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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:12 PM
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British artist Ned Pamphilon calls on people to ‘think’ in latest exhibition


British artist Ned Pamphilon poses for a photograph in front of one of his paintings that depict the cultural and historical landmarks of Turkey.

As you step into Ned Pamphilon's latest exhibition, he shows you a photo of Einstein which from five meters away appears to be Marilyn Monroe.

When you are surprised with the photo published in an edition of the New Scientist magazine, he points out a canvas in one of the corners of the gallery in which the artist seeks the same effect with oil colors.

In his latest exhibition, titled "THINK! DÜŞÜN!" on show at İstanbul's Gallery Art & Life, Pamphilon showcases his work for the last time before he ends his decade-long Turkey adventure. Known as a voluntary cultural ambassador for the promotion of Turkey abroad and for developing a relationship with the Turkish public via live painting sessions and social projects, he aims to make people think about controversial questions and invites them to speak on these issues. His exhibition covers many different figures, such as Sibel Deniz Edmonds, John Pierpont Morgan and Nicola Tesla as well as the collapsed Building 7 of the World Trade Center in New York after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks -- and even UFOs. "Sibel is a Turkish-American former FBI translator who was fired simply because she was saying the official story about Sept. 11 was a lie," Pamphilon says with obvious anger while he points at the portrait, during an interview with Today’s Zaman.

"It was not organized by some guys whose leader lives in a cave in Afghanistan," he says while pointing to another painting that depicts a BBC correspondent reporting on the collapse of Building 7, although in the artist’s portrayal the building still stands intact in the background and the correspondent reports on the incident that has yet to happen.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:41 PM
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1. The Illustrated 9/11 Report
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 09:51 PM by seemslikeadream



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:03 PM
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2. In the Shadow of No Towers
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 10:29 PM by seemslikeadream




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:54 AM
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3. September 11
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:37 PM
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5. This one is particulary poignant, SLaD.
Art can say so much. It is often so much more effective than words alone.

Thank you for sharing these with us.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:28 AM
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4. Dies Irae - Day of Wrath.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:48 AM
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6. Osama to world: We're still touchy about pencil sketches, thank you very much
Last month, Danish police arrested three Muslims for plotting to kill Kurt Westergaard, a Danish cartoonist. His drawings of Mohammed helped to set off a firestorm of violence and protest throughout the Muslim world. In a display of solidarity, several Danish newspapers republished those cartoons in February. Yesterday, Osama bin Laden referenced the republication of those cartoons in a message directed at Pope Benedict:

Your publications of these drawings—part of a new crusade in which the Pope of the Vatican had a significant role—is a confirmation from you that the war continues.

We'll be the first to admit, there are a lot of things to get on the Pope's case about, but the Danish cartoons are not one of them. Meanwhile, many Westerners remain baffled about why Muslims find these scribbles so offensive. As a service to our infidel readers, today 23/6 risks its life by republishing several of the Danish cartoons, along with an explanation as to why each one is upsetting to Muslims:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/03/20/osama_to_world_were_still_touc_5292.php



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:54 AM
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7. Just what Osama said that?
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 11:12 AM by seemslikeadream





It's so warm and lovely here, would you like a





Did I mention I HATE the cold? I do have good friends in Alaska though, I believe it's still part of the U.S. so I'm sure you weren't suggesting I leave America, were you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:14 AM
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8. still touchy about pencil sketches?
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 11:16 AM by seemslikeadream
How about you greyl? Touchy about posts/pencil sketches?




Get used to it greyl, it's called FREE SPEECH
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:28 PM
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9. Fuck no, I'm not touchy about art at all.
If I had to decide which one of us was being touchy, guess who I'd pick.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:35 PM
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10. Well when you tell a person to go and freeze to death
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:36 PM by seemslikeadream
a person gets touchy
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:36 PM
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11. I didn't.
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:37 PM by greyl
I was trying to start a discussion with you about authentic freedom.
The only reason I'm still in the US is that I don't want to break my mother's heart by leaving.
I identify myself first as a human in the community of life on Earth, not as an American.
Furthermore, I certainly don't think the United States is the best country on Earth and I don't understand how any rational, thoughtful person could believe such so-called patriotic crap.

I assume you haven't seen the movie, because you've got the message of it all wrong. Plenty happens before Chris the hero dies, plus he lived and died much happier than people who muddle through a pre-ordained and unsatisfying life of school, 9 to 5 work, retirement, and death.

It was an honest question, and I didn't mind bumping your thread to ask it of you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:37 PM
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12. oh sure
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:40 PM
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13. Really, I didn't.
You jumped to a hasty conclusion then flew off the handle.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:08 PM
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14. You are really something.........
blaming me for misunderstanding your obtuse remarks. It's not like there's any history here greyl. You can't really be blaming me for thinking your carefully chosen words and film suggestion was actually sent in comardarie. Go to Alaska and freeze to death :rofl:

elucidate, it's a good thing
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:44 PM
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16. There was no blame placed. I simply described what happened.
I was gonna bring up the social commentary provided by the movie Easy Rider, but I guess I better not...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:52 PM
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17. "You jumped to a hasty conclusion then flew off the handle"
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 02:57 PM by seemslikeadream
:shrug:

Sounds kinda blamey to me, words like "jumped" "hasty" "flew" "handle"


and you being Mr. Obscurity had nothing to do with it at all huh, greyl?


I admit I might have been a tad distracted I was in the middle of posting this while trying to communicate with you


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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:10 AM
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21. Forgive yourself for fucking up, then move on better.
(is English your first language?)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:46 AM
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:11 PM
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15. Thanks for the clarification greyl
easy to misunderstand intenetion with so few words used
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 04:20 PM
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19. I didn't realize there was a movie.
I've only read the Krakauer book.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 04:16 PM
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18. I thought he starved to death.
But it's been a while since I last read the book, so I might be remembering incorrectly.

Oh well - starved, froze, I guess it's all the same in the end.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:46 PM
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35. Yeah, that was the official cause of death.
The movie doesn't really make that crystal clear.

His body was found in his sleeping bag inside the bus, weighing an estimated 67 pounds. He had been dead for more than two weeks. His official cause of death was starvation.

Biographer Jon Krakauer has suggested two factors which may have contributed to McCandless's death in August, 1992. First, he was running the risk of starvation due to his increased activity, compared with the leanness of the game he was hunting. <4> However, Krakauer insists that starvation was not, as McCandless' death certificate states, the primary cause of death. Initially, Krakauer claimed that McCandless might have ingested toxic seeds (Hedysarum alpinum). However, extensive laboratory testing proved conclusively that there was no alkaloid toxin present in McCandless' food supplies. In later editions of the book, therefore, Krakauer has speculated that a fungus Rhizoctonia leguminicola could have grown on the seeds McCandless ate. However, there remains no evidence to support Krakauer's theory, and all available forensic data suggests that McCandless simply starved to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McCandless
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 12:29 PM
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37. It's as if Osama's scriptwriters went on strike and they had to run
an old episode.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:08 AM
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20. Art or Insult?
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 12:10 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson03222008.html


The next day when I went to visit, I found all my pictures had been removed. On enquiry, I learned that police had taken exception to the Erdogan image, had taken it down and arrested Erkan Kaya, one of the organizers of the tent, charging him with 'insulting the Prime Minister', which carried a possible penalty of 3 years in jail. In order to save poor Kaya, who hadn't known I'd put up the picture, the peace group asked me to write a letter to the court claiming responsibility, which I did. In the meantime, however, thanks to the efforts of Charles Thompson of the Stuckist Art Movement, of which I am a member, the story had got into several international newspapers. The court, not liking the media attention, said that I was trying to cause trouble, and my letter was rejected. The insult charge against Erkan Kaya, however, was not dropped, and his court case was set for September.


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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:51 AM
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23. Art or Cartoon?


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:20 AM
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24. elitist?
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:23 AM by seemslikeadream




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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:57 PM
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26. You figured it out, I'm an elitist
Is that the best you can do?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:35 AM
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25. Now you are saying British artist Ned Pamphilon is not an artist?
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:45 AM by seemslikeadream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radio4pmprogramme/


Everything that exists is an energy field, a unique vibrational pattern of energy created by thought and emotion. All that exists is the same energy, but these infinite patterns create infinite forms, just as water can manifest as liquid, clouds, steam and ice. They look and feel very different, but they are still water in different forms. Some energy patterns manifest as the human body, others the human mind, still others the birds, trees, insects, water, sky and air. At the level of pure energy everything is connected to everything else. There is no us and them, only we and ultimately "I".

Ned Pamphilon: English artist in Istanbul




http://www.nedpamphilon.blogspot.com/





You really should get out more, hello it's 2008
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:59 PM
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27. No I think there is a difference between
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 03:59 PM by LARED
cartoons and art. Don't you?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:22 PM
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28. art invokes emotion
whatever the medium
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:18 PM
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29. sometimes
PM's least favourite cartoonist gets Freedom of Press Award




http://nppwemw.blogspot.com/2006_07_17_archive.html


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:21 PM
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30. Milton Caniff, known as the “Rembrandt of the Comic Strip”
http://cartoons.osu.edu/FCA2007/site/

2007 - Graphic Storytelling

Highlights of the festival have been added.

The ninth triennial Festival of Cartoon Art was focused on the art of graphic storytelling. The year 2007 marks the centennial of the birth of master storyteller Milton Caniff, whose papers and art formed the founding collection of the Cartoon Research Library. The conference began with a celebration of Caniff's life and legacy. Leading contemporary cartoonists then explored the craft of storytelling in newspapers, comic books, and graphic novels throughout the two-day festival.

Caniff is especially noted for his accurate background research and excellent writing; for his innovative use of graphic techniques in his comic strips; for his unusual public service, especially to the United States Air Force; and for his professional leadership in founding the National Cartoonists Society and the Newspaper Comics Council (later named the Newspaper Features Council).

Milton Caniff, known as the “Rembrandt of the Comic Strip” for his work on Terry and the Pirates, Male Call, and Steve Canyon, is one of the most honored cartoonists in history, with awards ranging from two Cartoonist of the Year “Reuben” awards from his peers in the National Cartoonists Society, to the Exceptional Service Award of the United States Air Force. A May 19, 1947 Newsweek cover story about Caniff estimated that the daily readership of Steve Canyon was thirty million people worldwide.

Terry and the Pirates provided the vehicle for Caniff’s maturation both as an artist and as a storyteller. Caniff set the strip in exotic China where historic events then occurring in the region during the 1930s provided the raw material from which he blended fantasy and reality to create an extraordinary graphic narrative. His stories gripped millions of readers worldwide, as evidenced by the fact that he received more than 10,000 letters from readers between 1934 and 1945. Caniff’s sense of design and composition are legendary. Few, if any, cartoonists have so heavily influenced their successors as Milton Caniff. Terry and the Pirates had more imitators than any other comic strip in history.

The 2007 Festival of Cartoon Art was held at The Columbus
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:06 PM
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31. That Lai Choi San was hot
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:35 PM
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32. .........
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 08:45 PM by seemslikeadream



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:06 PM
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33. ...........
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:11 PM by seemslikeadream


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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:44 PM
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34. Caniff ain't got nothing on Will Eisner (R.I.P.) n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 06:44 PM
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36. POLITICS & ART

POLITICS & ART

There are two basic schools of thought about art's relationship with politics. One--"art for art's sake"--sees art purely as an abstract, hermetic expression of the human imagination, with no connection to political or social reality, and to ask art to reflect society is to debase it.

The other school advocates political engagement on the part of the artist. This party of engagés, as they are known by the French, believes that art, like all human culture, is an unconscious expression of a society's unspoken values and that the artists have a responsibility to use their talents to reform society


http://www.diesirae911.com/911.html




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:17 PM
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38. ..........
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:07 PM
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39. What a dramatic picture
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 02:11 PM by Hope2006
It does about say it all, SLaD. If I were the one who had composed the pic, though, I would have made Bush's eyes blank. The red indicates to me that he has had intent (albeit, evil intent). What I think is that he has no idea that what he has done is evil. It is more of a class issue -- he has absolutely no idea that he is not the privileged SO* that he thinks he is. That, in reality, his birthright is no less, and, certainly no more, than the rest of the human race.

In many respects, I see the war on the US, the ME, and, directly or indirectly, the world, as a class war.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 02:36 PM
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40. I can't say I disagree with ya' dare Hope(n/t)
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