Selective interviews with people clearly pushing OCT within an hour...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

...after the buildings collapsed.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA

This was theater, and the first guy in this video does sound like an infomercial actor. Who are these people?

[CGowen]

1. Dan Rather asked the right questions, I also remember him using the word dynamite (WTC 7)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nvx904dAw0o

[Flatulo]

2. That is without a doubt the stupidest fucking video I have ever seen.

You've outdone yourself, Jeff.

Also, I noted that the poster's name was Jihad4life21.

[wildbilln864]

3. Yes I imagine the WOT...

has created a lot of those who are pro jihad. But that was the plan IMO. Strategy of Tention. :hi:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

9. Belligerence in lieu of substance -- no surprise there...

...and then an attack on the poster's username -- how utterly pathetic.

[Flatulo]

16. What attack? I'm just pointing out that the poster took the username

of the most twisted, immoral value system ever devised by man. A system that places women on the same level as dogs. A system that worships death, destruction and mysticism over life, achievement and reason. A system that advocates the death of all western values of thought and rationalism and the destruction of the United States of America.

Do you think someone named Jihad4life may have an agenda of some sort?

[nebula]

4. 'mostly due to structural failure because the fire was too intense'

that guy was like a bad actor reading a script from a Rambo movie lol.

[Flatulo]

17. But all the people who felt the buildings were bombed were spot on?

[CGowen]

18. Hey, it's FOX News, they are allowed to do what they do

Kurtz: Fox News is ‘entitled’ to ‘misinform our society.’

On Wednesday, during an appearance on Glenn Beck’s CNN Headline News show, Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz said that Fox News is “entitled” to be “a cheerleader for the Bush administration” that is “misinforming our society.” Kurtz’s comments came in the context of dismissing the criticisms of MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, who routinely mocks the cable news network. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/14/kurtz-fox-news-is-entitled-to-misinform-our-society/

[Flatulo]

20. Are you arguing that Fox was pushing an agenda in the interviews

cited in the OP?

I'm not disputing that they have an agenda - they clearly are very rightward biased and Bushco cheerleaders. But they also do report straight news (well, when they take a break from Brittany Spears' crotch). But in the aftermath of 9/11, the man in the street surmising that massive structural damage followed by intense fire was responsible for felling the towers does not seem to me to be any kind of idealogical statement.

It seems like an accurate assessment of what could be discerned by witnesses on the scene.

This man was not in a court of law - he was in an impromptu interview.

[CGowen]

21. For less important things, like voting and undecided voters , they were caught with actors

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x81799

[Flatulo]

23. I'm not going to defend Fox News. However, they do have the

hottest female talking heads. Laurie Dhue is to die for. And Megan Kendall... oh my. And Julie Banderas <words fail me>.

[CGowen]

26. Fox certainly has it all

feet worship (Laurie Dhue)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3g9wlGjAEU

panty flashing (Julie Banderas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRM9Ff5fmdM



http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/foxnews_f.htm

[Flatulo]

28. Bookmarking for ... umm... later... heh heh

[SDuderstadt]

5. Jesus, this is stupid...

As I watched the events of 9/11 unfold, one of my first thoughts as to who did it WAS bin Laden and I didn't need anyone on TV to put that in my mind. Why? Remember when he attacked our embassies in Africa, killing hundreds? Why would you be even remotely surprised that he is immediately suspected?

Let me echo the words of a previous poster. This is, without a doubt, one of the fucking dumbest videos ever cited in an OP. I'm just curious. Do you spend all day cruising the Web to find the least convincing videos you can find?

[nebula]

6. Of course

within minutes, every news pundit knew it was Osama and they all knew exactly how the towers fell. Why not let the MSM write the 9/11 report? It would have been a lot quicker and easier.

[SDuderstadt]

7. Hyperbole?

Please prove that "within minutes, every news pundit knew it was Osama and they all knew exactly how the towers fell", or anything like that remotely happened. There was a lot of speculation on everyone's part, but it is absurd to claim it was unanimous or even that uniform.

As I said earlier, I suspected bin Laden within minutes and that didn't have to be suggested to me by anyone. Similarly, I was surprised and saddened when both towers collapsed but, since I am not an engineer, I didn't immediately leap to the conclusion that the structural damage and the raging fires could not have been sufficient to initiate the collapses. The evidence that has emetged since then clearly goes in that direction and certainly not to goofy "controlled demolition" theories.


I'll throw in my usual "I despise the Bush administration" adviso before the silly "truthers" conclude I MUST be a government shill.

[nebula]

8. Within minutes, if not hours

within 24 hours, the FBI conveniently found a Koran and a flight manual at the airport.

within 48 hours, the NY Times had obtained a list of the names of all 19 hijackers.

the news pundits were right all along!

[SDuderstadt]

15. So, let me make sure I really get this straight....

"within 24 hours, the FBI conveniently found a Koran and a flight manual at the airport."

"within 48 hours, the NY Times had obtained a list of the names of all 19 hijackers."

Do you honestly think the above goes in the direction of some sort of cover story? Really. So, when the police find evidence of something, it actually means the opposite. Why would you be surprised that the hijackers would leave anything behind, especially if it was accidental? Since they weren't coming back anyway, why would they care if they left something behind? As far as the flight manual, since the plane was already aloft and the most difficult parts of flying are taking off and landing, why would it surprise you that a flight manual was found? Since the hijackers' intent was to crash the planes into buildings, I'm not sure why they would need the flight manuals, especially since they were educated pilots.

I'm having trouble understanding why you think it is suspicious that the NY Times had obtained a list of all 19 hijackers. Isn't that what large news organizations do? Suss out the details of huge stories? Why is this suspicious in any way? In fact, are you positive that the NYT had it "within 48 hours", especially when the FBI did not release their list of suspected hijackers until September 14th?

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/091401hj.htm

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot. The FBI is "in on it too", right?

[CGowen]

19. FBI agents certainly made jokes about the FBI

In the hours after September 11th, FBI agents in Minneapolis shared a macabre joke. For weeks prior, they had tried to interest FBI headquarters in Washington in Zacarias Moussaoui, now known as the 20th hijacker. They had begged FBI Headquarters to give them permission to seek a search warrant of Moussaoui's computer. They were denied. In their frustration, they joked that headquarters back in Washington must be infiltrated by agents of Osama Bin Laden. Why else would their work have been thwarted?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249500,00.html


After, when Rowley talked to other FBI agents in other parts of the country, the first question was Why?—"Why would an FBI agent(s) deliberately sabotage a case?" Agent Rowley reports that jokes were made that FBI Headquarters personnel were "spies" or "moles" who were actually "working for Osama Bin Laden." (Rowley Report p. 7) Apparently no one mentioned that it could be the other way around i.e., Bin Laden working for the CIA/FBI. The notion that Bush cabinet members were urging the CIA/FBI chiefs to keep a lit on local FBI investigative actions to arrest or curtail terrorist plots was, at the time, an unthinkable thought. That after all, would not be a joke. It would be one of the most murderous, diabolical cover up committed against American citizens by an American President and cabinet.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html

[SDuderstadt]

25. I am certainly not saying that there was not incompetence...

and even politically motivated action/inaction prior to 9/11. But a careful reading of the Time article largely attributes that to FBI staff not wanting to jeopardize their careers through gaffes similar to Waco and Ruby Ridge. In a larger sense, it isn't surprising to me that the Bush administration sought so hard to prevent real investigation of 9/11 as, I believe it would not only show how incredibly inept they are, but also begin to unravel the carefully cultivated (yet still false) perception that the GOP is better at protecting national security. As a footnote, I was never so angry in my life as watching Bush parade around at Ground Zero with his bullhorn and not a week later as he addressed the nation while I was imagining I was cross-examining him and asking, "Just what the fuck was your administration doing prior to 9/11?". I also wondered out loud how different the situation would have been if the real winner of the 2000 election had been sworn in rather than the silly buffoon we've suffered with through the last 7 years.

[CGowen]

27. Don't forget Lieberman as VP, who is now running around with McCain

while McCain is calling for 100 years in Iraq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

[SDuderstadt]

29. Good point...

for the life of me, I don't understand why Gore chose Lieberman as his running mate.

[CGowen]

30. Have you seen FBI Agent Wright in Loose Change Final Cut?

It's about 5 minutes in it

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&q=loose+change+final+cut&total=312&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

Tearful FBI Agent Apologizes To Sept. 11 Families and Victims
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
May 30, 2002

Editor's note: Corrects length of investigation to four years rather than ten.

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - In a memorandum written 91 days before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, an FBI agent warned that Americans would die as a result of the bureau's failure to adequately pursue investigations of terrorists living in the country.

FBI Special Agent Robert Wright, Jr., who wrote the memo, led a four-year investigation into terrorist money laundering in the United States.

Wright began crying as he concluded his remarks at a Washington press conference Thursday.

"To the families and victims of September 11th - on behalf of John Vincent, Barry Carmody, and myself - we're sorry," Wright said before walking out of the room. Vincent and Carmody have also expressed a desire to expose information regarding alleged FBI missteps prior to Sept. 11.

...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200205/NAT20020530d.html

[Flatulo]

24. Could one be forgiven for leaping to the conclusion that buildings

that were nearly cleaved in two by jumbo jets and then ravaged for an hour or more by fire, were in fact felled by being nearly cleaved in two by jumbo jets and ravaged for an hour or more by fire?

Sorry, I don't see why one would have to perform much mental acrobatics to reach this conclusion, however premature.

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[William Seger]

10. Scraping the bottom of the bullshit barrel already?

So, everyone was so completely baffled by the collapse that the guy on the street must have been a plant? I know this is a thought that couldn't possibly penetrate your haze, Jefferson, but when I watch the collapse live, I was shocked and horrified, but I wasn't baffled about why it had happened. Once again, the "logic" here seems to be that if "truthers" were baffled, then everyone else should be, too, and that's "evidence" of an "inside job."

Maybe you need to take a break, Jefferson.

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[LARED]

13. When you're addicted to BS any

fix will make you feel better.

[Flatulo]

14. As we watched in horror at collapse on live TV, I said to my coworkers:

"We'll be bombing Afghanistan back into the 12 th century within 6 weeks".

That dude on the street, even though he did sound like a blowhard, may have actually been aware that fire weakens steel. Lots of people know this. Apparently, lots of people also DO NOT know this.

I'm no fucking genius, but even if you only use a newspaper as a laxative you would have known about the '92 WTC bombing, the foiled Millenium plot, the USS Cole and the US Embassies. I also knew that bin Laden was headquartered in Afghanistan as a guest of the Taliban, and that the commander of the Northern Alliance had been assassinated only three days prior.

Did all you CTers only discover reading AFTER 9/11?

[jberryhill]

22. It's easy...

The CIA runs a program where you can sign up to be a "person on the street" after an event like this.

You fill out your information, and then when they need a cover story in your area, the press are steered your way.

It's that way with everything you see on TV or in the paper.

If your number comes up, you get a $100 check.

Back when the so-called "hurricane" Katrina happened, they had to pay out big time in order to have a bunch of people claim to see a hurricane, when there was an accidental release of nerve gas in New Orleans.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

31. There's nothing more insufferable...

...than people who think they compose clever satire and just can't wait to prove it -- over and over and over again.

:eyes: