. ...and two of the "alleged" hijackers were on the FBI's 24 hour watch list . . .
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 11:28 PM by defendandprotect
and booked passage ONE WAY in their own names using their credit cards . . . ??? !!!


Re Anthrax . . .

I think that was always the decision and need . . . to shut down Congress after the

2000 elections and 9/11. Too many questions coming in?


And, I don't know if you have it on that list but one of the airlines said that one

of the flights involved . . . didn't exist. Wasn't scheduled for that day.





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